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jediadigallia
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11/27/06 7:29am
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RE: REVAMPING OF THE FIRST COAST JEDI KNIGHTS
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I have contacted Hama with some thoughts and I will say I am very dissappointed with the tone of all this. It is a sad day for all involved and I'm not quite sure how we all arrived at this place. There are clearly two sides here: supporters for Chase and Patrice and supporters for Luis. Each side has valid issues and concerns and each side feels their's is the "right" side. All of us involved have said things we probably regret at this point. I hope Dwight regrets slamming the 501st, considering some of us are 501st members. It is a solid, charitable organization that has been around a long time and has done alot of good for many deserving causes. FCJK has done some wonderful things, as well. I hope Travis regrets bringing Luis and Amanda's personal lives into this, because it has no place or relavance to this issue. I hope Patrice regrets the tone of some of her posts. I have to say, in all fairness to Chase, his posts reflect a mature tone and he is probably paying more now for his wife's posts than his own.
My hope for the future of the FCJK is for all parties to swallow their pride and start over. Is it asking too much to revamp the organization, keep everyone who currently has an interest in FCJK, but bring back the old leadership? If not, what would be an acceptable alternative? Does anyone actually have a solution? Can there be two Jacksonville FanForce groups? Isn't what we are after here the re-building and or reorganization of an institution that is meant to help the community and not to tear each other apart? We all must also admit that mistakes have been made by some parties involved and those issues need to addressed, as well. I know that people feel the need to defend themselves when they feel like they've been attacked, but can that be handled by PM's instead of being hashed out on the public boards? Why make it an issue for all to be involved in if a problem only exists between two people? It makes me feel very uncomfortable to read these hurtful statements, no matter if they are made in self-defense or not. KEEP IT OFF THE BOARDS.(That being said, this particular board is the exception to the rule and exists for specific issues to be addressed by all). In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we just all get along??"
Before anything is said, there are those of us, including myself, who have remained members on an inactive status, but remain members, nontheless. I have watched from a distance and since I am also a member of the 501st, I have to decide which activities better fit my schedule. It is a tough decision, but it's one that all of us with multiple club memberships have to weigh.
I cannot say anything about certain events or behavior at events, simply because I wasn't there and I will not make accusations or judgements based on second hand information. What I will say is this: I can remember the excitement I felt when I found out that I was not alone in being a Star Wars fan in this area. That excitement was fueled by the fervor Luis and Julia exhibited at out regular meetings and get-togethers. We all forged some long-lasting relationships that are strong to this day. I am saddened by the turn of events as of late, and I hope the FanForce administration can make a fair assessment of all of this. I will be watching with great interest to see how all this turns out.
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TK-3150
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11/27/06 7:59am
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Wow, looks like this chapter has turned into the Tampa Bay chapter. Mebbe Hama will remember how all that went down a year and a half ago..............
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Hama
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TK-3150 posted:
Wow, looks like this chapter has turned into the Tampa Bay chapter. Mebbe Hama will remember how all that went down a year and a half ago..............
//shudders
Ugh. I had that buried deep in my subconsciousness until now. 
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jmknet1
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11/27/06 9:31am
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This is the reason I stoped posting on this boared! If the group is in termoil then all blamme gose to the Leader. the buck has to stop with luis.You have major issues and its not fair to blame your problems on someone else.Louis you should maybe look at your self than to blame others for your problems.I have no problems with ether you or Chase but every time something gose wrong you leave the group instead of dealing with it. What kind of leader runs away when somthing gose wrong??
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I_H8_registering
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RE: REVAMPING OF THE FIRST COAST JEDI KNIGHTS
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jediadigallia posted:
I hope Travis regrets bringing Luis and Amanda's personal lives into this, because it has no place or relavance to this issue.
Well I would like to point out the name first coast JEDI knights. Additional personal attack deleted
P.S. I'm still waiting on those four request I made in an earlier list. Thank you
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macewndu73
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I agree with jediadigallia. There is room in Jaxs for 2 groups is needs be. I am behind Blaze 100% and I hope Hama will review the comments on this thread and take the appropriate action where needed. Not just with the 2 in question but also each individual post that has been entered. There are some comments out there that are just uncalled for. Personal life is just that, PERSONAL. For those of you who know me, I would love to comment more. I am taking some advise and will not "post while I am angry" after reading the previous comment as well as the others on this thread.
