Amph "You think you're the only superhero in the world?" - The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Actually I was kinda thinking...why don't Black Widow, Hawkeye and Falcon all have Iron Man suits? Tony not wanting to give his suit technology away to the government or general public, sure that makes sense...but there's no reason why his fellow Avengers need to be fighting on foot.

 

You're assuming that they want to use the suits. Maybe he offered and they rejected it because they like doing things their own way.

 

But...that...makes...no...aughhh.

I'm just going to go with, there is no good in-universe reason for them not to have Iron Man suits.

 

Regarding Avengers fighting Avengers, if Bucky counts as Avenger now...even if he didn't in Winter Soldier, would that still count as Avenger vs Avenger (Bucky vs Steve, Natasha, and Sam)?

 

There isn't. There are good storytelling reasons to not have essentially 3-4 variations on Iron Man constituting your cross-over team but if you over analyze it it starts to break down. It can work situationally to provide a change of presentation (such as with Bruce in the Wakanda battle) but the old adage "it takes all kinds to make a world" needs to be allowed to flourish in the end if it's a world you're wanting.

 

Because Natasha has spent DECADES learning how to turn her body into a weapon. And to use an Iron Man Suit would negate that. She would have to learn - all over again - how to fight, how to be nimble. Why don't we put our elite Marine's in super heavy indestructible armor? Because it would take away from their other strengths.

And, when are they going to practice using the suit? It's not like they just put the suit on, and bam - they can use it.

And, on top of that, if Tony isn't talking to Cap, he sure as hell ain't talking to Cap's friend, and he probably isn't talking to the lady who turned on his cause near the end of Civil War ... so ... when would they get suits?

 

Yeah, but that's like someone who's spent their whole life training to use a longbow or katana...and then all the sudden guns are invented.

Oh yeah, speaking of which, Stark should have his suits made from vibranium. And Black Panther's suit ought to be able to fly!

 

Quite a bit of it was luck. The film rights to Iron Man were locked up at New Line Cinema, after being sold to them by Fox. When NLC failed to get the project going with Nick Cassavetes in 2004 for a 2006 release, the rights went to Marvel. Joe Simon's lawsuit with Marvel over Captain America delayed the film from being made by Artisan Entertainment and once that was settled, the rights reverted back to Marvel. Thor was at Artisan and Sony until Paramount purchased the rights at the same time they got the rights for Cap. If those studios had made the films, rather than letting sit there languishing, Marvel wouldn't have had the founding members necessary to pull of Phase One. Fiege's luck was just that. Not so much a shrewd move.

They don't want them because they A) know how Tony treated his suits with Rhoades and B) they rely on their own skills rather than using Stark tech. Banner is the only one to use a suit since he's useless right now.

Why wouldn't they? There's no hard and fast rule about membership drives and how one joins up. Sam and Scott both joined up with Steve, even though they didn't call themselves Avengers. Same with Peter not formally signing on as an Avenger, but siding with Tony.

It still comes down to being a personal choice. Natasha doesn't need a suit because she doesn't want one and has proven that she doesn't need one. If she needs to fly, she finds a Quint Jet or "borrows" a plane. Sam has his wings which gives him all that he needs. Clint has proven his bow and arrows are efficient against the Chitauri, Zemo's Hydra agents and his teammates. Like Natasha, he can find alternate means to fly.

This is like asking why doesn't Hal Jordan make duplicate rings for the other members of the Justice League.

 

So this is a backwards retcon but the random goons that Hawkeye equips to help Loki in Avengers, those have to be HYDRA, right? Like when they attack the hellicarier, they're all decked out as SHIELD agents. The closest you get to an explanation is Hawkeye saying "SHIELD has a lot of enemies, doctor" So maybe Loki mind controlled a SHIELD/HYDRA sleeper and he got a bunch of other HYDRA agents on the trolley.

 

There is no reason. From a logical standpoint the team is really unevenly balanced and about half if its members have no business being there at all (Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow). Just one of the many bizarre facets of this franchise.

We could also point out that the character of the Hulk has literally nothing to do with emotional control or being angry any longer, even though that was literally the core of the character concept. These films are financially successful. That doesn't mean they're even minimally coherent as narratives, let alone "good."

 

You and I have a very different definition of "luck."

 

There was probably a 50-50 split of sleeper agents and actual loyal ones.

