ST Rate The Last Jedi

They also wouldn't be very good.

 

That too.

 

and ANH I have to add (set piece). When Finn enters the Raddus' escape pod bay, there are the same wall divider elements as those in the Tantive IV service corridor and the same hatch elements. The escape pod appears to be in a horizontal position.

How could you possibly know, I'd first would like to see fan-fiction films before casting a verdict. IIRC, Mr. Johnson called himself a fan, so what he delivered was technically (correct) a fan-fiction movie.

 

302 different posters gave it between a 4 and a 5 out of 5 score. That's way more poll activity than we normally get. A lot of those people probably shared their enthusiastic reviews and left sadly.

 

@Darkslayer those icons in your sig... Do you honestly rate ROTS above TESB?

 

I've seen enough of the writing of know they wouldn't be very good, unless they hired a professional.

 

I wouldn't have it in my sig if I didn't believe it.

 

These kind of comments to me show a lack of understanding of the intention of the director more than they point to any “flaws” in the movie. I can tolerate most Star Wars criticisms as things with which I disagree but “get it,” like maybe someone saying they don’t like Luke dying. Ok, fair enough.

But criticisms of AOTCs love scene dialogue fall into the “you missed the point” bin where as a writer-director myself I feel frustrated just reading it. The criticism goes something like, “That dialogue is horrible, you have to admit it’s really bad! It’s like cringe-worthy!” The words being said are bad, they make you cringe, the WRITING is thus excellent. That was the whole point. Anakin wouldn’t know how to talk to ladies at all. I certainly didn’t when I was younger. You’re guessing intention on top of that and guessing wrong, which is what makes me cringe. “People laugh at the sand line!” And..? That’s good! You’re supposed to laugh! That’s the point! Anakin sucks at romance, he tries hard, he just never knows the right things to say and stumbles through it like a typical first timer. What would actually be terrible writing is what many fans seem to want to see, which is Shakespearean love language from both characters that would be wildly out of place. The WORDS could be great, but the dialogue would be awful because it doesn’t fit the characters or the scenes. It’s almost like fans want to hold the writers up to a sense of realism and believability only when it’s cool or convenient, because they’ll sit here and nitpick the tiniest things like whether Holdo could really ram the Raddus into the Supremacy, but they actively want love scene lines to be unrealistic just because “that would sound better.”

Who told you how to write? Where did you learn how to script anything? They misinformed you. Great dialogue fits the character and is something THEY would say, not the best thing anyone could conceivably say.

If someone’s criticism is simply “I didn’t find the love story believable, why would she fall for him?!” THAT is something I can respect, because you’re simply saying nothing in the movie made you buy that result. I don’t agree because in my experience people fall in love with the weirdest people and for the strangest reasons, so maybe I’m more lenient in what I accept could happen. But criticizing a writer for writing the proper dialogue for the character, well, that’s just asinine to me.

 

I'd be wary of the "it's supposed to be bad" defense. It wasn't strong in 2002, and it's not strong now. That the characters themselves don't recognise how bad it is undermines the argument too. Anakin doesn't stop himself mid-sentence, wince, get flustered or act like someone would do in that situation either. Padme doesn't seem to react to it as it being a bad pick up line either. At most, it's lip service to the premise of a first timer. Especially since it's inconsistent with the rest of their relationship and dialogue.

But you're right in that it's a merely a symptom of a larger issue - that the romance story doesn't work and that we can't buy how she falls in love with him.

 

With the stream of pathetic "Rian didn't give a crap about what came before" comments I don't really blame them.

 

As the positive reviewers can share their excitement and satisfaction with the film, so can those who were disappointed with the films. And, by the way, @themoth, there were a lot of disappointed fans who have also left this forum (and I don't blame them for many obvious reasons). I'm assuming we still live in a society were we can have varying opinions without being persecuted for them.

Although this film, in my opinion, has some good moments, I felt it was marred by a lot of moments that were disjointed, and shock value for the sake of shock, jokes for the sake of jokes. I'm all for some great punch lines and story. But yes, there should be some continuity with what was left before. It is, after all, a saga.

I think Rian should stick to stand alones, frankly.

 

Totally agree. Given the nonsense the “haters” have had to deal with I know for a fact plenty of these posters have long since moved on.

 

Yes, I think the point here is that the "backlash" or rather "the large number of people who simply didn't like the film" are real. There's no "plot" or "conspiracy" here. The only one guilty of that are TPTB that want to ignore and undermine it.

That said, I think a lot of posters' frustration lies in that fact that there seems to a be a group of people who simply don't want to have healthy discourse between opposing views which is wrong and, to be frank, really scary.

I would love to share some of the scenes I liked and were moved by, but that should also leave room for those scenes that were less than quality storytelling. And I don't need to be a producer, filmmaker or writer to understand what is quality and what isn't. I've been a movie goer for decades and possess the intelligence to decipher what is good and what isn't.

 

“These escape pods look like other escape pods! Rip off!”

These forums just reached a new low.

 

That's not what I said, I merely added to another poster's observation, that set pieces had been copied. In the particular case a Corellian corridor design was used for a Mon Calamari vessel, not very original.

 

Phrase it how you want, you’re still essentially complaining that escape pods look like escape pod.

Also, the MC85s were a collaboration between Corellia and Mon Cala.

 

very good post I cannot like enough.

 

Better than what we've gotten so far.

Wish Kathleen would have hired a professional

 

You know for a fact they would be better? And KK did hire a professional. RJ by the very definition is a professional writer.

 

OK, first off, you've completely got me wrong and this entire rebuttal unnecessary, and the very vitriol and reaction that you claim is coming from somewhere else is coming from you here.

I've come here in peace. I'm being honest and you are completely misinterpreting or deliberately spinning it another way. In fact, you being terribly inappropriate and overstepping YOUR bounds. I did not name anyone nor speak to someone in particular. I"m talking about this entire fandom: posters, mods and audience.

I wrote that so people could maybe have an open, honest discussion.

I will not continue this conversation nor justify anymore with a response.

If you don't like the fact I'm being honest and would like to have a healthy discussion, that's not my problem.

However, do not slay me, as I've mentioned as a lot of people do, on this post.

What you've done inadvertently is prove my point.

I've got nothing more to say.

 

She did hire a professional.

In fact, the professional she hired was given brilliant 91% RT and Metascore 85 ratings by critics

Audiences gave it a Cinemascore "A", which is the only score that could not be impacted by online trolling. IMDB has it at 7.5, which is also a great result, considering the amount of 0/10 scores it received on the first weekend.

 

You once again aren’t listening or choose not too. It’s your own fault. I’ll take myself to another thread.