What a pitty.....
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Hama
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11/27/06 3:07pm
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I think there are more appropriate issues to be discussed here than any personal/dating relationships. Let's try to concentrate on those, please.
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ImperialOrder
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Alright, I was hopeing to hold off on posting my feelings, but seeing as how things are kinda ripe for the typing, I'll do so.
I like to remain neutral. I'm a friend of everyone. I don't like picking sides. But if I have too, I'll side with Luis. But not for reason which people will think about. I'm a memeber since the start. While not a founder, nor at first a frequent poster, Julia, Matt, Luis, and Gina can comfirm, I've been around here since that long. Now, at first the group was fun and really friendly. I liked the people and the enviroment that was around me. And, for once I was not blasted on the fact that I liked Star Wars, but could openly talk and debate it. Then, it became not so fun anymore.
I will say right up front, I'm a guy who has a pretty long leash. A really long leash. But, after Julia left, I felt as though the group was missing something. As we progressed, I found the group becoming more like work. If I wanted to work, I'd go to work. Not go to a costuming event. I felt as though we were neglaticing the collectors of the group. I found connections to the people who get me things through the group, when they left, I had no more contact with them as I only contacted them through these boards. Not going to name their names out of respect.
Now, I like Chase. I would like to continue to be his friend, but I found some behaviors at some the events to be out of line. Case in point, Party City. Running around the store was not only inapproitate, but was wrong. And, I'm very use to how we have handlers at events. Jeff was busy fighting the kids off from taking his lightsaber, whilst I got the crap beat out of my armor. Something that means a lot to me. I CRIED, FOR REAL CRIED when that bucket got that damaged. Even Luis did. That was his baby first, then mine. Now, flame me. I don't care. But, please, I don't like being flamed. I relize that people aren't going to like what I have to say, but take all sides.
Now, anothre thing, please don't bring personal lives into this. Amanda is not here to defend herself and it's not right bringing that up. And as for the whole Dragon Con thing (which I know will get brought up...) I just want to say I felt really icky for having what I could afford being trashed. I know it sucked, but all I can afford. Other than that, even getting sick on the way back it was fun! But, please no personal stuff on here. Leave it at the door.
Finally, I did the research. As requested, a list of memebers (90 in total) who posted and/or attended events and their names to the best of my memeory. (Last names withheld for reasons.)I'm sure there is more, BUT I do not recall right now.
Darth_Blaze Luis
Yuleelee Gina
Leia214 Julia
ImperialOrder Steve
TheSpectre Buzz
Errant_Venture Jonathan
JediAce90 Adam
Yuleecouchpotato Rob
Silverbullet34 Monroe
Miranova34 Gina
Darthmyst Maria
Boywookie44 Joe
TheNinjaDeathSquad ?
Master_Sweetpea Gabriel (Gainsville Member)
Yoda1248 Joshua
Jediadigallia Tina
Quickbeam Greg
TK1162 Arthur
DestinyFroste Destiny
moshi ?
Hannibalplan ?
Jedi_Maceo Derek
Mickster Mickey
CRIMSONXXX Matt
REDEYEE Matt
District_Sidious Robert
PHATJEDI67 Darrell
Jedi_Master_DR Derrick
darkapprentice112 Chris
PostalPadawan David
FlEagle Walt
knnthp3 Ken
Vossk Justin
Ebb Thomas
RiquigonJin Riqui
Droid-Master Rob
DarthMusclePeach Brian
reporterguy Joe
hellkat ?
Lord demon William
macewindu73 Brian
Swift Rick
Carnor_Jax78 Adrian
Gunna ?
DairNimiris Dwight
Ibanez 343 Brian
Kai_Tau_Deymos Joe
i12bob1 ?
ladyvaderpl ?
Vageta021 Tim
TheOneNotChosen ?
Charber01 ?
Jedi_rouge_88 Angela
dark_reaper Kevin
MJL1138_cavaleia Melissa
Solo51 Elizabeth
out2getU2 Carina
SpongeBlob ?
