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Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Darth Chiznuk , Jan 4, 2018.

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unlimitedpower Jedi Master

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We shouldn't let the minutiae details distract us from the story especially in SW but personally I have my limits...

I strive to be positive but somehow Rebels's last few episodes bugged me more than I anticipated even though I said I'm moving on several posts ago.

unlimitedpower, Mar 7, 2018

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Darth Chiznuk said: ↑

The Rebellion can't just call up the space whales whenever they're in a pickle. I mean they might come but unless you have Ezra or someone else with a similar connection to animals then they're just as likely to destroy your fleet as they are the enemies. Ezra has a Force bond with animals that has been developed all the way through the series so he was likely directing their assault. Something a normal rebel wouldn't be able to do.
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You don't need a fleet. Heck, you might not even need a ship. Just set up a beacon at the enemy's location. And Mart in the Ghost is the one who's directing them not Ezra at least not until the very end with Thrawn and the hyperspace jump. I don't buy that Ezra's directing them all the way from space, through the blockade, and finally to the surface the entire time. That's way too OP.

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unlimitedpower, Mar 7, 2018

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Ok.

Darth Chiznuk , Mar 7, 2018

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oncafar Force Ghost

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I'm assuming the space whales are creatures deeply attuned to the Force like the Lothal wolves? This could add some complexity into their behavior maybe making it not so clear cut what they will always do?

oncafar, Mar 7, 2018

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Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films Staff Member Manager

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I feel like if you call them there's really no telling what they'll do. They may destroy a fleet or just fly around aimlessly or never come at all. They're animals afterall. Ezra's connection with them is what wins the day.

You can't just throw Ezra's strong connection with animals out of the equation. They were building it up throughout the entire series and it has a big payoff in the end. That's clearly what the writers were intending.

Darth Chiznuk , Mar 7, 2018

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unlimitedpower Jedi Master

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Like I said Ezra directing a herd that massive the entire time is too much for me to buy even with his strong connection to animals. I could buy it if someone like Yoda did it but not Ezra. What I can buy is that the Ghost lured them to the surface (something similar happen in S1 in the episode where the Grand Inq was first introduced and Ezra hasn't discovered his connection back then) through the blockade and only then could he exert some control. Ezra exerting control all the way to space is too much for me.

But yeah, I am probably overthinking already. It's just that either way it goes it bothers me the wrong way. But whatever, I need to get over Rebels already. The more I think of Rebels the more salty I got. A shame since I used to like it more in the beginning.

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I loved Rebels and the directions it's taken the new canon. I think this opens up so many new possibilities for the franchise going forward.

superstardestroyer-1, Mar 7, 2018

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Like I said in another thread, the Universe got expanded, so I am for one am extremely happy. High chance we are going to explore the Unknown Regions, and to me that location as well as Wild Space is so ripe with possibilities.

Jedi Master Scorpio , Mar 7, 2018

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http://www.starwars.com/news/jon-favreau-to-executive-produce-write-live-action-star-wars-series

Jon Favreau to Executive Produce and Write Live-Action Star Wars Series
The director of Iron Man and The Jungle Book will helm the series for Disney’s new direct-to-consumer platform.

Lucasfilm is excited to announce that Emmy-nominated producer and actor Jon Favreau has signed on to executive produce and write a live-action Star Wars series for Disney’s new direct-to-consumer platform. Favreau is no stranger to the Star Wars galaxy having played roles in both the Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series and in the upcoming Solo: A Star Wars Story.

“I couldn’t be more excited about Jon coming on board to produce and write for the new direct-to-consumer platform,” says Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy. “Jon brings the perfect mix of producing and writing talent, combined with a fluency in the Star Wars universe. This series will allow Jon the chance to work with a diverse group of writers and directors and give Lucasfilm the opportunity to build a robust talent base.”

Favreau is thrilled to be returning to the Star Wars galaxy: “If you told me at 11 years old that I would be getting to tell stories in the Star Wars universe, I wouldn’t have believed you. I can’t wait to embark upon this exciting adventure.”

Disney’s collaborations with Favreau extend back a decade, when he helped launch the Marvel Cinematic Universe as director of Iron Man and Iron Man 2 and as an executive producer of the Iron Man and Avengers films for Marvel Studios. For Disney, he directed and produced the massively successful The Jungle Book, which won an Academy Award for its groundbreaking visual effects. He is currently in production on Disney’s highly anticipated reimagining of The Lion King, set for release in 2019.

The untitled Star Wars live-action series does not yet have a release date.

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Nice! For folks not familiar with the animated stuff, he voiced Pre-Vizsla in some of the best episodes that TCW has to offer.

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Ubraniff Zalkaz Jedi Grand Master

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Never mind. Someone beat me to it.

