Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Maybe you could get a T-65 or T-70 top-down image, adjust until the droid socket (and possibly cockpit) are exactly the same size as on this ship - and show us the two, side by side, so we can see how much bigger this ship is?

 

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Can't judge scale accurately yet, but here's shape comparisons. I can't find an overhead view of the Republic Z95, which I personally think has a more similar shape to the wings.

 

The cockpit on the new ship looks slimmer than the T-65 (which slopes outward to the left and right quite a bit, as well as having a proportionally shorter "rectangle window"), but is pretty close to the T-70.

I can find good top down images of the clone Z-95 on Google - but not ones that can be cut-and-pasted (maybe I'm doing it wrong).

One thing I notice - straight trailing edge, swept leading edge, on the wings - like an X-wing with the wings reversed.

The T-70's wings slant each way - trailing edge is "swept forward" leading edge" swept back.

The new ship has only a slight forward sweep on the wing trailing edge - but it's still noticable - so it's somewhere between Z-95 and T-70.

 

Here's a Super Star Destroyer question. The Megador started in the Imperial Remnant's hands when Pelleaon found it in the Deep Core.

But decades later, it's in the hands of the Galactic Alliance. It fights at Kuat, well before the Remnant enters the conflict. At Shedu Maad, it and the Anakin Solo are distinctly identified as Alliance Star Destroyers compared to the rest of the fleet, which belongs to the Remnant.

Do we know how the Megador got into Alliance hands? We know that the New Republic captured two SSD's from the Empire before the Bastion Accords. Was the Megador a previously unmentioned third?

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I thought that when the Galactic Alliance Defence Force was created, the Remnant's contribution to that fleet was the Megador - hence Pellaeon's choice of it as his flagship when he became Supreme Commander of the Defence Force.

 

Ever since someone (Jason?) classed the Supremacy as a "Mega Star Destroyer", I've headcanoned the Megador as the pre-reboot version of the same ship.

That would help explain why the Remnant made no real use of their biggest pointy space battleship, and generously presented the ship to the GADF after TUF - the fuel / crew / maintenance requirements are insane. You can crew over sixty ISDs, or something like 500-1,000 smaller pointy space battleships, with the same number of personnel, and assuming one visit to the barber per month per man, a ship with a crew size will perform around 3,000 haircuts an hour...

I guess the NR changed her name because naming their flagship after a song from Totally Patriotic would just be too ironic...

Missed this first time, but (while you really don't want to get me started on the real-world subject! ) I like the connection.

There's also a bit of "dazzle paint" in the funky four-tone angularity of the design, now I look closely...

If I wanted to be making obsessive comparisons to pre-reboot designs, I'd have pointed out how the go-faster stripe coming out the back of the fuselage and the compact, rectangular power units on the wings resembles the Incom 6X6 drive system from the Hapan Miy'til, with twin power cores in rectangular housings in the inboard parts of strike foils and the sublight thrusters clustered in at the rear of the cockpit...

You're right though in your more recent point that the TCW Z-95 has similarly swept-back wings - I'm pretty sure that was also part of the original conception of the E-wing, but some sources (notably the EGVV) make them symmetrical...

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I've never understood the ridiculous crew requirements of those ships. Clearly the droid technology exists to automate the drudge aspects of that. To waste crewmen on menial, unthinking tasks is pointless.

 

The Supremacy has 32 engines, the Megador only 16.

 

Megador was mentioned as being damaged in the explosion of the former Black Fleet testbed EX-F at the Battle of Anx Minor, which would explain why she wasn't in active service during the events of the Hand of Thrawn duology. She may have been captured there, or the amount of damage was beyond the Remnant's capacity to economically repair at the time. My money is on capture; even as a "member" of the Galactic Alliance it seems the Remnant fleet was a standalone force and I can't see them voluntarily giving up their most powerful warship to direct GA control.

As for what class she belonged to, good question. My two candidates for that were either a Mandator or a slightly modified Bellator. The former we haven't seen and the latter has 14 engines, so adding two more would have matched. She didn't seem to have the kind of presence on the battlefield that an Executor or Assertor would, which makes me think it would be a substantially less-powerful design. Likewise, I feel Dominion was likely an older Mandator design.

 

So do you think the 8km SSD seen in Destiny's Way in the Remnant, was the Dominion rather than the Megador - and that it was a Mandator-I or Mandator II? (probably Mandator II since all but 1 of the Mandator-I class were upgraded to Mandator-II during the Clone Wars).

