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"Nai re seis! o Luca$ den mas eksigise giati to 351.687.167 plano tou t. E. S. B. den tairiazei me to 5.416.541 plano tou R. o. .t. J., afou sto a N. H., o haraktiras katw deksia sto kendro stin kantina sto Mos Eisly den kapnizei!"
E, s' afto tha diafwnisw! I continuity einai poly symandiki, mehri tin teleftaia leptomereia twn teleftaiwn leptomereiwn. Pes me kollimeno, alla emena me noiazei an to 351.687.167 plano tou t. E. S. B. den tairiazei me to 5.416.541 plano tou R. o. .t. J., afou sto a N. H., o haraktiras katw deksia sto kendro stin kantina sto Mos Eisly, den kapnizei!  W, nai! An kai, o karagiosis basher pou sholiases, ehei, fysika, adiko, afou katadikazei mia OLOKLIRI TAINIA gia merikes leptomereies!!!
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Ena exo na po: Meta to PoutS, den tha vlepei kaneis ton Vader san ton super-duper-uber-kewl kako-kakisto-kakistotero-kakistotato eglimatia tou Simpantos... Tha einai aplos enas malakas griniaris, pou ego tha mporousa na ton erminefso kalitera.
A re Luca$! Mas ta xalases ola KATARAMENE. Ax, kai na kserete poses nixtes eixa meinei ksagripnos kathos fantazomoun ton eafto mou sti thasi tou Vader, na sfazo olous osous me eixan adikisei. Enas giati pidaei ti gomena ton oneiron mou, enas allos giati athleitai, anas kapoios allos giati exei zoi... A VRE LUCA$ KATARAMENE!!!! POTE THA PSOFISEIS, NA MI VIAZEIS ALLO TO DIMIOURGIMA MOU?
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Endaxei re paidia hremiste.Mporei o Lucas na exei katastrepsei thn zoh sas,na exei dialisei oti einai iero kai osio,na exei tosa polla elatwmata(vlakas,hlithios,&%$*#*@,),na exei xaramisei oli toy thn vlakia hdh,na exei visei oti einai ano stin zwh,na exei katalysei olo to susthm tou kinimatogrphou me tis ilithiothtes tou , na exei dhmiourgisei to Jar Jar Binks,na exei geliopoihsei tis tainies epistimonikhs fantasias,na exei ploutisei epeidh uparhoun kapoioi pio vlakes apo afton(ligoi alla uparxoun...),na exei valei to Yoda to kalitero Jedi na pethainei me tetoio hlithio tropo,na exei geliopoisei thn maxh Vader-Obi,na exei apostomwsh me thn aiwnia apeiria kai vlakeia tous kritikous tou cinema,(mhn anisixeitai ta vasana teleionoun stis 9 tou Mai),na...na...na... alla paro ola afta pisteyw pos o Lucas einai poly endaxei etsi ? 
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alla paro ola afta pisteyw pos o Lucas einai poly endaxei etsi ?
Allo ena fan boy pou nomizei oti o Luca$ einai theos...
Akou mia filiki simvouli: Xamilose to kefali sou, girna pros ton toixo, pare fore kai pese pano tou. Isos sineltheis.
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Endaxei re paidia hremiste.Mporei o Lucas na exei katastrepsei thn zoh sas,na exei dialisei oti einai iero kai osio,na exei tosa polla elatwmata(vlakas,hlithios,&%$*#*@,),na exei xaramisei oli toy thn vlakia hdh,na exei visei oti einai ano stin zwh,na exei katalysei olo to susthm tou kinimatogrphou me tis ilithiothtes tou , na exei dhmiourgisei to Jar Jar Binks,na exei geliopoihsei tis tainies epistimonikhs fantasias,na exei ploutisei epeidh uparhoun kapoioi pio vlakes apo afton(ligoi alla uparxoun...),na exei valei to Yoda to kalitero Jedi na pethainei me tetoio hlithio tropo,na exei geliopoisei thn maxh Vader-Obi,na exei apostomwsh me thn aiwnia apeiria kai vlakeia tous kritikous tou cinema,(mhn anisixeitai ta vasana teleionoun stis 9 tou Mai),na...na...na... alla paro ola afta pisteyw pos o Lucas einai poly endaxei etsi ?
Kata ta alla einai entaxei h...se genikes grammes einai endaxei....Obi coolarise... 
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Good morning all.
Tonight I dreamed that George Lucas visited me and my girlfriend in our apartement. We gave him cookies and listened to him explain some digital stuff from the PT.
When he saw that I didn't appear to be too interested, he asked me and I said well you know, and in the dream I was a little embarassed by it all, "but i don't really like the two newest films, look I have no merchandise from the films". Then I tried to quietly explain what is wrong with them, but he began to cry haha.
Then the dream turned into me chasing a hot Danish girl, for some reason.
To pou lete, kathomouna se ena skoyeino kai mouxliasmeno domatio, monos mou kai evlepa to star wars kai exina. Exina mavro dakri otan skeftomouna ti exei kanei o Luca$ sto dimiourgima mou.. Tote eftase i Natali gimni ka mou eipe: Kane mou o,ti thes!. Tote kai ego, ti vazo kato kai arxizo:
Ako na sou po mori, den me noiazei me poious pidixtikes gia na mpeis se afto to diamanti, se afto to aristourgima pou legetai STAR WARS, all na ksereis, oti i ermineia sou kai o Luca$, aftos o sexopornodiestramenos, to viasan! Viasan kai tin paidiki mou ilikia! Meta arxisa na vlastimao ton Luca$! To ti kantilia eriksa, de legetai! Meta, pidiksa kai ti Natalie, kai edese to gliko. Meta ksipnisa kai eipa: A re Luca$, a re Luca$ ti ekanes! An ekanes tin PT kalitera, tha pidousa perissotero tin Natalie...
Meta ksanakimithika, mipos kai emfanizotan pali i Natalie, alla tipota... A RE LUCA$!
Ax, anevainoun oi times, oi misthoi menoun idioi, o planitis katastrefetai... A RE LUCA$!!!!!!!!111!!1!1!o!!1!1ne!!!11one!11@""!1
That interview is another amazing Rick McCallum piece.
It is the movie that will tie all loose ends and answer all the questions, that still remain unanswered. I think that the hardcore fans, who didn’t like Episode I and II, will be excited with Episode III. I can promise them, ROTS is the movie that they wanted to see six years ago.
- And I can tell Rick now, ROTS is not the movie I wanted to see six years ago. I can also tell him, based on the spoilers that I've read, that this is not the movie that will tie all loose ends.
Lucas:We are gonna get bruised for “Episode I”. People are not gonna love this movie. But I can’t make the movie in any other way; it has to be just like this”.
And this is exactly what happened.
- I think it's been pretty much established that there were other ways to make episode 1. It didn't have to be like that. This is especially obvious when you see how with episode 2 they start all over again, as if most of TPM didn't happen.
It's always the same. First episode 1 was the movie we had all been waiting for, then episode 2 was the movie that was really going into the star wars story, and now episode 3 is supposed to be the movie that we really all wanted to see, and that will make everything better. What are they going to say next? The star wars tv series will be the star wars we've all been waiting for?
Star Wars was always the chronicles of a family.
- Yeah, not really.
It begins with an 8-year old boy, he grows up and he’s being immature, just like Luke in “Episode IV”, until this young boy turns into a man, one that has to make a decision. A wrong decision. But in the same time, he is the Chosen One and the only person to bring balance in the Force. This amazing story lasts 12 hours. You will understand the process when you see all six movies together. Only then will you understand, why “Episode I” had to be so childish and naive.