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Ubraniff Zalkaz, Mar 8, 2018

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Very good news.

Krueger, Mar 8, 2018

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Darth Chiznuk Superninja of Future Films Staff Member Manager

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I floated this idea somewhere else... give Woody Harrelson a series to explore Tobias Beckett before Solo. Like Firefly only better because it's Star Wars.

Darth Chiznuk , Mar 8, 2018

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https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...ew-luke-skywalker-han-solo-rian-a8245706.html

First off, I was wondering how much you talked to director Rian Johnson when writing? Or were you mainly working from a script? What was his input like?
Rian and I sat down at Skywalker Ranch in late July and talked for a couple of hours. We talked about the characters, their relationships, and where they were emotionally at key points in the story, and he gave me insight into how he saw new characters such as Rose and Holdo, and what he’d tried to accomplish with them on film.

We also talked about what he’d cut from the movie and why – that was a very helpful guide for me as I tried to work through deleted scenes, additional dialogue and beats that I might want to present in the novelization. It was important to learn, for instance, that one scene had been cut for running time while another one got excised because Rian wondered if a character’s emotional arc was clear enough in it.

I felt lucky to be able to have a conversation like that at all, and even luckier because Rian was the writer as well as the director. He was aware of some of the challenges I faced in this novelization and was generous about helping me brainstorm them a bit. For instance, there are storytelling elements of The Last Jedi that depend on the visual language of film, such as the Rashomon-style flashbacks to what happened between Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren, and the visual surprise of the reveal after Rey’s experience in the mirror cave – the voiceover lets us know she’s telling her story to someone, but we’re surprised to discover it’s Kylo. How to recreate the surprise of that scene in print was one of the biggest challenges in the book.

The best advice Rian gave me, though, was about tone. He talked about how he’d worked to ensure a sense of fun and adventure in the movie even when it was dealing with tragic events and weighty subjects – the way he put it was “lift, not drag.” I returned to those three words over and over while writing, and tried to leaven the novelisation with fun observations, dialogue and descriptions.

I tried not to bug him too often after our sitdown, though he very kindly made himself available if I had any questions. First he had a movie to finish, and then I figured he really, really deserved a break. But that first conversation had been so productive that I didn’t really need to bug him.

There are many scenes here that never made it into the film - were they primarily your ideas or from Rian?
It was a mix. Before my conversation with Rian I read through six or seven different versions of the script in Lucasfilm’s offices, jotting down scenes and additional dialogue that I thought would enrich and deepen the story.

I’d also drawn up a wish list of extra scenes that hadn’t appeared in any of the scripts. That list included things I wanted to see and ideas that emerged from conversations with my editors. I really wanted to start with Luke before Rey’s arrival, for example, because I saw that as a way to get into his head in a way I knew would be hard to do in the main story, where Rey was the protagonist and Luke was a mystery she was trying to solve. My editor Elizabeth Schaefer and I both agreed we wanted to see Han Solo’s funeral. And I really wanted to have a quiet moment with Rey after the fight with Kylo, a beat that would give us a sense of what she’d learned and how her relationship with the Force had changed.

Before sitting down to write I made a big spreadsheet of the movie’s scenes, including deleted ones and proposed new ones, along with notes about additional dialogue we could use and places we might want to try something different – a minor character’s point of view or a bit of well-chosen lore, for instance. That work yielded a blueprint not just for my book but also for some other projects – we agreed some deleted scenes were better reserved for my friend Michael Kogge’s junior novelisation, for instance.

That blueprint served us well, in part because it was a living document – we were almost to the printers when Michael Siglain and Jennifer Heddle of Lucasfilm Publishing asked for a scene with Leia Organa and Chewie alone in the Falcon’s cockpit, reacting to Luke’s death after their escape from Crait. I knew immediately that I really wanted to write that scene, and it’s one of my favourites in the book.

Whenever I had an idea for a new scene, though, I reminded myself that while I got to write the novelisation, the story was Rian’s. Any new material had to serve Rian’s story – changing that story or burying it in my own stuff was the opposite of what I’d been hired to do. That was a good check on authorial vanity.

How much freedom with the source material did you have? To create your own scenes etc?
Rian was incredibly generous from the start, telling me to use anything in those previous scripts that I thought might fit and trusting me with his story. And I had a big team of smart folks who helped me ensure that I was using that freedom to support the storytelling.

Was there anything you would have liked to have added that Lucasfilm did not allow?
We tried a few things that didn’t work, but it wasn’t that Lucasfilm didn’t allow them. Rather, I’d say the process worked the way I’d hoped it would.

We had placeholders in the “blueprint” for scenes featuring the pilots we saw flying with Poe Dameron in The Force Awakens, the ones who survived the raid on Starkiller Base but aren’t seen in The Last Jedi. We thought it would be fun to explore what mission they’d been given and how it was going. But as I was writing I realised that plotline couldn’t have a payoff. So I made a pre-emptive self-edit and never even wrote them.

