ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

Wow where does this come from??? Hahahaha omg If this is real woooow cannot believe Daisy Ridley said that ! What a disappointment!!!

 

Let’s hope JJ Abrams follows through with this if these are actually Daisy’s thoughts; I thought she already expressed not wanting any romance for Rey? I guess this furthers that sediment. Good for her, and her character, which should be a symbol of hope and empowerment. Rey doesn’t need anyone to help define her, she can do so all on her own.

 

I'm sorry, I really don't understand.

You don't have feelings I listed? Like at all?

If you deal with them differently, that means you're healthy person. "Action-taker" isn't a feeling, it's a part of personality. Kylo is an action-taker too, but he can't process his feelings healthy and can't control some of them and that makes his actions irrational. When you describe yourself as rational person, who can find an effective way to transform strong feelings in creating something positive\useful.

Part of the message, yes.

LOL you don't know? Daisy once just casually debunked one of the biggest plot points for the next episode and as usual called a character "scum." At press-junket which was for a few media-channels but only one website heard this exclusive piece and got Driver's interview. too.

 

Rian was speaking metaphorically not literally. People who relate to Leia probably aren't princesses leading rebellions in real life, just as people who relate to Kylo aren't necessarily dark lords who gain power through evil acts.

 

@11-4D I think it's been discussed about three times now.

 

It’s been rehashed several times. I recommend going back to the reply form the poster (forget her name) from the native speaking individual that really casts a lot of doubt in the reliability of that specific statement.

 

We're about to see how bad can he get. "See" as in a movie, totally comfort in our sits.
But so far, it is disturbing your lack of faith.
And it is disturbing that in the real world this is what leads into war, the lack of willing to save people, and I'm not talking about innocent people, but people who actually needs to be saved and healed. Of course, in the end, its always gonna be their decision, which again, in this case, we're about to see... We haven't the whole picture yet.

 

Actually maybe it's been discussed about five times as I forgot it was discussed in the sequel trilogy subforum before it was discussed in this thread.

 

You've grossly misinterpreted the patricide. It's not about whether you'd do it or not. And you don't understand the circumstances behind why he was ordered to do it in the first place.

It's not the literal actions that are relatable, but the emotions of wanting to find belonging, feeling like a failure, rejected and lonely, feeling like you can never live up or down to the expectations of your family/others and feeling like too much of a monster to ever be forgiven for your mistakes that you regret. The whole ST's story has been about learning from your mistakes, that failure is the greatest teacher and passing on what you have learned.

Ben Solo didn't hate his father. He literally says it in the film. Snoke specifically ordered him to kill his father because he was a sentimental weakness! He thought he could rid himself of his weaknesses by killing what he still loves (his parents and Rey--they were never who he was angry at) and tethered him to the Light, but it only hastened the opposite. He was saying he's a monster like Rey called him because he believes he's now irredeemable because of the guilt he does feel for what he's done. He believes he's a monster because of the conscience he does have. She was taken aback precisely because it was the opposite of what she believed when she made the accusation. The very fact that he is so torn up inside over the fact that everyone and himself perceives him to be this is what actually makes him NOT a monster. The fact that he feels he deserves no forgiveness, but desperately needs it, is exactly why he should receive it. Forgiveness isn't given because it's deserved, but because it's needed. I've explained this before.

We see him berated and electrocuted for his failure to rid himself of his sentimentality and being torn up inside over his father who now remains with him more than ever. He's literally told he has too much of his father in him by Snoke. Rather than make him stronger and more sure of himself in his evil, the act caused him to pull away from the Darkness he was trying to prove and fail Snoke's test of loyalty. His compassion and feelings for Rey were another weakness Snoke saw. He was incapable of firing on his mother. It's the same reason Snoke then ordered him to kill Rey, but he couldn't do it and turned on Snoke.

But he can't forgive himself or let go of his anger at Luke enough yet to believe he has a place in the Light. He understands that Snoke was an abuser, but he thinks he's also too far gone. He has internalized what Luke and Snoke both believed about him: that he's too Dark for the Light and too Light for the Dark. Rey made the mistake of only offering the Light and wanting him to come to a side who hates and rejects him, while he offered himself in the Dark, regardless of how he wants to change it into something new; neither were a middle ground. He's the one who thinks he's too much of a monster to ever be more than the boy who killed his own father and can't forgive himself for it.

 

And that’s okay because at the center of the dispute is the simple question which defines the parameters of any such future interactions between Rey and Kylo and this thread specifically. Thus is relevant especially since it could give insight into one of the principles wishes in the matter.

 

I've said my opinion several times.

 

Hallelujah!!! My faith in humanity is now restored! Thank you very much

 

Thanks for posting. That is exactly how i saw the movie as well so I glad i read it correctly.

 

It's more like being cold enough to ignore the details and generalize a whole person. Which I'm trying so hard to not do with you...
Btw how is it that you're fan of Anakin? Just curious...

Ok, so, you have a man who has killed his father and then couldn't kill his mother, an important flaw for someone who intends to be bad, and enough for me to believe it's not too late for him.

 

I love how Adam magically was part of that interview while never setting foot in China for that press junket.

 

I just said in a previous post how Star Wars is a giant metaphor and here everyone is, taking things in a fantasy space opera literally. Of course its not people who want to kill their fathers who relate to Kylo. Have you never been angry? Selfish? Entitled? Afraid? Or are you just afraid of those feelings and reject them because they are improper and you fear them and fear rejection by society?
I refuse to believe anyone's gone through their entire life doing everything right, being loved by everyone and never setting a toe out of place and expect the same of everybody else around them...

 

I never meant to psychoanalyze anyone here, I apologize if I came across that way.
And at the end of the day, Kylo Ren is not a real person, the writers can choose to do whatever they want with him and even make it believable, so he has no agency in that sense.

But negative feelings are the hardest to handle, and I have a lot of sympathy for people who are unable to process those emotions properly.

 

Wow THAT is what I was looking for...
And that is what we all are waiting for.
Your previous posts made me believe that even if he could still be redeemed you wouldn't accept it... I'm glad to see this.
And I apologize.

 

Even when I want these two together I agree with that. They need time to figure a lot of things out... Its all part of a process but I hope they'll find a way to make it work!

 

How are they going to figure out Kylo being evil, one who unlike Vader, has loved ones begging him to not do what he does, and then proceeds to literally kill his father, attempt to kill his mother and attempts to kill his uncle? This is beyond the billions he helped slaughter of course. That is what makes Kylo not tragic, but just... well evil. He is making this choice while given another option. Even when called by the light, he refuses it. I remember awhile back JJ talking about how this trilogy we would see the inverse of Vader. Instead of seeing a villain broken down and brought back to the light and instead watch one created over it. And well, that feels like exactly what we have got so far. Because given all the power in the galaxy, the only thing Kylo can think about is to murder his mother, his uncle, and Rey.

Oh, and there is Rey not being attracted to Kylo, and this guy named Finn.

 

LOL, you know it was discussed because weren't you part of that discussion?!

Yes, here they are! What I found most interesting was the site "is not a news outlet. They started a longtime ago doing movie critics and P2P pirated movie download, then transfer to movie critic, selling movie tickets and movie related merchandise."
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-100#post-54837446
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-103#post-54838942
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-100#post-54837365
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-101#post-54838767
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-101#post-54838744
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-102#post-54838820
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-99#post-54837231
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey-kylo-ren-in-episode-ix.50047262/page-102#post-54838909