- This chosen one stuff wasn't made up 30 years ago. Episode 1 didn't have to be childish and naive. Yes, it had to show a fairly innocent Anakin, and a different galactic situation, and it could be more lighthearted than the other prequels. But really, it didn't have to be so bad.
People liked the OT better than TPM, so let's put OT stuff in the movies. Boba Fett flying around (yeah his name was Jango, it was really Boba from the OT), an asteroid chase, cutting off a hand in a bar. People liked the Matrix. So let's invent CG Kung-Fu Yoda.
People liked those things in AOTC, so let's put more Yo-Da-man in ROTS. And let's have Sidious also jump around with a saber. Let's put more OT characters in there (for no good storytelling reason).
Yoda wielding the lightsaber is awful, IMO. Especaily since the digital animation of him and Dooku jumping at eachother through the air looks so fake. Dooku's body looks like it has no weight, it's just spiraling through the air like a bag with some garbage in it. The leader of the separatist army shouldn't have been a dark jedi because it only confuses things. What baout the rule of two? If Dooku is a dark jedi, not a Sith, then why is he Darth Tyrannus? If he is a Sith, then Sidious has broken the rule of two. When I first saw TPM, I thought the rule of two meant that the Sith trained in pairs. That there were many of them in the galaxy but they dodn't have a council and they didn't fight in groups. Now I know that the rule of two actually means that there can only be two Sith left at a time, which makes no sense to me. Anyway, Count Dooku served two purposes IMO. One, bring the actor who protrayed Saruman into the movie because everyone thought he was cool in The Fellowship of the Rings, and two, get someone for Yoda to fight which will surprise everyone and distract them from the weak story. Those are the only reasons I can think of for Dooku's existance. Anakin doesn't learn anything from him. He doesn't learn about the darkside, he doesn't discover some secret, he isn't tested. Lightsaber fights should be important for the characters, or else everything just turns into one long action sequence, we have enough of those in the films already (not that I don't like action sequences).
A re Luca$! Katantises ton uber-super-duper-kewl Yoda ena skitso Dragonball!
Anakin doesn't learn anything from him (Dooku). He doesn't learn about the darkside, he doesn't discover some secret, he isn't tested. Lightsaber fights should be important for the characters, or else everything just turns into one long action sequence, we have enough of those in the films already (not that I don't like action sequences).
- I think it was George Lucas himself who at one time said that a lightsaber fight is just two guys bashing glowing sticks together. That what made a lightsaber fight interesting was the drama. There was something going on with the characters.
Apparently by the time he made AOTC he had changed his mind...
Dooku originally was supposed to have left the jedi order because he didn't want to serve the politicians. He always wanted to be more powerful, to be the best. This was told in the library scene in AOTC - that got cut.
This would have been nice, because it would have mirrored Anakin's character. Then Dooku could have actually tempted Anakin to join him. Anakin had already used the dark side against the Tuskens. Dooku could have sensed that and said something about it.
But nothing...
Now Dooku is nothing more than Christopher Lee in a cape, and the lightsaber fight was nothing more than an excuse to chop off a hand. Then the main character got tossed aside and we got the pointless silly Yo-Da-Man stuff.
Too bad. Another wasted opportunity.
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I have another point to add about Strilo's question regarding why keep talking about something you hate: Why keep talking about something you love?
Now bear with me here. Before the 1997 SEs, I had absolutely no reason to think Star Wars was in a death spiral (remember, I dig ROTJ too). It was a given amongst literally everyone I knew that Star Wars was cool and one of the common backdrops to our lives. Ergo, it was wholly unnecessary to go on the web and talk about it. There was no controversy about the glory of Star Wars. You could say things like "I love how Vader's helmet wiggles in the wind while he talks smack to Luke in Cloud City" and you'd get a room full of head noddings. Everyone understood and agreed with what you were saying, so you didn't even have to say it. This is, in fact, why threads such as the TPM and AOTC Defense Forces wither on the vine, because there is nothing more tedious than a discussion in which there are no differing points of view. TF.N in general might want to bear that in mind, if for no better reason that its popularity increased in the late 1990s because people actually now had different views on things, and hence more things to talk about. Amazing.
Anyway, after TPM everything changed, and rightfully so. I mean, damn. And now the reason why you have "bashers" going on and on about what they perceive as the indignities and horror intentionally inflicted on Star Wars is because they think they're protecting Star Wars from dilution and inferior additions. That's right! The term "basher" is fundamentally misleading because it is applied to people who think they have the right, nay duty, to stick up for the Star Wars they know and love. Of course all Star Wars fans think they're the center of the universe, that's part of the beauty of both the culture and of an open society. I will wisely duck the issue of "ranking" fans because it leads nowhere pleasant, although of course I have my own private opinions. However the point is that you don't have to defend something unless it's under attack, and before the SEs, Star Wars was not under attack.
That the effort itself may be ultimately doomed is of no matter. Even though Lucas himself seems determined to eradicate anything that happened before 1999, the fanbase has proven surprisingly resilient and unwilling to forget the past, which makes sense because it was AWESOME. Yet despite what I consider to be "victories" in the noble struggle (near-universal hatred of Jar Jar, a common and growing perception that TPM is god awful, disdain for the focused marketing of Hyperspace, bafflement over go-nowhere AOTC), monstrosities such as the 2004 DVDs still continue to smash into the marketplace. History will decide what to do with the Frankenstein's Monster of Star Wars, but as long as people continue to go back to the original films when they need their fix, it won't have all been in vain.
"I can put Yoda in a hundred movies. ... I can put him in the next Jim Carrey movie if I want to." - George Lucas
Eidate ti eipe o Luca$?! EEE?! Giati diladi? Asxima tha otan na ekane marionetta ton Yoda? Asxima tha itan?
Asxima tha itan na ekane o,ti tou legame emeis?
Great pictures, folks. It truly is a terrifying prospect that the average "basher" might have 1) a surprisingly normal and adjusted lifestyle and 2) less than 6 chins. My god, it's like we're regular people.
And speaking of which, Amazon.com has my decidedly lukewarm (ha ha) and basheriffic Star Wars 2004 DVD review back up as its spotlight review. It currently has a helpful voting rating of 164 out of a total 201. Or in other words, about 80%. The truth shall set you free.
Pos to leei? Oi B.A.S.H.E.R.S. eferan to fos kai tin alitheia ston kosmo kai eseis protimisate to skotadi kai to psema!