Why not the three of them? Cap has super strength, enhanced reflexes and incredible endurance. He's already proven that he can survive alien weaponry long before the invasion of NYC. Clint and Natasha are former SHIELD agents, who trained for situations like this. As I pointed out, Natasha proved herself. When she ran out of ammo, she commandeered a Chitauri vehicle and used its to get up to Stark tower and then used one of their weapons to fight. Clint's arrows took down several Chitauri soldiers and distracted Loki long enough for the Hulk to clean his clock.

The Hulk has also evolved as a character in the comics, with the periods when Banner controlled the Hulk directly and the Hulk persona coming out on his own accord, because he was super ticked off.

Who took a **** in your cornflakes today?

How so?

 

I look at luck as something by chance; something as likely not to happen as it is to happen.

Those studios that failed to launch an Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor films were pretty predictable. Therefore, Marvel just waited for the film rights of the characters to revert back to them, which they did. It's not really luck, but rather having inside industry knowledge. It's really not that hard to figure out if a studio is having trouble with the production, must less, creating a script for a film.

 

Some more (likely) merchandise related leaked art, this time for Captain Marvel.

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Strange seeing a Nick Fury with hair and both eyes.

 

Not interested in the bulk of the new movies mentioned. That is okay though: Have enough good MCU to revisit until something else I want to see comes out.

 

Another leaked merch image. Pretty much variations on the group image that came out several days ago, but it does have a closer shot of Nat and she's sportin' a bit of a new look for her that wasn't quite as obvious before.

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Yeah, the new promo images of the Avengers has been flooding my social media feed. Not much of spoilers for those that figured it would be that way, and it's just featuring characters' new looks. Personally, I don't have to see one image of anything from Avengers 4 as my tickets are already bought. It is truly...


As for Feige's comments on future films for the MCU like Power Pack and the Eternals, well, I didn't have interests in either in comic book form. I thought Power Pack was for toddlers and I never really was a fan of the Marvel Cosmic side of things. However, the MCU has done an amazing job of bringing comic book characters I really didn't like or read, such as Iron Man, Captain America, Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy etc. So, Power Pack might be geared towards toddlers, which is fine and would definitely expand the reach of the MCU. And should a Power Pack film ever be made, I hope it's in the same vein as old Disney classics like Bednobs and Broomsticks or Escape to Witch Mountain. And as I understand it, Eternals are like the cosmic version of the X-Men, which is a nice back up to the X-Men should the Disney deal with Fox fall through and since the Inhumans TV series crashed and burned.

But, we'll be getting sequels to Black Panther and Doctor Strange to look forward to, as well as Vol. 3 to Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

The Eternals is interesting. They've said Phase 4 will be much more cosmic focused. I've only read Gaiman's Eternals and that was very Ancient Aliens/Chariots of the Gods and was set completely on Earth. I believe Feige has made that comparison himself before when talking about the Eternals. I guess they could use that as a springboard to go more cosmic though it seems like Captain Marvel will fill that purpose itself. I'm pretty sure that Kirby's Eternals was more cosmic overall to begin with and intersects with Thanos to provide a stronger hook. Just curious as to which way they go with it at this point.


And now a little SLJ:

 

So about timelines and viewing orders of Ant Man and Mad Titans keeping the beat

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So as I can figure it out, the chronology viewing order for me is (Doc Strange can go before or after Civil War, really, that movie seems like it takes place over awhile personally I'd go with before Civil War meself) but major beats and timeline-wise Civil War > Black Panther > Homecoming > Ant Man & The Wasp > Thor Ragnarok > Infinity War

Well, yes the teasers in AM&W spoil the IW ending. Fairly bad idea! But, hey, I've already seen Infinity War and it sort of functions as a random no-context teaser and besides the stinger in Ragnarok seems to work much, much better into the start of IW.

So where does Ant Man & The Wasp take place? It's 2 years after Civil War which is where Infinity War stands, two years after CW. So they seem very close to each other. Well, obviously, the stingers are concurrent with Infinity War's ending. but, to me, I would think that the movie proper probably takes place before the events of Infinity War, maybe only a week or two but I don't see their adventure happening as New York got attacked, Iron Man went missing, etc. like there is quite a lot of news footage in Ant Man & The Wasp and nobody mentions any of that. And there's an upgrade to the technology to make it Van Sized and that isn't something I think they just did in an hour. So, yah, I would assume there's a time skip between the final scene of Ant Man and the Wasp, a few days, a week and the post-credit scenes, wherein all of Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War takes place.

This does create a bit of snafu where Black Widow says that Scott is under house arrest when his house arrest technically ends before the credits for Ant Man and the Wasp roll but, hey, they were in a hurry, they probably thought he was still under house arrest. And, it seems likely, they thought he had destroyed the Ant-Man suit, as what Hank Pym thought too.