 

I just noticed the end of the wings have vertical rudders which also remind me of the Toscan Fighter

 

Oh yeah, good spot. I hadn't noticed that shadow. The winglets look to be the same height as the fuselage, maybe slightly lower. This also happens to make the shape of an E!

Of coarse they could extend down under the wing too as full wing fences like the Toscan 8Q, but I think then it would need a folding mechanism to land because of the low set wing, and being right on the wingtip lasers does seem a good place to have this.

 

Problem is, the Mandator III is a lot more than 8 km long - it's 12 km long.

So, either the 8 km ship is a Mandator II/Mandator I, or it's not 8 km at all.

A case could be made that, at the time, the author intended it to be an Executor-class.

But I think The Essential Guide to Warfare and The Essential Atlas went out of their way to portray Kaine's Reaper as "The remnant's last Executor-class".

If we're going to have it not be an Executor-class, making it 8km as the novel says, is the best way to minimise inconsistency.

 

In my headcanon, the Dominion and Megador are modified Executor-class star dreadnoughts. (Though my headcanon also states that Executors are 8 km long as well).

 

I would agree that the most likely case is that the Megador was severely damaged at Anx Minor and captured by the New Republic. The damage would have had to have been very extensive as the Megador isn't seen during the Vong War at all. There is precedent for this as it took the New Republic over three to repair the Lusankya after it's capture at Thyferra.

As for the Megador's class, I'm no expert on the various types of Dreadnoughts. But in the Empire at War mod Thrawn's Revenge, the Megador and Dominion are Bellators. Quite nice looking ones as well.

I would agree that the Megador did not have the battlefield presence of an Executor. It's stated to have "five and a half times the firepower of a typical Imperial-II". Which, to be fair, is a good amount of guns. But nowhere near the incredible array of weapons that an Executor can field.

I do think that the Dominion is the SSD we see at Bastion in Destiny's Way. It's the only one we see the Remnant with post-Bastion Accords.

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Wookieepedia suggests that this is just the long-range turbolasers - and that the rest of them aren't included in the estimate:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Megador

During the Second Galactic Civil War, it was equipped with three long-range turbolaser batteries, which had a total firepower that eclipsed the total firepower of five Imperial II-class Star Destroyers.[2]

That's probably because the Mandators have never received the "fractalsponge treatment" - only the Bellator has.

 

Destiny's Way, page 136:

The Millennium Falcon had finally completed its long, dangerous crossing of enemy-dominated space to the Imperial capital of Bastion. A squadron of Imperial Star Destroyers flew escort close alongside, their long, wide hulls almost walling off the stars. Their destination wasn't the planet at all but a Super Star Destroyer that stretched a full four kilometers left and right from the docking port, and which carried a crew larger than the population of cities.

 

given that at the time they were writing, SSDs were assumed to be 8 km Executors - it makes sense that the author would be describing a docking port on the port or starboard side of the ship, roughly half-way along.

A ship 8 km wide would be Assertor-sized.

On the other had, if it was "4 km total, really 2 km to the left, 2 km to the right" - it would be noticably smaller than an Executor but noticably bigger than a Bellator.

 

A ship 8 km from port wingtip to starboard wingtip is probably an Assertor. Problem is - the impression I got from The Essential Guide to Warfare was that the Reaper was (until it was lost) "the mightiest ship in the fleet" and Assertors would displace it, and Executors compete with it.

Given the choice, I'd probably have the Dominion be broadside on at docking, and them both be Mandator-II's - maybe built after the Clone Wars (so not among the original 7 or so) but before the GCW.

That way, the importance of the Reaper (and of its loss) is maintained.

 

The Wook is unequivocally wrong in this case.

“The Throat was depicted as a white ribbon snaking down the center of the screen toward a spoked wheel labeled URORO STATION. Coming down the center of this ribbon was a collection of simple designator codes identifying the vessels in Caedus’s fleet. From what Han could see, it included the handful of Remnant Star Destroyers that had escaped destruction in the Roche system, along with a sizable support flotilla of heavy cruisers, pocket destroyers, and frigates.

But it was what lay in the heart of the fleet that made Han’s stomach sink. Floating alongside the Anakin Solo was a designator reading MEGADOR, with a question mark. Han glanced back at the red ball boiling down the Throat and began to feel queasy. The Megador was a Super-class Star Destroyer. It carried more than five times the firepower of a typical Imperial II like the Anakin Solo. And there had been rumors of a weapons upgrade that included three batteries of new long-range turbolasers. If that was after Jaina and Zekk, he didn’t know how long they could last.”



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