I have decided to bash the existance of little Ani in TPM. Showing him as a teenager would have first off, allowed us to see a more complex and closer bond with his mother, two, allowed us to see him actually start to fall in love with someone, third, see his feelings on becoming a jedi, and see him develop a relationship with Obi Wan. The only way that his being younger could have worked was if he was about twelve, maybe even fourteen, and a really good actor was cast in the role. In TPM, Anakin is supposed to be the main character whose story is being told yet we never actually get an emotional scene from him. Anakin leaving his mother could have been made really sad for the audience, he starts to walk away, looks back, then breaks down, hugging his mother telling her he will come back for her and free her when he is old enough. When little Anakin told Padme he thought she was an angel, it was like a little kid saying to an old man- are you a wizard or something?! It wasn't- wow, I think you're really pretty, or, you're so kind you must be an angel. If that line was supposed to be the start of his love for her, I wasn't seeing it. Their relationship started to seem unreal for me at the end of TPM. Of course we all knew they would end up together, but I found it hard to believe that a nine year old would fall in love with a fourteen year old that looked after him like an older sister. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it isn't the sort of thing I would expect. If Anakin had been twelve, that would be different, then the two could have had feelings for eachother. But I highly doubt that a fourteen year old girl would fall in love with a nine year old. She is a teenager whereas he is a little boy. I know that in AOTC, they are all grown up, so things are supposed to be different. Well, then my question is, why give Anakin the crush on her in TPM in the first place when it is unbelievable? Why not have something where Anakin annoyed her like she was his older sister. Anakin pulls her braids and she tells him she hates him and she never wants to speak to him again as long as she lives. He gets grossed out when she hugs him after he returns safely from blowing up the Federation ship. Still cheesy, but a tad better than having a nine year old that I thought was six fall in love with a fourteen year old that babysits him on his way to Coruscant.
Malista. As to kanoume Oidipoda, na exei kai vathos to prama.
I have and will always have problems with people who judge films without having seen them. "Knowing the details" does not equal seeing the film.
ti les re MA/\AKA!?!?!?!?! Gia des kanena spoiler, na meineis kseros kai sou leo ego. Ego, mollis ematha oti to Ep 2 tha legotan AotC, eipa: Na pa na .....thei o Luca$, den to vlepo (pano apo 10 fores!)
What you are hearing is a fairly accurate guage of public interest in these films. Most of your average movie gowers lost interest the first week that TPM came out. My friends fall into two categories, the disenterested and the dissappointed. They either had high expectations and were brought down or were not all that interested in the first place but got caught up in the hype.
Vader protrayed as a cute little kid didn't come across very well. Even the casual viewer had certain expectations for Anikin including the ones who cannot quote Kenobi. For one, his nickname, Ani is horrendous. The referrence to the musical Annie is too much for any adult I know to stand. The child's nickname could have been Nik or Kin , either of which would sound right along with Ben, Han, or Luke. In my minds eye, I can see a young pilot introducing himself to a bearded Jedi Knight as Kin Skywalker.
The age problem has been run though the ringer thoroughly, and it is clearly where many of the PT problems start. The time frame of EPI is just too early to be of any use and compresses the time for the following two movies.
Before seeing TPM, I fully expected that Anikan's children be born by the end of EPII or beginning of EPIII.
Ego pali prin do to Ep1 den eixa kai toso treles apaitiseis.
That Vader pic ******** posted... sick
How could they be so blind?! Can't they see how off it looks? It looks like an oversize costume on the guy! Dark Helmet from Spaceballs!
He cannot fill the shoes! At least get him a new one tailored to his size.
This is sad. sad
Oute apo haute cuture den kserei o Luca$!. Ti na pei kaneis...
They could have at the very least tailored the suit to fit Hayden. He looks like a kid in a really nice Halloween costume.
Koita parapano.
I too expected the Clone Wars to be more than a brief battle. I also thought there would be a much more meaningful use of cloning technology. Instead of turning out 500 troops to be used as cannon fodder against some droids, why not replace a few key senators and officials, a wife or a trusted friend with clones? Who do you trust in that situation? That would make a great backdrop for Palpitine's rise to power. It could also make for some really plausible reasons for Anikan's turn.... confusion, doubt, anger, and the drive to bring order to the galaxy!!
And to think, I am just daydreaming during my 15 minute break at work. A real writer could knock this stuff out of the park
Eipame, o Luca$ den einai kalos writer. Ego eimai!
There are some good ideas in the PT. They're just few and far between. Actually, I could enjoy the first two films if they were tweaked in a few key ways:
1: Anakin at least a teen.
2: No idiotic droids as adversaries.
3: Maul survives the first film.
4: Dooku appears in the first film.
5: no midis.
6: Jedi more actively involved in finding out what's going on. Not so passive.
7: Clone Wars starting in the first film.
8: Anakin/Kenobi duel being the cliffhanger ending of second film.
Those are just some.
hmmmm simfono
>>>A real writer would have junked the whole thing and started from scratch. Which is why I never did a rewrite of the PT<<<
Actually, I was quite surprised how easy I, and a few others I've read, have found it to rewrite the prequels to a great degree of satisfaction. In fact, I deliberately challenged myself to only do a 'polish' of Clones, and that alone did wonders (IMHO). The problem with rewrites--aside from the fact that few people really know how to read a screenplay--is that gushers will not admit anything is better than what GL would do, and bashers will not or can not divorce themselves from their prequel experiences so far.
Nevertheless, when the Revenge script leaks, I will give it the reqrite it deserves--probably within a week from the moment I get it--even though nobody will read what I do, except to scorn it. One, it's just fun (and educational to a degree). Two, it's cathartic; I NEED to do it.
e vevaia einai toso efkolo! Afou to kanei o Luca$, den tha to kanei enas fan? Oloi to kanoun!
Pod racing...
Why not skyhopper races through Beggar's Canyon?
Seriously, why not flesh out something like this which not only got mentioned specifically as the sort of thing teenagers on Tatooine got up to, but we even saw Luke playing with a model of a skyhopper, for cryin' out sideways! Why not show us THAT? It's only been a tantalizing little bit of unseen SW action for going on 30 years now...
Nai re seis! Kai ego eida afto to mple prama pou pinoun oi Lars. Giati na min mas pei ti einai afto?
i[]Watching this year's Academy Awards made me realize how much I miss Lord of the Rings. Glad I could experience those three years, the excitement, the pride in watching those films get the recognition they deserve. Ahhh, that phenomenon will never happen again. Not in our lifetime. [/i]
E eipame, to LotR einai mia omorfia, ena poiima, ena louloudi! GAMOOOO TO STAR WARS KAI TIS VLAKEIES TOU LUCA$!
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The ending of AOTC? Pointless and rushed, IMO. What was the point of them being married? We know they end up having children together, they already declared their love for eachother, so why bother showing them get married, especially since it would go on record somewhere, a record that could be dug up and used against them. The wedding scene was just stuck in there; if a wedding is supposed to symbolize their love for eachother and be an important step in Anakin's path, then why make it a tiny clip stuck in at the very end? Why not make it an important scene with diologue? And I still find it hard to believe that someone living in a GFFA would have what looks like an early 20th century Earth lace veil on at their wedding. GL didn't think this was a good time to be creative? Why did the dress have to be white? Why did she have to wear a veil? Why not just stick a satin cumberbund on Anakin and give him a matching bow tie? A SW wedding scene had the potential to be really cool, but to me it was short, meaningless, and too much like Earth with Padme's outfit.
Fantazeste na min pantrevontan? E re fones gia eksogama kai anithikotites!
Music and blasters and old Jedi Masters at the STAR WARS Cantina!
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Sidious looks like an old man who just realized the kid at McDonald's isn't going to give him the senior citizen discount on his cup of coffee.
laugh I've a feeling that Sidious/Palpatine's mystique is going to suffer a fatal blow in this film. So much for the only character in the PT I still thought was slightly cool.
Allos enas uber-super-duper-kewl pou viastike apo ti mania tou Luca4 na vgalei lefta... Ego an ekana to STAR WARS, tha to eixa free! Nai, free! Tha eperna tis fans kai tha tis elega: Oriste! Diko sas einai! Fate eseis, ego xortaino!
Indeed, this does reek of that "who cares, it's gonna make a butt-load anyway" attitude. LucasFilm: Constantly Lowering the Bar of Professionalism.