Some stuff did get a little further. I knew readers really wanted to know what Luke had been up to since Return of the Jedi – heck, that was a question that I wanted answered myself. So I wrote eight or nine brief scenes – my editor and I called them InterLukes – offering little glimpses of Luke during his decades of trying to understand the Force and his role within it. The InterLukes were fun and explored some cool ideas, but they kept dragging us away from what was already a pretty complex story. Elizabeth wrote me an apologetic email explaining that she didn’t think they belonged in the book and I think was relieved when I instantly agreed with her. I don’t think Lucasfilm ever saw the InterLukes – we knew they didn’t work, so out they went.

Perhaps the most interesting idea we had was to present an alternate version of Rose and Finn meeting the Master Codebreaker. In the first script I read, they find him singing in a cabaret and he enlists them to join a jewel heist, but then he gets captured in ignominious fashion and Rose and Finn are carted off to jail. It’s the same record-scratch moment we get in the film, but with a longer setup.

Rian and I both thought presenting the original version would be fun, and I liked shaking up fans’ expectations for a novelization. So the scene was written that way until the very final weekend of the project. But ultimately, the whole team decided that presenting an alternate version of a major scene was shaking up expectations too much, so we retreated to what you see on-screen.

I’d love to see that alternate scene find a home somewhere, but I think it was the right decision. And I’m glad we arrived at it the way we did: pushing things, then pulling back when we decided we’d gone a bit too far. As a writer, that was so much more fun than playing it safe and essentially transcribing the movie.

Which new scenes are you most proud of?
I loved writing that opening sequence with Luke – it’s a surprise, but one I think is justified once you understand what’s happening and how it echoes the story. I loved all the additional material I got to write for Leia, who’s a character who demands an author’s A-game. It was an honor (and a big responsibility) to be able to explore her connection with the Force, her almost superhuman sense of duty, and the emotional price she pays for that duty.

But lots of little things were fun too – I had a blast writing more rat-a-tat-tat dialogue for Rose and Finn, getting into C-3PO’s rather unique droid brain, and spotlighting characters we might not normally think of as characters at all, such as Poe’s X-wing and the Falcon.

The opening scene with Luke gives an extra sadness to Luke’s character. That must have been super fun to write, dreaming up an alternative future for such a beloved character?
Oh, absolutely!

(Warning: spoilers incoming!)

That was actually an idea I’d been kicking around since the days of the “Legends” books. I wanted to write a short story about a Luke who’d never left Tatooine, but lived out his life in relative peace and complete obscurity… with the reader slowly figuring out that meant evil had triumphed even though it hadn’t touched him. I wanted it to be horrifying, but in a very quiet way.

I couldn’t figure out how to pull it off, though – until I was wrestling with how to start the novelisation with Luke. And then it hit me that my old “quiet apocalypse” story was an interesting echo of what Luke’s done on Ahch-To – withdrawing from a galaxy that desperately needs him. That dovetailed with another idea I’d been playing with, which was that the Force should almost be a character in its own right in the novelisation.

Putting those things together yielded the idea of the Force trying to evade the defenses Luke has set up against it. How would it do that? A dream was the logical answer – dreams are when our defenses are down and our minds are most vulnerable.

And, yes, it gave me a first line that I knew would absolutely not be what readers were expecting. That’s always fun too!

Many people found that the film’s version of Luke was not how they imagined him becoming when they were children. What are your opinions on how Luke turned out? Was that what you always thought was going to happen, or was Rian’s vision completely different?
I loved The Last Jedi. (And if people didn’t, that’s of course totally OK!) But I’d be the first to admit that it’s a challenging, sometimes confounding movie. Among other things, it explores learning from failure, finding self-reliance by discarding mentors, and what you do when your heroic plans go horribly awry. None of those things is what we expect to get when we sit down to see a big popcorn movie.

When I saw some of the negative reactions to the movie, I was surprised. But then I remembered that after I first read the script I’d needed some time to process it too. After some reflection I realized that while The Last Jedi feels initially like a deconstruction of heroic journeys, ultimately it’s a reaffirmation of them. Luke scoffs at Rey’s hope that he’d go out with a laser sword and face down the entire First Order, and in the end that’s exactly what he does. He refuses to train a new Jedi and ultimately does so rather effectively. The Resistance is reduced to almost nothing, but Leia says they have everything they need and that doesn’t feel empty or delusional.

It’s a story you need to sit with a while – that was true for me too. I hope that some of the more skeptical Star Wars fans have gone through the same process I did, this is the right time for them to reconsider the movie, and the novelization might be a way to wrestle with it some more.

