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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Cracian_Thumper

    Cracian_Thumper Jedi Master star 2

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    Especially given all the features on a passenger liner that a warship wouldn't need. Observation deck, ballroom, grand dining hall with a view of space? Turn it into a weapons bay like in Battlefront II. The shuffleboard court (or GFFA equivalent) is now where we keep the proton torpedoes.

    Even with pilots and soldiers embarked, a converted passenger liner probably wouldn't need all those staterooms, either.
     
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  2. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    I suppose that stands to reason. The Republic was able to refit it's diplomatic cruisers to become armed attack cruisers fairly quickly at the start of the Clone Wars.
     
  3. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Master star 3

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    Only some of the Republic's ships were retrofits. Just their Red Cruisers. The rest were warships. Compared to the Confederacy navy which mostly were warships based off of business designed ships... like the Trade Federation Battleships, Commerce Guild Destroyers, and Banking Clan Frigates.
     
  4. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Yes, but unlike the Confederacy powers, the Republic diplomatic cruisers were completely unarmed. The same cannot be said for the Lucrehulks and Munificents.

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  5. seeker_two

    seeker_two Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Now why do you want to go stirring up controversy like that?....

    Why don't we just keep it on something that should create little debate.....which Millennium Falcon is best: OT, ST, or SOLO?


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  6. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Am I the only person to see three Dornean gunships in at least one shot during the Battle of Endor?

    It's in the scene between Lando's line: "...and we might just take a few of them with us." and Grizz Frix's "She's gonna blow!", look at the background from left to right and count - I saw three last time.
     
  7. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Master star 3

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    Who do you think would win in a fight the First Order Navy or the Imperial Navy? (excluding superweapons)

    I personally think the Imperial Navy because their leadership seems so much more competent.
     
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  8. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    How much of FO leadership have we seen? Canaday, Peavee, and Hux right? I mean Canady without Hux is someone I would back any day. In terms of just tech the FO wins, not even cause their designs are improved versions, but cause of how multipurpose the Resurgent class is. We have few details on the Light Cruiser and Maxima-A, but I would assume they are a similar case. Then again the FO does not seem to have interceptors or bombers from what we have seen. They do have a more dedicated troop transport, but it is super underwelming compared to even the dang Imp gunship that was just a Coruscant police transport
     
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  9. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Master star 3

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    Canady is an example of old imperial leadership, (sorta cheating in my book XD). But as you said the old imperials are stuck behind the new generation. The old imperials don't run the First Order, the young inexperienced new generation does. I mean certainly the Resurgent and Mandators overall would win against Imperial Star Destroyers. But, I again take in account the leadership in each. The empire had many many a clever admirals and captains who could easily think of a strategy to win against superior technology. Also, I do want to say as this is also kinda cheating that the empire has the numbers in this fight.
    Finally, as much as I say the old imperials in the FO are competent they are no where near as good as all the imperial leadership at it's height. Thrawn or Sloane I feel could kick up a good strategy. And personally I think the Empire's starfighter corp seems much more varied compared to what FO starfighters we've seen so far.
     
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  10. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    One thing I've learned from many hours of playing Empire at War: Thrawn's Revenge is that numerical superiority does not always equate victory. Quite often ingenious tactics, ship positions and coordination can make a massive difference.

    To give you an example, I was playing as the New Republic in the Southern hemisphere of the Galaxy when I ran into a vast Imperial fleet at Da Soocha.

    Six ISD-II's, three VSD-II's and a Tector with a sizable support fleet. Against three MC80's and Home One and a host of assault and escort frigates and four Quasar Fire's.

    Sound fairly one-sided, doesn't it?

    Well, clever tactics and strategic positioning of ships let me take down Star Destroyer after Star Destroyer until there weren't any left. By positioning the larger ships near the edges of the theater, I deprived the Destroyers of targets, making them split up into smaller task forces to hunt down each cruiser. As they did, my swarms of starfighters ambushed them and gave each one a case of TRD.