Allow me to continue my criticism in more detail... Anakin looks like a pouting, effeminate boy band member ripped straight from a 13-year-old girl's magazine pin-up. Padmé's wearing a positively hideous headdress as she stares off blankly into the Bluescreen Abyss with that infamous porcelain glare of hers. Obi-Wan barely resembles Ewan, appearing as though he just spent a hard night on the floor of a filthy Taco Bell kitchen. The clashing Anakin and Obi-Wan look like third-rate stunt doubles to me. Palpatine once again looks like an ugly little goblin who crawled from the deepest depths of the Cave of Uninspired Make-Up Design. As always, Mace silently screams: "Hi, I'm a pointless celebrity cameo!" The haphazard, crud-we-need-some-toys-I-mean-vehicles-on-this-thing addition of the bizarrely ill-conceived Jedi/TIE mutation is amusing. Then there's the obligatory, looming Vader helmet, which is hardly even in the movie itself. To not use it on a piece of EIII merchandising would be a mortal sin according the Lucasian Bible, you know.
And yes, Yoda - the Cartoon Frog Fu Master. What's sad is that this is actually supposed to be taken seriously.
Oloi aftoi VIASTIKAN!
That ROTS Poster is utter bile! Not one of the PT posters have been very good, the best i can say for them is that they all match up pretty much to the same standard and composition. Having said that i reckon this is the worst one out of the lot, Struzan's lens-flare gimick really doesn't come off very well in it, they do look like bubbles around Vders head which kinda dampens his bad-guy image as it looks to me as if he's surrounded by fairies. the multi coloured lightsabre parade doesn't help either and why the leaping version of Yoda?!?!?! Struzans ability to replicate from photographs is nice but it would be nicer if he would bring some imagination of his own into the finished piece other than lens-flares.
I don't understand why Lucas decided to completely change the way the original SW fonts used to headline these posters. When ROTJ came out i was a little taken back by the very "Time New Roman" type font fit the title with the old font with the "Star Wars" circling around it, I honestly preferred the way they were before, they were more smoothing to the eye. These new films have continued in the ROTJ vein which for continuity sake is a good thing to a degree but it never felt like SW to me after ROTJ changed everything. Another thing that is no longer done is the multitude of posters, I recall these films having at least three posters each at the time of release, these were stunning affairs, busy with adventurous looking scenarios and action. These originally where never simply a bunch of photos reproduced in a new composition as Struzan does for the main posters now, they were totally original pieces of art and not a len-flare in sight! I can't beleive with all the artists they employ at Lucasfilm that GL will only commission ONE single poster per PT movie and those god-awful DVD covers.
BTW - There is ONE good thing to come out of Lucasfilm in recent years, SW Battlefronts game!!! I can shoot EWOKS and Gungans, I can sniper fire stormtroopers from hundreds of yards away, fight street to street in Tattooine like the Black Hawk Down battles in Mogadishu, i can fight alongside Vader and kill rebel scumb and i can win campaigns! Buddy every SW fan should own this game, I mean EWOKS, You can actually KILL EWOKS!!
Kill that Ewok! Oh shot that Ewok! Blast that Ewok!
DRAT!
Well, it appears the ROTS poster has been revealed, and apparently in addition to making that creepy breathing sound, Darth Mitten's helmet blows bubbles as he walks. See for yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/5kzr5
Actually, outside of the absurd number of what I can only assume are "camera flares", I think this poster is rather good. I especially like how orderly and triangular the composition is. And thank God the Trade Federation, droids, and General Grievous make absolutely no appearance here. Thank the maker, this poster is very OT heavy, with only Padme and Mace making cameos for the PT. Still, a few gripes. One: Sidious looks like an old man who just realized the kid at McDonald's isn't going to give him the senior citizen discount on his cup of coffee. Two: Yoda looks like he is flying off the page, or, more likely, trying to flee from the horror that is the PT. Outside of that, not too shabby. Certainly beats the pants off that horrible teaser poster from a few months ago...
Yoda flying. Nuff said. This poster is weaker than AOTC's, and we all know how I feel about that "train wreck"...
Luca$, katalave to: oi fans den theloun ton Yoda na petaei! ton theloun na gamei kai na dernei, alla oxi na petaei! 900 xronon einai, den petaei, mono gamei kai dernei!
Meh. I find the poster to be rather blasé. There's simply not much interesting going on here. I also think the composition is rather amateurish... It doesn't sit well with my artistic eye. And sheesh, Yoda looks so ridiculous (I'm sure LSHB is thrilled!). So this is what the franchise has sunk to?
Now, let me say that I don't dislike this poster simply because I'm a basher. I thought AOTC's was fairly good. Didn't hold a candle to the classic posters, but not bad. This one's just... blah.
Ego pali miso to STAR WARS giati einai kewl! 
It's weak, N_A. There's 16 year olds with hacked versions of Photoshop cranking out better work than this. It is professional, but the posters is symptomatic of all wrong with LFL today: Professional corporate fodder rushed to market and never living up to its potential. The poster just reinforces this continuous spiral of a once great name and team of artists, a sea of mass-produced mindless overly approved and still recklessly meaningless garbage which floods out of their marketing gates to the "lucky" peasants known as us fans.
The poster is junk. Forgoe the selection of photos, or the lighting and shadows, or the positioning of characters or the subtle use of anything to create anything meaningful or symbolic. The overuse of "Glare" techniques which comes standard (yes, no upgrade needed) with any Photoshop 4.0 or higher and can be mastered in a few short moments by even computer illiterates illustrates the amateurish and rushed out fodder this poster really is.
LFL sucks. They proven to be completely incapable of producing ANYTHING post-2000 which is any good whatsoever. Anything. Can anybody name me one thing that is unique or quality? Nothing. Every single videogame for FIVE years has been rushed out prior to being ready. Some fun, but NEVER what they could be. The DVDs - no words needed. Even frikkin posters are so half-thought and amateur that I wonder if any care exists anywhere within Skywalker Ranch to the once noble ideal: PRODUCTION QUALITY.
This is what it boils down to, folks. We can talk like fanboys and "I-wishers" all day long about this story choice and that story choices and midis and the whole nine yards. But I would gladly give ANYTHING, gladly accept any of these stories if for nothing but PRODUCTION QUALITY. No blatantly bad CGI. No one-shot takes at the camera. No last minute factory scenes. No crap marketing and posters. No bad shots used EVER (remember Hirsch, for he was a God among men). A script that had at least been worked over with an ounce of care. Or one worked at all. Coaches who worked for actor's performances.
You know - PRODUCTION QUALITY. That means every little minute detail is covered and treated with care instead of just cranking out the daily chore, garbage, whatever.
Lucasfilm's production values suck. And ye ole flanneled one, whether he took the time to view the poster or any of this other junk or he decided to call it a day at 5 is totally responsible. S U C K S. Sucks.
SKATA TA EKANES LUCA$ ME TO STAR WARS! Den exeis PRODUCTION QUALITY! Eno ego! Exo klas! Gia mirise! Den exo poli klas?
Skeftomai na ksekiso ena diagonismo: Ti tha ginotan an o Luca$ ekane to x film? Kathe simmetoxi tha leei ti tha ginotan an o Luca$ ekane ena film tixaio. Poso malakia tha ginotan. Px to LotR. To Patos apatos No2. To Ksekolothreftis.
To Passion of Christ.
