PT Did the Jedi look for Sidious before Geonosis?

That's all my point has ever been. Right up to when Obi-wan saves his own ass, Maul had won. Whatever else doesn't matter there.

 

Maul defeated Obiwan, but was arrogant in not finishing the job. That's insanely obvious.

 

I didn't know destroying lightsabers was the main goal of dueling...

They weren't overwhelmed by numbers. If you've watched the film then you're fully aware that Yoda was attacked by only 2 troops and Obi-Wan was attacked by a rocket.

You're right. Last Sunday the Patriots had won right up until the Eagles saved their own asses too.

 

There’s no leaving aside anything. Obi-Wan defeated Maul. He won the fight & the battle. As Rocky would say “It ain’t over till it’s over”. Maul landed a telling blow by knocking Obi-Wan down into that shaft, but the fight wasn’t finished. This was a fight to the death. Last man standing. Maul lost. Same with Anakin in RotS. He showed more skill during the fight but Obi-Wan defeated him in the final act of the fight. Keeping a cool head is a skill in itself. That’s how Obi-Wan was the victor on both occasions.

 

I was talking about in front of the Temple.

 

They weren't at the temple when Order 66 occurred. They were on Kashyyk and Utapau respectively.

 

Yes, but I was also referring to the Temple confrontation. But in the majority of the attacks during Order 66, it was surprise. Obi-wan survives because the rocket didn't hit him squarely and Yoda survived because he sensed all the surprised reactions and deaths at once, which warned him.

 

But they weren't at the Temple during Order 66. You originally said:

So what does now pointing out non-Order 66 attacks have to do with the conversation?

 

The point is that sheer numbers doesn't constitute automatic victory. Two Jedi could take out a dozen Clonetroopers. But during Order 66, the other Jedi were killed because of the element of surprise. Not sheer numbers. That's why most of the deaths depicted are those who were caught unaware. Ki-Adi is the only one depicted as being killed by sheer numbers.

 

He is also the only one that dies, who actually fights back. At least in the film.

 

Who said it does? (STRAWMAN ARGUMENT)

Many were killed by sheer numbers. Including most of the Jedi in the Temple, who KNEW the assault was there as soon as Anakin killed the first Jedi.

So we have a case study right here that disproves your theory.

So the Jedi should have sent more support for Qui-Gon and numbers may have helped him survive and them capture Maul without casualties.

 

And as I said, numbers don't mean much. Ask the Jedi Posse who had four Jedi and were beaten by a Sith Lord.

 

Except when the Jedi say they don't have enough Jedi to do one thing then think it wrong to send more than two Jedi for another thing. Numbers matter as and when the Jedi say so.

Numbers played a big role on Geonosis.

 

Yeah, there is some strange ill-logic going around here.
1) Numbers don't always win battles, therefore numbers NEVER wins battles and thus the Jedi need not send more than two Jedi to fight an army and a sith lord.
Not following this at all.
As you said, numbers played a huge part in the Jedi getting decimated like they did.
Had they faced 20 battle droids, I doubt they would have lost.

2) The guy that wound up in pieces at the bottom of a shaft won the fight.
You can win battles in more than one way, outfighting or out-thinking your opponent.
Or you get lucky and the opponent suddenly decides to hold a massive Idiot Ball.

Bye for now.
Old Stoneface

 

I never said that numbers don't win battles. I said it is not always a given that numbers equal victory.

 

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Jedi seek him everywhere
Is he in heaven or is he in hell?
That demned elusive Sith Lord-el

 

That's a strawman argument. Absolutely no one here has stated that "numbers equal victory." You don't have an intelligent rebuttal for the well known fact that numbers provide a strategical advantage that any smart combatant utilizes, including the Jedi when they care enough about the outcome; so your only option is to make up a shadow argument to make your point sound sensible.

I repeat, absolutely no one here has stated that "numbers equal victory." In fact I went through an analogy of seatbelts in a desperate attempt to help you understand the concept of preparation and insurance.

 

And as I pointed out, the Jedi were confident that two of their own could deal with Maul. Just as it was pointed out that sending only two Jedi to confront Dooku a final time was sufficient. So, you cannot have it both ways.

 

They didn't sent "two Jedi to confront Dooku" they sent two Jedi as part of a military operation to rescue the Chancellor in the midst of a planetary invasion. More mental gymnastics to protect your crumbling narrative.

 

Not mental gymnastics. Two Jedi, not five or ten Jedi. Two Jedi and a squadron of Clonetrooper pilots.

 

I was just wondering about this too. At the end of TPM, Mace and Yoda clearly acknowledged that another Sith was somewhere else in the galaxy (aka right in front of them at Qui-Gon's funeral). The fact that he's hiding in plain sight speaks to Palpatine's cunning, and the complacency of the Jedi.

 

In a military operation to save the Chancellor in the midst of a planetary invasion. Btw for all we know they did send more Jedi and Obi-Wan/Anakin got there first. In comparison Qui-Gon was going to a conflict during galactic peacetime where plenty of Jedi could have been spared.

 

Now who's making things up?

 

What conflict?

It was a nothing trade dispute where negotiations were going to be short as the Trade Federation are cowards.