To bring it back to Luke, one of my first thoughts after saying yes to the job was, “Oh my God, I’m going to write Luke Skywalker’s death scene.” That was … enormous. I mean, I saw A New Hope when I’d just turned eight years old. I’ve been devouring Luke Skywalker stories for four decades. And now that scene was my responsibility?

When I got to that point in the story the writing actually went pretty quickly – but only because I’d written that scene in my head 20 or 30 times already.

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Darth Chiznuk said: ↑

I floated this idea somewhere else... give Woody Harrelson a series to explore Tobias Beckett before Solo. Like Firefly only better because it's Star Wars.
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I like it. Maybe set it in a bar.

The Regular Mustache, Mar 8, 2018

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KembaSkywalker said: ↑

Nice! For folks not familiar with the animated stuff, he voiced Pre-Vizsla in some of the best episodes that TCW has to offer.
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Watch it be about Mandalorians.

Jedi Knight Fett, Mar 8, 2018

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Ancient Whills Force Ghost

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Thrawn #2 preview.

Ancient Whills, Mar 8, 2018

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MotherNature's SilverSeed Jedi Grand Master

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Darth Chiznuk said: ↑

I like Ahsoka but Vader should have been the one to kill her. It was the perfect if tragic ending to her character and cemented even further Vader's total devotion to the dark side until Luke shows up.

I suspect that she won't show up in the season finale. We'll be getting the announcement of the Ahsoka animated series soon.
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So long as she doesn't show up in Resistance.
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I pretty much despise Ahsoka.

And she's the least annoying character on Rebels.

EDIT: that's my hot take.

EDIT II: sorry, I'm still on posts from a week and a half ago.

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Ancient Whills Force Ghost

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Darth Vader #13 preview.

About a certain character mentioned in Rebels.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/that-fan-favorite-eu-character-name-dropped-on-star-war-1823592926

“Even though his radio transmission gets cut off there, I’m not trying to say that Pellaeon would be dead,” Filoni said. “I don’t think that’s it for him. I would like to see other stories with the guy.”

“I just wanted to mention the name so it gets in there, so it’s something people can use,” he said. “And sometimes that’s what I can do for things that come out of Legends. I could create just another Captain with some name there or I could put someone like Pellaeon in play. And then maybe he gets picked up in comics or novels, I don’t know. But I think that would be kind of fun to do, and it’s a way to get that idea rolling.”

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Ancient Whills, Mar 9, 2018

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Pro Scoundrel New Films Expert At Modding Casual Staff Member Manager

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Finished Rebels.
So, apparently, Star Destroyers < Space Whales. Hmmm.
So, apparently, people can survive exposure to hyperspace. Hmmm.
So, apparently, Ahsoka just chilled during the OT. Hmmm.
So, apparently, half a dozen rebels can hold off an entire base of thousands of imperials. Hmmm.
So, apparently, Kanan & Hera got over their kissing obstacle and immediately commenced hanky panky. Hmmm.

Pro Scoundrel , Mar 9, 2018

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Rebels certainly had its fair share of problems and things I disliked but after TLJ it’s like, all the complaints I had with Rebels feel suddenly too nitpicky and non-important.

La Calavera, Mar 9, 2018

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La Calavera said: ↑

Rebels certainly had its fair share of problems and things I disliked but after TLJ it’s like, all the complaints I had with Rebels feel suddenly too nitpicky and non-important.
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Too nitpicky and non-important sums up most complaining quite nicely.

Ubraniff Zalkaz, Mar 9, 2018

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Vader reimagining the fight with Obi-Wan cracks me up.

oncafar, Mar 9, 2018

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So I've been thinking a lot about the ability to manipulate situations through the force as Ezra showed us with changing Ashoka's destiny. And have really been considering the possibility of what if Snoke had or knew someone that could access that and used it to change the fate of Kylo. Leia talks about how Snoke had influence over him from the womb but we still know so little of Ben Solo's upbringing, just that Snoke was manipulating him from very early on. Just my random thoughts.

PrincessKenobi , Mar 9, 2018

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PrincessKenobi said: ↑

So I've been thinking a lot about the ability to manipulate situations through the force as Ezra showed us with changing Ashoka's destiny. And have really been considering the possibility of what if Snoke had or knew someone that could access that and used it to change the fate of Kylo. Leia talks about how Snoke had influence over him from the womb but we still know so little of Ben Solo's upbringing, just that Snoke was manipulating him from very early on. Just my random thoughts.
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I think Snoke was just exceptionally powerful and was in Ben's head the whole time, across the galaxy, tempting him to turn. I hope the Lothal temple was the only gateway to the World Between Worlds and thus the only access to space/time manipulation in Star Wars has already been destroyed. Its a can of worms.

Darth_Accipiter, Mar 9, 2018

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