Amph Agents of SHIELD Discussion Thread (and Slingshot)

Haha, whoops -- I reversed actor and character! They're both Agent-names, I mean Nick Blood and Lance Hunter? C'mon!

 

Bobbi has been off on a romantic getaway with Nick Fury for the last year or so. That's why we haven't seen the guy for years.

 

for May. for FitzSimmons. for Quake. for

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Tess and Grill and Cutthroat Victim; I was at the feeling that AOS ... in Spaaaace! might be winding up quicker than supposed.

 

I think we only have two more episodes in this pod. But...

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Kassius and Sinara aren't dead. Jemma was using a butter knife, and Fitz was using an Icer. The psychic Inhuman though is also on the dead list along with Tess and Grill.

HOWEVER, we may now have a stable timeloop -- if that Inhuman kid gets brought back with them and HE is the cause of the Earth going kablooey, since he's got a stack Earth together power, can't control it, and immediately goes to destroying things...

 

Ooh, neat speculation!!

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Per Wiki, the Inhumans precog character was "Ari Dalbert as Bronaja: A young Inhuman who has visions of the future" so no relation to AOS' precog Ben unless he changed his name to a similar sounding one and avoided aging for decades ... *trails off muttering to self*

 

Oh my god, they're dead aren't they?

 

high body count in this episode, I approve. Slight quibble, Fitz is disguised as a "Marauder" (apparently random non-Dark Elf goons in Thor the Dark World) but I'm wondering why they didn't disguise Fitz as a Ravager instead? Maybe because since AoS in Spaaccceee is set in the future and they don't know if the film side of the MCU will kill off the Ravagers at some point. But it's the future and really likely an alternate timeline (cuz the Earth is still going to be there in the end) so just say Fitz is disguised as a Ravager instead, c'mon now.

 

That surprising news to me as pretty much everything else I've been reading has been to the contrary. But, I guess it will depend on how inexpensive Season 6 will be. I mean, this season has been pretty budget friendly as there isn't a Ghost Rider type of character that requires a heavy amount of CGI and it's been pretty much confined to one set piece of the space station.

I read a headline in my social media feed saying that an element from Agents of SHIELD season one and from Agent Carter may play a big role in this season and that's...

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dark matter or whatever it was. I didn't click on the headline to avoid anymore potential spoiler.

 

Yeah, Agents of SHIELD definitely spend some money on their show, unlike Inhumans which pretty much had all the characters (at least the "heroes") in regular human clothes by the third or fourth episode.

As for that potential spoiler element, it would help tie things together and tie things up. Speaking of which, was the ultimate nullilfier in season one? I thought Coulson might have picked it up. That piece of hardware means so much more with Disney getting the Fantastic Four.

 

Yah I'm surprised ABC would keep it around too but maybe they're actually happy with it's Friday Night Death Slot numbers, comparatively speaking to what usually happens there. Or, y'know, there's always the Mickey Wants Marvel

 

Okay, here's my feeling about what caused everything to go boom.

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The Kree were planning to destroy the Earth and had sent an agent to set it up. That agent is General Hale, which is why she killed Evans and Lucas. I could be wrong about hee, but I think that's about right giving her willingness to kill two soldiers. Anyway, the Gravitonium was going to be weaponized to destroy the Earth and Daisy attempted to stop it, but failed and the Kree blame her as a way of demoralizing humanity's survivors. Notice that in "The Last Day", no one in the team blames Daisy for what happened and Yo Yo talks about fighting the Kree.

 

In the Fitz flashback episode, was it established how Fitz knew where the space station was in 2017 cuz he said he hid a stock of weapons there but I don't know how he knew about it and how the weapons / space station got there.

 

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It's taking patience to follow this pod. I'm coping, but this villain with the same name from another fandom is what springs to mind whenever "Destroyer of Worlds" is spoken.

 

Watching the last episode was like watching an episode of LOST, as I was like "WHAT? WHEN? WHERE? WHO?" I felt there was a different timeline.



But May has the answer. She better have the answer.

 

The show has done a good job in making hate Kasias. I can't wait for that dude to get his death.

As this season went on, I'm definitely feeling it's in its own pocket universe as there's no signs/references of the Avengers or another super hero. Which is fine, but also kind of a bummer that the show never really connected with the MCU proper like everyone hoped or expected.

However, it was nice to see the cast on the red carpet for the Black Panther premiere.

As for the blood technology bit, I didn't remember that being part of the show.

 

As strong as this season has been dramatically I confess to having big fundamental doubts regarding the time travel situation.

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You can do a universe where everything is predestined or you can do a universe where you can change things but you kind of have to pick one. If traveling through time altered events then the future the agents arrived in should have been one in which they all vanished in 2017 and were never seen again--full stop. On top of that, if they can change the past and prevent the Earth from being destroyed then the future we've been living in should have vanished as soon as they left, which the Tess/Flint coda (great though it was) contradicts.

But obviously, they are going to prevent it one way or another--and I have trouble envisioning a way to satisfyingly explain that divergence from the rules they've been operating under thus far. I do appreciate that they've been using FitzSimmons to dramatize this exact debate, but according to everything we've seen, Fitz is right--and if predestination is the rule right up until the moment they magically change something that strikes me as cheating. The only satisfying alternative I can think of is to explicitly invoke the many-worlds interpretation and explain that they've actually created an alternate universe, while the Deke/Tess/Flint future still exists out there with Daisy having failed, Yo-Yo becoming a prisoner, etc. This week's coda makes that a slightly more pleasant thought, but still, yeesh.

Aside from all that, I'll also echo the thought that doing a story of this scale without even mentioning the Avengers is a little awkward.

 

Eh, yes and no. Generically, I agree with you -- you either have a mutable time stream or an immutable time stream, and you have to pick one or it falls apart (one of the reasons Looper fails so miserably).

I think even with the Marvel multiverse it may theoretically work that way (i.e. Earth-616 vs. Earth-999999). But there's nothing to suggest it can't be both a mutable time stream and a multiversal transport. So, for instance, let's assume that the monolith transports them to the future, they learn about the past, go back and try and change it, and get stuck in a time-loop... there's nothing to suggest it's not like "Cause and Effect" (Star Trek: The Next Generation) where you change something minutely each time and you still get the same outcome: Earth destroyed, Daisy blamed, submit to Kree, etc.

However, there's also nothing to rule out that each time they're not being put into a different (Prime, alternate, etc.) future by the monolith -- such that the fundamentals remain the same (and Elena can still give relevant information to Kasius), but that Flint and Tess don't wink out of existence even if the SHIELD team succeeds. This may also be how:

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Coulson may not die, thus averting Elena's warning. Also, theoretically Ghost Rider's deal may come into play there...