    End result was a lone MC80 lost on my part and all ten Star Destroyers for the Imps. Just one example of how tactics overcame numerical superiority.

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  11. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But are we also talking about shorter ships like the Kuari Princess. Legends had it as a 500m winged type.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kuari_Princess
     
  12. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    http://caps.pictures/198/3-starwars6/full/star-wars6-movie-screencaps.com-12280.jpg

    Screenshot, look at background - three Dornean gunships.

    I think the original writer for the Dornean gunship article kinda shot themselves in the foot by saying only two got sent to the Alliance in Legends. Might've been an idea to give a slightly higher number just incase eagle eyes spotted more gunship models in the background :).
     
  13. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So be vague and non-committal like a politician?? "The Dornean Navy sent a handful of Gunships to the Alliance for the Battle of Endor."
     
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  14. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, there were a minimum three Dornean gunships in the Rebel Fleet at Endor. Presumably more than that, but that is the largest number we see on screen at once.

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  15. Ton_G

    Ton_G Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think I see at least five Dornean gunhsips. Four on the left, one on the right.
     
  16. Senator Wan

    Senator Wan Jedi Knight star 2

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    Has the TOR Defender corvette been made canon yet? Because if it hasn’t already, it might be now thanks to the map of Batuu on the back of the Galactic Nights trading cards. [​IMG]


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  17. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Ooohhhh. I hope it is cause I love the Defender
     
  18. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Sarcasm is so unbecoming but yes.

    And I now stand corrected - I saw four instead of three.
     
  19. Ton_G

    Ton_G Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    [​IMG]

    Maybe six?
     
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  20. Cracian_Thumper

    Cracian_Thumper Jedi Master star 2

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    While we're on the subject of both the Dornean gunship and the Defender-class corvette, I'd love to see a Ranger-class gunship (from a few of the NJO books) in the new canon. They seem like they'd fit in with the New Republic Defense Fleet's new ethos.
     
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  21. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Essential Guide to Warfare made it a Corellian Engineering Corporation design which makes me think they were successors to the DP20 frigate. Which means all the times "Corellian gunship" was used in Destiny's Way and The Unifying Force, they were referring to the Ranger-class gunship.
     
  22. FiveFireRings

    FiveFireRings Jedi Master star 4

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    So in new canon they'd be little sisters to the bunker buster? Sounds good. I'm still waiting for a canonical (onscreen, not a blob in a comic or questionable model in a game) depiction of the DP20 itself -- seemed like a natural for either REBELS or R1, but both of those doubled down on the Dornean gunship in the end.
     
  23. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    I feel like the entire post-New Class of New Republic warships were underused.

    We've got the Mediator-class battlecruiser, which is said to be superior to all the MC's that came before it. The Rejuvenator-class Star Destroyer which I headcanon as being the class of the Mon Mothma and Elegos A'Kla. The mammoth Viscount-class Star Defender and the mysterious Strident-class which I headcanon as being a normal-sized version of the Viscount-class, based on the original 3 km prototype.

    The Ranger class gunship in my mind is the workhorse of the NRDF. It can be a corvette, fleet escort, anti-starfighter cruiser.

    Let's not forget the Bothan Assault Cruiser that was the mainstay of the NRDF. After the Ar'krai, there must've been many more of those in service.

    One of the reasons I love playing as the New Republic in later Eras in Empire at War is the fact that you get to use the New Class of warships. It's fun to play with different warships every so often instead of sticking to the same tired old designs like the Empire does.

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  24. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You and me both, brother....missed opportunity for both Rebels and R1. And when it does show I wast the concept art version that has more detail.

    [​IMG]
     
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  25. Cracian_Thumper

    Cracian_Thumper Jedi Master star 2

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    If we get a NRDF task force, in almost any medium, that has any combination of Ranger-class gunships, Mediator-class battlecruisers, or Nebula-class Star Destroyers, I will be a happy, happy fan.

    (I'm already a happy fan anyway, but I'll be even more happy)
     
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