Amph "You think you're the only superhero in the world?" - The Marvel Cinematic Universe

DC will rise again. Remember the dark ages of Marvel, pre-Blade/X-Men? Remember that? REMEMBER?

*Tim Robbins duck noises*

 

I think DC tried to move too quickly into the shared universe after Man of Steel. They needed a proper Superman sequel before trying to move in the shared universe direction. They could even have explored the same theme in Batman v Superman for the sequel with Lex Luthor having a role (only excluding Doomsday, instead having a Metallo or Conduit type villain).

 

I think the MCU multi-movie strategy worked better as a marketing than narrative device.

Most of the characters as they interacted in Avengers were pretty one note: anachronistic Viking Guy, wholesome American guy, sexy secret agent, etc. Hard to argue each needed a feature length film for the audience to grasp who they were.

The story itself wasn’t that deeply related to what cane before in a sense that required previous viewings, and the enemy was an endlessly respawning video game.

DC failed because it’s films were dumb, not the decision to move into team ups early. No amount of Solo films can build up excitement for watching a villain hold a jar of urine.

 

I don’t, but that wasn’t my point. I’m saying the Avengers film didn’t really require the earlier films to tell its story.

You can start with a shared universe or build up to it. What matters in either case is telling a good story in that universe.

 

The 3rd act baddie is a respawning faceless fodder but I'd argue Loki's whole motivation for his actions in The Avengers is pretty much established in Thor. Probably the most important movie before Avengers, I'd say it's the most direct sequel to any of the first few movies.

 

Oh good, we can get back to annoying fan casting of roles Disney doesn't own the rights to yet, and even worse crossover scripts that fans think are can't miss ideas. I was worried those were gone forever.

 

But...

 

I don't really think the MCU interconnective films were a market strategy, but it certainly worked to help market their films. The MCU shared universe isn't really a brilliant idea either, but rather (to me), puzzling why it took so long for this idea made into reality. I mean, WB/DC had like a 40 year start with making a quality blockbuster super hero films with Superman: The Movie and Batman (1989). But for some reason, the powers at be never felt like it was a good idea to have Superman and Batman in the same film. Kevin Feige/MCU just had faith in the established world of Marvel comics and adapted into film.

As for Avengers: Infinity War and the heroic characters being one note as a stand alone film?... Well, yeah. Not much different from any franchise film with multiple sequels. Thus, the story revolved around Thanos and his "heroic journey."

And I agree that DC failed and the quality and story telling in their films were lacking, and thus people got fired and move out of executive positions. But, I wouldn't say their franchise is dead or in need of a reboot. They're pretty much in the same state as the X-Men franchise after X3: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Aquaman looks promising and could help right the ship for the folks over at DC.

 

Really hope that if Disney gets Fox, it won't can James Mangold's X-23 solo movie.

 

C'mon Disney, swoop in there and save our Merry Mutants from Comcast Sentinels. I don't want a Scrubs/X-Men crossover, I want Avengers/X-Men!

 

No I'd rather a Scrubs/X-Men crossover.

 

Black Widow directors list gone from almost 50 to 3 so we're getting there!

https://deadline.com/2018/06/black-...male-directors-scarlett-johansson-1202414395/

I wonder if they'll flashback origin Natasha if they recast or go the CGI de-aging route (which Marvel has done quite a lot of lately and seems to in store for a lot more with Captain Marvel). ScarJo is pretty darn ageless but they would have to take her back to Ghost World or Lost in Translation era. Which, frankly, I think she could pull off without any CGI trickery. Is she de-aged in the flashback bits in Age of Ultron?

 

Huh... my HS classmate is one of the three on the shortlist. Considering I didn't even know she was making movies that's pretty impressive... lol

(it's a family business for her, this isn't that surprising)

 

Re: bold I do not even think ScarJo is 34 yet (born in 1984) so ageless is um . Don't mind me, I am cranky about something else entirely (yes my current avatar gives it away).

Anyway, I will probably go see the film so... I do not care what they do (although they will get my butt in a seat more than once if Winter Soldier is in it)

 

To be fair, I think the Age of Ultron flashbacks establish that her graduation ceremony from the Red Room takes place at most when she's 18. So if we're getting any of that I'd figure it'd be a recast or CGI trickery.



But, on the flipside, we may not have to go back to the Red Room if only because the flashback really tells you all you need to know.

 

True. I'd prefer they show her on some missions since that AoU flashback pretty much established the training of the Red Room; now the conditioning ? That could be a possibility too (they could always use stuff from Brubaker's Winter Soldier work (both on Cap and in Bucky's series) and just apply that to Natasha.

 

Looks like Fox accepted Disney's offer

 

But you keep seeing them, giving a litany of unbelievably lame excuses as to why you're "forced" to see them and make many of us here do massive eyerolls. Nobody can force you to see or do anything you don't want to do. If your significant other, child, pal or whatever wants to see one of those movies, you could easily say "don't want to, those movies "insult my intelligence" so please respect that and can we do something else?". But no, you go regardless, you "fall asleep" and then come here to debate something you didn't see coz you were asleep.

So, you either haven't a shred of force of will and are "forced" by others to do something you don't want to do or, maybe, you just secretly like those movies and simply come here to be you and troll. So which is it? Either way, from where I sit, neither option makes you look good.


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I value the friendships with those I’ve seen these films with—one of whom is someone I’ve been interacting with since infancy, enjoys films, and otherwise is on a very different schedule than mine, for instance—far more than I do your opinion.

I will gladly accept your opinion that I’m some sort of hypocrite.

 

I cannot wait to see how that trickles down to the consumer as far as pricing. Otherwise, should be interesting.

 

You value the friendship of these people, and thus repeatedly do something you do not like. So why don't these people value you?

You're a shill, jabs.