And BTW, perhaps Mad Mel will consider to make a Prequel of Passion, you know, about the Father of the "main character"
Eh, what sort of film would this be?
The sort of films the PT turned out to be: A waste. Imagine Mel Gibson doing a Passion Prequel, showing the whole Genesis chapter, God creating the Universe, etc. Then you can make a whole Trilogy of it, showing all the biblical "highlights". Have also one annoying outcast angel (let's call him "Jar-Jariel") doing some slapstick, Liam Neeson playing Joseph, etc. I can't go on, it's too much of a blasphemy for me...
Anyone interested reading Rick McCallum's interview in the German "Cinema", go to the Comms Spoiler Thread, since it contains minor spoilers. I'm sure that many bashers will find many interesting points in there...
That interview is another amazing Rick McCallum piece.
It is the movie that will tie all loose ends and answer all the questions, that still remain unanswered. I think that the hardcore fans, who didn’t like Episode I and II, will be excited with Episode III. I can promise them, ROTS is the movie that they wanted to see six years ago.
- And I can tell Rick now, ROTS is not the movie I wanted to see six years ago. I can also tell him, based on the spoilers that I've read, that this is not the movie that will tie all loose ends.
Lucas:We are gonna get bruised for “Episode I”. People are not gonna love this movie. But I can’t make the movie in any other way; it has to be just like this”.
And this is exactly what happened.
- I think it's been pretty much established that there were other ways to make episode 1. It didn't have to be like that. This is especially obvious when you see how with episode 2 they start all over again, as if most of TPM didn't happen.
It's always the same. First episode 1 was the movie we had all been waiting for, then episode 2 was the movie that was really going into the star wars story, and now episode 3 is supposed to be the movie that we really all wanted to see, and that will make everything better. What are they going to say next? The star wars tv series will be the star wars we've all been waiting for?
Star Wars was always the chronicles of a family.
- Yeah, not really.
It begins with an 8-year old boy, he grows up and he’s being immature, just like Luke in “Episode IV”, until this young boy turns into a man, one that has to make a decision. A wrong decision. But in the same time, he is the Chosen One and the only person to bring balance in the Force. This amazing story lasts 12 hours. You will understand the process when you see all six movies together. Only then will you understand, why “Episode I” had to be so childish and naive.
- This chosen one stuff wasn't made up 30 years ago. Episode 1 didn't have to be childish and naive. Yes, it had to show a fairly innocent Anakin, and a different galactic situation, and it could be more lighthearted than the other prequels. But really, it didn't have to be so bad.
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There is a difference between seeking feedback and actually trying to tailor your work to an audience; I can't predict for sure what the guy who sits next to me in class will go for, just as he can't always predict the same for me; art is not about reading the viewer's mind and giving him what he wants. But I have confidence in my ideas, and if I like it, someone else out there will like it too. That's done me well enough so far. After all, Lucas did not make SW by examining what movies were in vogue at the time and choosing to follow that trend, and Lord knows it wasn't the most popular film around the Fox office.
- I admire it that you 'stick to your art', Adam, but when a studio gives you 50 million or so to make a movie, you better make a movie an audiance will like (hint: put in naked boobies, vampires, and zombies - or vampire zombies with naked boobies) Or you can take the money and run wink
It's also clear to me that Lucas has changed from a guy who did something because he liked it, to a guy who goes with the flow.
George Lucas finds himself in the unique position that he doesn't have to care about what the audiance thinks.
He got what? A billion dollars or so in merchandizing and promotional tie-in before TPM was even finished. And it's obvious that Lucas could make a film about digital poop, put the star wars logo on it, and still countless people would go see it. The star wars name is that powerful.
He can do just what he has always said: make these movies for himself, and tell the story he wants to tell.
Then why is it that especially AOTC, and it looks like ROTS also (very much in fact), look like standard sequels, thought up by a commitee of hollywood executives?
With TPM I get the idea that Lucas at least tried to create something somewhat original, but it looks like he has given up.
People liked the OT better than TPM, so let's put OT stuff in the movies. Boba Fett flying around (yeah his name was Jango, it was really Boba from the OT), an asteroid chase, cutting off a hand in a bar. People liked the Matrix. So let's invent CG Kung-Fu Yoda.
People liked those things in AOTC, so let's put more Yo-Da-man in ROTS. And let's have Sidious also jump around with a saber. Let's put more OT characters in there (for no good storytelling reason).
These movies are not the work of an artist who is only interested in telling his story - a story by the way, that appears to be increasingly inconsistent with the story he started with more than 20 years ago.
And why? Why does Lucas feel the need to please the audiance in such a cheap and obvious way?
It makes me sad.
Objectively, I can't say TPM and AOTC are good. Especially AOTC is messy on almost every level. It's simply too easy to point out the flaws. A bad movie can be entertaining, but it's still a bad movie.
I like Armageddon too btw. It's entertaining, and even emotional every now and then. I don't care about Kevin Smith. I read that he's again going back to making movies that take place in his little 'universe'...
Yoda wielding the lightsaber is awful, IMO. Especaily since the digital animation of him and Dooku jumping at eachother through the air looks so fake. Dooku's body looks like it has no weight, it's just spiraling through the air like a bag with some garbage in it. The leader of the separatist army shouldn't have been a dark jedi because it only confuses things. What baout the rule of two? If Dooku is a dark jedi, not a Sith, then why is he Darth Tyrannus? If he is a Sith, then Sidious has broken the rule of two. When I first saw TPM, I thought the rule of two meant that the Sith trained in pairs. That there were many of them in the galaxy but they dodn't have a council and they didn't fight in groups. Now I know that the rule of two actually means that there can only be two Sith left at a time, which makes no sense to me. Anyway, Count Dooku served two purposes IMO. One, bring the actor who protrayed Saruman into the movie because everyone thought he was cool in The Fellowship of the Rings, and two, get someone for Yoda to fight which will surprise everyone and distract them from the weak story. Those are the only reasons I can think of for Dooku's existance. Anakin doesn't learn anything from him. He doesn't learn about the darkside, he doesn't discover some secret, he isn't tested. Lightsaber fights should be important for the characters, or else everything just turns into one long action sequence, we have enough of those in the films already (not that I don't like action sequences).
I think we can all admit that even the originals, our Holy Trilogy if you will, are/is rife with dumb or imperfect elements. Yes, all three of them. Many who look on us bashers and do not understand us point this fact out as proof that today's Star Wars movies are indeed just as good as the originals, that nothing has changed, and we've just grown out of our ability to enjoy Star Wars.
But the real issue for the vast majority of us is that the prequels' group of characters and the story they tell fails to grab us emotionally and intellectually. THAT is the whole problem. If you capture us from the beginning, as Episode IV did, we suddenly become able to overlook the grimace-worthy details, such as the supposedly accurate Stormtroopers consistently missing the broad side of a barn, or even the insulting antics of the Ewoks (most of us, that is).
Why is this so? The answer is that we're so involved, so interested in the telling of the story and what happens to the characters, that we're willing to brave some dings and dents and scuffs in this shiny wonder that is our Star Wars experience. The characters are believable, and not annoying to watch, and you come to enjoy them as they joke or struggle their way through the story. And so -- for instance -- you actually care when they ignite a lightsaber to confront someone, even if the action sequences' choreography doesn't hold a candle to that of today's releases.