JustTheTone ?
Darth_Vaderous ?
Mayhem_260 ?
JediMartyMcFly ?
JediMaster90489 Yesseni
Haydensgurl828 Amanda
anakin-and-padme Patrice
JaxAnakinSkywalker Chase
DarkTrooper85 Chris
YodaLover85 Sara
ObiWanAmanda Manda
Tokk3N ?
Jaavik Mark
Darthtengence Jason (Gainsville Member)
Pezroc ?
thespis421 ?
cha0s73 ?
Darth749 James
jmknet1 Jeff
avoidinreality Firkey
DarthVader24 Luke
Twin_Solo_Durron Sinclair
datadroid Joyce
MAGNIFICENT-SITH Terry
Jedi_Drew ?
I_H8_registering Travis
Dracul_Kun Brandon
crimsongryphon01 ?
Holomaul Robert
Sithmauler Jason
Randy1Kenobi Randy
jedificklin Mark
Thank you. Now, as I said, if I have to pick sides: Luis. But I'd rather not.
>Steve
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Anakin-and-Padme
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macewndu73 posted:
There is room in Jaxs for 2 groups is needs be.
Yes, we could do something that would seem pretty ridiculous like that OR we could all just get along and be nice to each other. Just a thought. Truly if everyone really wants to end this. If they really want to see this group excel. Stop all of the ridiculous posts right now pointing fingers here and there and kicking this and that person out and blaming this person for that, etc. We are all never going to agree, but we can agree to disagree and just move on already. Get back to trooping and meetings. Be cordial to each other at events and meetings and just plain act like adults. It really isn't that hard, but we aren't going to get anywhere (like we haven't in nearly a year on this whole topic) with any of this banter. It's a waste of time.
The only issue I can't simply let go and that needs to be addressed is the personal threat that was made to me and my children (for obvious reasons). Once that is dissolved I can be in a room with Julia all day long and be nice to her. I don't have to like her and she doesn't have to like me. We just have to act like adults. If she can do it I can do it. If she recants that statement with a simple honest apology and lets everyone know her words were in anger and not actions she intends on carrying out then I can let it go easily. I have always said "I don't hate Julia". I still don't. The only strong feelings I have about her are for the threats that were made. That's it. I gave the rest to GOD a long time ago.
Clearly the group is divided down the center on the issue of Chase and I and on the Luis issue as well. Why should the leadership go back to the "old ways" or the "new ways" referring to this past year that people have brought up here. Why can't it just be what the title of this post is. Re-vamping a group isn't kicking 2 people out. It's revamping and (get this) starting over which would mean new ways all together for everybody and the rest of these subjects get dropped never to be brought up again.
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DairNimiris posted:
To tack onto the list of things we have already discussed, nobody cares about Gotham City Limits. It is an excellent source of comics, games and collectables, but to suggest that we attend weekly meetings there to discuss, for hours, the new release of Vader Potatoe Head, is laughable. And the only reason they have since dropped from our relevant locations of interest, is because the majority of the members felt the same way. Still, it was Chase who suggested we create groups within ourselves that could specialize in the specific interests of the community so that no one would feel left out or neglected. But no one in the chain of command felt compelled to even consider the notion, and so the meetings at the comic store dwindled into oblivion without a single tear shed.
But as an aside, I feel the need to point out that the 501st is a pretentious band of glorified plastic. That they carry led coins to public bars and blatantly trivialize the sacrafice REAL service men and women endured to earn the right of a REAL officer's coin, frankly discusts me. It is not cute. It is stupid. As is the idea that if you are missing a dent on your armor, or that your visor hangs a 5th of an inch too low, that somehow you're not good enough to join their little clique. It is a disservice to any fan. Not to beat on them too much, the 501st was a delightful idea and at one time it was an organization to be proud of, but they, along with you - Luis - have lost their way. And as such, I could give a bantha's hide what they think of us.
Dwight,
I always thought we were in good standings until now. Your mindless attacks on the 501st and Gotham City Comics and its management are extremely childish. I took your senseless remarks as a personal attack on myself, others and an incredible organization.