What I am really talking about is the elusive magic of the movies. Magic that the originals have, and the prequels do not. Magic that escapes many would-be great releases in the theater, and often surprises us with unexpected gems. Regarding the Star Wars prequels, thanks to the dismal array of disappointments right from the start (stupid Neimoidian accents, bored and uninspiring acting, ridiculous plot devices, and all manner of continuity problems), we never become interested enough to forgive the little bumps that we'd been so willing to overlook in the originals. Here we are.
So the next time you read a post bashing or complaining about something in specific, remember that it's probably because the prequels failed to capture them sufficiently to begin with. It certainly explains a lot about what has happened to the Star Wars fan base, and where the prequels have really gone wrong.
Intellectuallity. Kati pou o Luca$ ksexase... Px. Pos na rikso afti to gomena? ti tha fao avrio? Giati o Jaba einai xontros? Tetoia pramata.
- I think it was George Lucas himself who at one time said that a lightsaber fight is just two guys bashing glowing sticks together. That what made a lightsaber fight interesting was the drama. There was something going on with the characters.
Apparently by the time he made AOTC he had changed his mind...
Dooku originally was supposed to have left the jedi order because he didn't want to serve the politicians. He always wanted to be more powerful, to be the best. This was told in the library scene in AOTC - that got cut.
This would have been nice, because it would have mirrored Anakin's character. Then Dooku could have actually tempted Anakin to join him. Anakin had already used the dark side against the Tuskens. Dooku could have sensed that and said something about it.
But nothing...
Now Dooku is nothing more than Christopher Lee in a cape, and the lightsaber fight was nothing more than an excuse to chop off a hand. Then the main character got tossed aside and we got the pointless silly Yo-Da-Man stuff.
Too bad. Another wasted opportunity.
[her]Now Dooku is nothing more than Christopher Lee in a cape, and the lightsaber fight was nothing more than an excuse to chop off a hand. Then the main character got tossed aside and we got the pointless silly Yo-Da-Man stuff. Too bad. Another wasted opportunity.
Exactly. I'm sorry, but Dooku is an absolute zero as a character. There is no backstory to him, no progression, and no logic. He certainly isn't interesting or "tempting" to anyone. Oh, and the Jedi can apparently survive massive congnitive dissonance as they quickly shift from "Dooku is a sweetie, his precious little heart wouldn't hurt anyone" to "I don't believe you Dooku, despite the fact that I don't have any reason to not believe what you are saying to me". Ugh. Please Dooku, just go back to Mordor. Please.
Okay, I watched TPM and AOTC on DVD back to back, no FF-ing or anything, just let it run and try to see if it works on any level as a sequence of films as part of a grander vision. Needless to say it failed but that's not really a suprise, what was a suprise to me was that it still felt like something that could have worked if manufacturd in the hands of someone more capable than G.Lucas. These films are ultimately pretty badly directed and laced with dialogue so bad the actors could probably have done better simply improvising. No film is so bad to have no redeeming features (well there is Megaforce & Treasure of the Four Crowns.. terrible movies) so i will say for the PT films so far that they do possess a mutlidude or amazing designs that come to life although not always seeming to fit right in the SW universe of yester-year and also at times some beautiful digital cinematography.
TPM: Six years on from all the hype and i still feel something of the anticipation of its commencement as the words "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.." comes up onscreen. Thus the dissapointment begins with a series of stupid elements and nausiation dialogue not to mention deadpan acting. The TF Neimodians caused a stir with their crazy accents but i rather liked their cowardly performances, what i didn't like were the awful masks they wore so uncomfortably. The Battledroids look so unthreatening that the minute they talk - you doubt any amount of them could win a battle against any mammal with a working brain. Even the Ewoks would have creamed these guys! The two Jedi look cool, i have to admit loving Obi Wans fancy twirling of his saber and Qui Gons very Samurai type hairdo but to see them taking the droids apart doesn't feel like much of a contest giving fore-knowledge of their ineptness. JAR JAR still annoys the hell out of me from the moment he opens his mouth, the ridiculous language Lucas has him utter simply taxes the mind as to WHY, Why would anyone think this would be a good idea? The film just plods on from event to event, pretty much sterile with only JJ's annoyance managing to raise any feeling in me. The digital vistas of Naboo look stunning but 30 minutes into SW:ANH i had a sense of wonder, i felt fear of the bad guys, i felt a willingness for the good guys to succeed. 30 minutes into TESB, I was wrecked with concern for my characters, I was thrilled with anticipation of the conflict to come. 30 minutes into TPM and i was feeling annoyance more than anything else, i just wanted Jar Jar to shut up and somebody else to say somthing a lot more real or personal relating to character rather than all the political bollocks about trade disputes, treaties and legal manouvres. After watching CLOSER last week it's amazing to see the difference in Natalie Portman here, she's truly robotic! It is only on Tattooine when Wattoo comes onto the scene that I feel someone in this film is actually alive with character, his scenes with Qui Gon are the best performances the film has to offer. Obi Wan virtually dissapears here and considereing his major part in the saga overall it's not a well structured manouvre to keep him in the background. The music here is fantastic though, even in the most dull of scenes JW manages to create some of the saga's best incidental tunes. The music that plays over Qui Gon's discussion of Anakins parentage is opens into a wonderful piece as the awful acting kids arrive to diss Anakins pod. That Pod race is another of those things that in the hands of a decent editor could have been a dramatic sequence but here it is a parade of characters you expect to find on your kids yogurt or breakfast cereal box and the amount of music lacking from the large sequence leaves it feeling souless. When we finally see Darth maul it is one of those things that actually makes you think there is hope yet in this movie no matter how many times you've seen it already and know it sucks. It's a shame GL cut the initial fight between him and Quigon to meaningless shreds as from the point he leaps off his speeder (a dodgy FX won over by the sheer intent rather than the delivery) the best bit of the fight is already over before it has even begun. I have to reflect on the parting of Anakin and his mother, I know GL wanted this to be pivotal in the whole journey of the central character and if not for the great music again by JW it would fail utterly. American sounding Annie and his Swedish accented mama don't quite gell in the first place in order for the seperation to hit any chords. Infact i couldn't wait for him to leave from the minute they had that awful dinner table scene. I feel sorry for Jake Lloyd, he seemed to be picked to play a moppet haided sweetie that everyone was meant to look at and utter "Aaaahhhhh!" Instead of someone who looks like he could grow into either a great Jedi or a great Sith lord. To have this sprout making robots with more advanced speech than Battledroids in his bedroom and creating Pods that go faster than the best money can buy regardless of the fact that he hasn't a penny simply doesn't work on any level. A more capable looking 18 year old maybe could have pulled it off but not this kid and not without any notable or worthwhile examples of him using the Force visually in his achievements. Infact the lack of his use of the Force really is something this film lacked, he is a contradiction in terms, GL wants to show him as a normal little kid we can relate to but at the same time have him do things no kid his age possibly can without showing his power at work. Its the cement that's missing from the foundations of his character just as the spark of romance is missing from his supposed initial enamouring of Padme. Courascant: nice place to visit, wouldn't want to live there. That's the centrepiece homeworld in a nutshell, absolutely stunning to visualze, i'm still amazed by the vistas by daylight years after first seeing it, it's one of the things i wish they showed more of in the arrival of the group on the central planet. But the paradoy of the senate hearings feels like Pantomine and the Jedi never looked more boring than in this film and at this point. One would think once you become a master, glue seeps out of your butt and keeps you firmly in that seat for the rest of your life. I can accept the contrived reason to return to Naboo for a battle if only to get away from the banal bollocks happening on Courascant. We get really Pantomine again with the unvieling of the true queen to Boss Nass and the Gungans, everyone is friends like fairy tale narrative and off to fight the bad guys. 'Cept the Bad guys are wotless droids that we can literally knock over like ninepins if we had enough bowling balls. The end Battle is so mind blowingly poor that out of a choice of three simutaneous conflicts there's only one you'd care less to see again; the lightsabre duel of course. The Space battle is dire, worse after all these years seeing better stuff concieved in TV shows. The shoot out with the droids is as routine as it gets but the lightsabre fight although hacked to death again by Lucas with his chainsaw, remains one of the most classic moments in the saga, well at least it starts off that way before culminating in a joke sequence as D.Maul forgets how to fight and becomes yet another silly death casualty of SW bad guys. This film is shite, it has its fun moments but they are few and it offers little in promise for the next film so it's no wonder audiences stayed away from AOTC in droves.
AOTC: Well the first thing that grabbed me is that i actually loved the opening sequence, i think its the best ship appearance since SW:ANH as the cavalcade of ships enter Courascant on a misty morning. Then the return of the deadpan acting and sillines rapidly return in super crystal clear picture quality. Honestly these digital cameras they shot this film with and sourced the DVD picture is simply stunning. Its so strong in colur and depth that it seems almost unreal because it is too real a representation of fantasy, it's amazing to see. The CGI Yoda looks great, go back and change the steroid taking puppet from TPM with this guy! More pantomine talk between the politicians, a mention of Dooku and already i'm begining to laugh. Who makes up these names, Lucas or his kids? Anakin presented as a whining, lovestruck teenager from the minute we see him in the lift is not the best re-introduction for the character, maybe the visualiaztion of the little story he and Kenobi share in that lift about falling into a nest of Gundarks would have been a better opener. His petty squabble with kenobi at the table is also laughable (are we meant to laugh?) then comes the silliest thing i eve seen in SW. The bad guys hire a bounty hunter, who sends an assasin, who dispatches a droid that releaes two worms in order to poison and finally kill the senator. Looooooong way to go about killing someone. 30 minutes into this film and i'm mildly thrilled, the speeder chase is quite dull but i find myself laughing at funny things i'm not sure i should be which adds to my enjoyment like the classic villian killing to stop thr revealing of identities.. "His name is..(pow!) ..uhhhh!" It gets better too, i laugh at Padme's changing of clothes to pack her travelling bag, her change of clothes to go to the airport, her change of clothes to visit the queen, her change into an amazing "Eat-Me!" gown to visit the island retreat where Anakin can't help but attmept a snog after stroking the skin off her back, her change of clothes to go to a picnic, change again into "Eat-Me!" dress number 2 to entice Anakin to pour his heart out in the worst exchange of dialogue ever in a SW movie! She changes again to greet him in the morning on the balcony awaking with lavish harido and perfect make-up, changes again to travel to Tatooine, changes again when anakin returns from finding his mother and finally the funniest and most bizarre of all changes. For despite the previous 9 or so changes while under a constant assasination attempt only NOW when she changes to attend the funeral does she change into a costume that has a gunbelt and a firearm! ..WTF!?!?! Am I enjoying this film? YES! Is it for all the right reasons? NO! Jango Fett's conflict with Kenobi throughout the film is the only action sequences we have to sew together the diabolical attempt at a love story, unfortunately the fight on Kamino is hacked like the other fights in the PT and not very well choreographed either with silly things like jedi walking away from laserblast from a starship and a missile attack. It's enjoyable to a point with its rainy backdrop, headbutts and kung-fu kicks but the follow-up dogfight in the asteroid field fails to hit the spot too. Especially after we have a mental picture of Kenobi hating flying yet being able to pull of spins, twirls and manouvres to make even han Solo jealous in a chase so devoid of music once again that it reminds me of the blandness of the Pod-race from its predecessor. When we finally see Count Dooku he is actually Saruman the Black more than anything else and if Obi Wan had bothered to ask him to ignite his lightsabre they could have saved on the banal dialogue about who trained who and which jedi are really sith simply by the colour of his blade. So up until the point of the Arena everything in this film has been below par with what it should be, the fights, love story etc all bland but the unintentional humour all good. so it's no suprise that the minute the Arena sequence starts you have to laugh, the Cat creature scratching off Padmes clothes strategically to make her costume unofficially change number 10 into a sexier number. Mace windu with his "This Party is Over" line (I can't beleive he said that!) his lopping off Jango head is another funny moment, Saruman the Black doesn't wince throughout the entire battle as Jedi get blown all over the place and even when one leaps onto his viewing box and jango does a cowboy style shooting to rid him off the invader, Dooku barely displays a nuance of emotion. But as soon as Mace cuts off Fetts head he shudders with a telling wince and almost is seen to utter "ooooooh!" - this is hilarious stuff, badly shot with the same even landscape sequences of jedi fighting in the background very dull. It all lacks soul and ferocity and the interludes with C3PO's silly lines don't help as they seem to want to make him the new Jar Jar. But then the clones arrive and the action moves up a notch, now unlike most i think the CGI clones is one of the films great achievements. I look and I look again and these guys appear as real as it gets, i would never have known if i wasn't told that they were CGI and Boy can they shoot! They decimate the opposition, they're better than Jedi's and that's not the way things are supposed to be.. is it? The downing of the TF ship and the cloud of sand it kicks up as it hits the ground leads into one of the best shots in the film as the Clones battle the TF droids in a veil of clouded sand, it's amazing to see but thats about as good as it gets. The end sequence of promising lightsabre battles are utter pants to view again and they were pants the first time around too. Even the Yoda fight i got all excited about the first time i viewed it succeeds only at the begining as the two use their powers to contest a very "Wizard" battle before regressing to fighting with swords and obviously if it had gone any further we'd had been entertained with a round of harsh language and raspberry tongues!" Gosh this was a silly film with a silly plot but i find it highly enjoyable to a point even after all these years of dissing it. I actually really like Hayden Christenson, he has promise but simply stuck under the wrong direction. He has a cool sequence killing the Tuskens after hs mother dies and the initial political debate with Padme at the picnic. He also unlike Jake Lloyd got to show off an array or his abilities with the Force. Unfortunately he barely got to show his obvious sword skill in the final fight becasue the scenes were yet again hacked by Lucas to a point where they were simply ineffective and his arm-chop was even worse than vaders in ROTJ. The film though ends on a visual high note for me, many may scorn its CGI troops en masse at the end as the politicians look on at the army leaving to war but i consider that one of it's triumphs, the music plays the Imperial March at it's most approriate and with venom too. It leads into the beautiully shot if wierd wedding of Padme and Anakin with the best thing in the film playing over the end sequence and that is the "Across the Stars" love them, it's rampant here, powerflully played and unquestionably an instant SW classic! It's such a shame this film is so below par with its potential.
One thing the end of AOTC does at this point that it didn't before is actually give me something to look forward to in ROTS. Whether I get it is another matter but i would like to see Anakin turn bad and kill of all the Jedi as they are more negative than the actual bad guys in these films. I also would like to see his fight with kenobi since apart from the fight with Maul i feel we never got to see a Jedi a decent swordfight! And funny enough i'm also looking forward to seeing what Padme can turn up with next in her wardroe of amazingly inapproraite frocks and insane hairstyles. But above all that i'm simply awaiting the next John Williams SW music soundtrack, it's without a doubt the last time he'll be doing one and i hope he puts more into this than he ever has in his life to make if the most memorable of experiences. Something the film i'm convinced can never do on any level without his contribution if left solely on the guidenace of George Lucas.
An mporeite, kante ena toso megalo post!
Why the hell are you even watching these films anymore? I dunno about you people but I seriously don't watch films again that I spend every day of my life bashing. I bash Armageddon and Titanic about every chance I get. I've never seen them again and I probably never will...
EDIT: I am not trying to offend anyone here, but sometime I just am mystified by discussing the negative aspects of a film almost DAILY yet continuing to watch the films and be a fan. There are bands that put out an amazing album or even a few amazing albums... but when they start putting out crap, I eventually lose interest. I might still listen to the old albums, but after a few weeks of "why did they have to mess this up. the old albums were so great" I just let it go and move on to other bands.
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Kai me afto to sofo telos, sas xereto!
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Tora pou vgike to poster, exoume kainourio material!
Nees efkairies gia gelio mexri dakrion!
THa sas kratiso enimerous!
P.S. Gia ola ftaiei o Luca$!!!1!1!1!!OMGWT[H]!1!!!1!!o!1!!1!ne!1!eleven!
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I think there are some highly talented people at LFL not living up to their potential. Typically - that is because of leadership.
I agree with you. But hey, this is the movie industry (Hollywood or not). When you're a hired hand, the best that you can do is to make it look as good as you possibly can in the time allotted. This definitely builds ability and potential, hopefully to be realized on other projects.
The fault, of course, lies with Lucas himself.
Precisely. He could care less about perfection, and has said so numerous times. And so, such care went with Kurtz right out the door...
I'd say this were true more with repsect to his abilities as a writer and director. However, his attention to visual detail and fx is nothing short of fanatical.
oh and *****, I think the editing for both TPM and AOTC has been horrid. In fact, I even rank TPM's editing worse than its lack of antagonist. But that's just my humble opinion. Burtt is just ANOTHER ego gone mad.
Not knowing Ben Burtt personally, I can't vouch for his ego. As a sound editor myself, I've often wanted to re-visit picture editing (what I went to film school to learn) and can certainly relate to Burtt's desire to do so. I personally find film editing infinitely more challenging, but no less fun than sound. My abilities as a film editor, though, can only get better with more practice.
Therein lies the editorial faults of the PT, particularly with AOTC. Ben Burtt doesn't have the same knowledge and experience with picture cutting as he does with sound design and editing. I agree with your assesment of the editing of these films being below par (particularly AOTC). I view TPM as a better edited film (no doubt due in large part to the presence of Paul Martin Smith). AOTC felt rushed and choppy, even at 143 minutes.
Well, if ROTS fails to live up to its trailer, I can't say I'd be too surprised. I'm of the opinion that the TPM trailer was one of the best ever. I distinctly remember seeing that trailer for the first time slack-jawed, and saying to myself, "I fully expect this movie to be the best ever made." Hyperbole? Perhaps. But regardless, TPM in no way fulfilled the promise shown in that trailer. Neither did AOTC, for that matter.
I'll download the trailer when it's online everywhere, and not too big (because I'm on dial-up). I'm not in much of a hurry to see a few cool effects shots. I'm sure those look as good as always.
But from the trailer description I've read I didn't get the idea that it will be a great trailer.
For now the TPM trailer is still the best. That one got me going. If only the movie would have been that good.
Production Quality includes wardrobe and ridiculously poor and ill-thought choices like white battle outfits worn to funerals.
- I think that originally there were more scenes on Tatooine, and that they had received Obi-Wan's message sooner. The funeral scene was probably supposed to be a last goodbye - although then it was a bit strange that Cliegg was also saying goodbye to his wife.
I believe originally they got Obi's message first, not long after he had send it. They watched it in the garage (Artoo projected it). Then Padmé must have changed clothes, and the rest happened.
I remember reading something like that anyway, I could be wrong.
The way it was done in the movie doesn't make sense at all. Artoo waits a loooong time before he delivers the super-urgent message; Padmé shows up at the funeral ready for battle, Shmi had already been burried and a stone was already in place over her grave; they simply wave goodbye without saying anything; and they steal C-3PO!
There's a lot of things in AOTC that don't make sense, there are cutscenes that should've never been filmed, and there are scenes that don't accomplish much or anything that couldn't have been included in other scenes.
What a bit of extra effort in the writing stage could have done for AOTC is amazing. But Lucas has said that films are never finished, only abandoned. I think he takes this 'abandoned film' concept a bit too far...
The critical aspects of these films lie in the story - the script, as well as the performances needed to give the script life. Lucas is severely flawed in my mind as a filmmaker on exactly these levels. He's marvelous technically (again, the films look and sound MOSTLY great, with some reservations for silly things like Anakin and the Big Tic).
- I agree.
But those who weren't spoiled couldn't necessarily identify that it was a tusken being decapitated, so as far as they were concerned, mention of Anakin slaughtering tuskens was still a spoiler- one which was allowed under the rules of the forums, but one which people weren't happy reading nonetheless.
- I remember that some people thought that Anakin chopped off Mace Windu's head.
The Ep3 poster:
I could say that I think it's the worst of the bunch, except that:
1. I don't remember everything that's on it, because as soon as I saw Yo-Da-Man, copied from that publicity image that appeared some time ago, my mind automatically tried to block everything else. Sort of like the Adblock thing on my browser
2. I never really liked the SE and prequel posters anyway. Not for the sake of bashing, but I simply never liked those.
3. I don't really remember the previous posters that well.
4. It's only a poster. And while movie posters can be very cool, in this case I just don't care.
It's good to see that I'm not the only Bottom and britcom fan
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I am a HUGE Bottom fan, which isn't an easy job in the USA. They don't exist over here. The show has never been aired over here, the live shows have never been released on DVD here, the movie was not released here in theaters or on video. But thanks to the wonders of multiregion DVD players, I've managed to amass quite a collection of the works of Ade and Rik (together and individually).
- Cool
I really need to get the shows on DVD. I only have them on VHS, taped from TV, just like the movie (which some critics called the worst movie of the year - but those critics just don't get it), and like the Young Ones, Red Dwarf and the original Transformers episodes. But the tapes are not in such a great condition, because I've watched them more then anything else (including Star Wars).
It does mean using a credit card to buy online, something I usually don't do. Right now the first Bottom series is out on DVD in the Netherlands, but with one episode missing and apparently botched-up subtitles (which are useless anyway in a british comedy).
So I guess I'll have to deal with Amazon UK, where they have all the right DVD titles.
I've never seen the live shows, they're supposed to be pretty good. I should really get those too.
Anyone ever seen A Bit Of Fry And Laurie (Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie sketch show post-Blackadder but prior to Jeeves & Wooster)?
- Only a few episodes when it was on tv. Some funny stuff, but not my favourites.
EDIT:
I checked out this image of the six original posters of the movies (is that the official original ROTJ poster? I didn't think so)
http://img237.exs.cx/img237/4234/originalrelease2jr.jpg
The difference is terribly obvious. The new ones are so 'busy'. And yes, what is it with those silly lense flares?
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Ase, eida to trailer...
Ena exo na po: DEN KSERO PIO EINAI TO ORAMA POU EXEIS GIA TO DIMIOURGIMA MOU £UCA$, ALLA PANTOS TO DIKO MOU EINAI KALITERO!
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Giati? To treiler einai mia hara...kai dio tromares.... 
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