Chase,
Please remember when trooping events that your group must first and foremost, act as an adults and not children. The majority of the time there are lots of excited children around and the individual(s) trooping the event must keep a level head on their shoulders. This means not swinging toy sabers (or anything else) around endangering the kids, adults and property around you. In case you guys are not aware, this can get you sued or worse.
I mention this because of an incident that took place at the Diabetes Walk at the zoo. A couple of guys were fighting with toy sabers (roughly) and almost hit a young girl in a stroller. We heard the mother say how she could not believe how wild the guys were acting in a public place with that many people around, and how it was a good thing the "the guys" did not hit her daughter. Just an FYI.
The 501st Legion has, nor does not affiliate themselves with the FCJK in any way at this time.
Dylan,
My name is Matt, Squad Leader of the Jacksonville and surrounding area 501st Legion.
As others have stated, I (was) an active member of this group before the new leadership came into play. At one time it was fun for me, and well, now it's not. I have continued to monitor these boards for the past many months hoping for a change and glad to finally see a moderator in to take the appropriate actions. This is clearly an issue that can easily be fixed. Allow 2 different boards for the 2 different groups. I'm sure you have considered this.
I am not sure if your position here on the FanForce boards is an elected position like ours in the Legion, but I am confident that you will take the right actions.
A fellow SW collector and fan,
REDEYE
TK/TB/TR-1741
501st Legion
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Hama
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Hi, Matt. Glad to have your insight here.
This is a situation that's been brewing for a while (and dragging on needlessly, IMO). Hopefully we'll be able to come to a resolution of some kind in the near future. Might not be pretty, but something's got to change. And soon.
I've always enjoyed working with the 501st, and found them to be an excellent, professional organization. Always glad to see you guys at Dragon*Con, Celebration, etc.
If only I had the money for armor...  
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Ok...I am only going to say this one thing...I dont have a PC right now because it crashed. I dont appreciate my personal life being dragged through the mudd on here. Also, not the its your business but there is nothing between Luis and I now. I could also let go with some secret dirt too about other members, but I think that is childish and vindictive. I have not logged onto this site for 2 months because personally I was tired of all of the drama all the way around. I have gotten rid of all of my SW stuff because of it and I do not care to participate in events, forums, or any other things that deal with this group. I am sorry to sound like this...but since I have no computer right now and I am not a "member" of the group anymore I would appreciate other members not talking about me, as i will give you the very same respect. Thank you.
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That is it!!!! I can no longer hold my tung (dont car if I spell anything right to pissed off to care) DO NOT POINT FINGERS AT OTHER MEMBERS SEMPLY BECAUSE OF YOU SHORT COMINGS OR YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THAT MEMBER, TAKE A GOOD LONG LOOK AT YOURSELF FRIST AND THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH. THERE ARE A FEW MEMBERS IN HERE I DONT CARE FOR AND THINK THAT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THEN MEAR CHILDEREN YET HIT THE AGE OF MATURITY, BUT I DONT DRAG THERE NAMES THROUGH THE DIRT WHEN EVER I GET A FART CROSSWAYS OR DONT HAVE A GOOD DAY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE DESTROYED THE FUN IN THIS GROUP AND YOUR ODVIOUSE INTINTION IS TO ELEMINATE EACH ONE OF US ONE BY ONE UNTIL THERE IS NOONE LEFT. NOW YOU RAN OFF TOO MANY PEOPLE IN FACT I FEEL THAT IF YOU ALL OPEN YOUR EYES YOU CAN SEE WHO THE BAD GUYS ARE HERE. I WASNT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING UNTILE YOU BRANG MY SISTER BACK INTO THIS. NOW BASH ME IF YOU WILL BUT THAT WILL ONLY SHOW YOUR LEVEL OF MATURITY AND PROVE MY POINT. AND IF YOU FEEL THAT I NEED TO BE KICKED OUT, THEN SO BE IT!!! GO AHEAD AND BOOT ME BECAUSE I HAVE HAD IT WITH THIS. I GO OFF ON VACATION TO ENJOY MY 21ST BIRTHDAY AND COMEBACK JUST TO SEE MORE BASHING. IF YOU ARNT MATURE ENOUGH TO NOT POST YOUR BASHING ON A PUBLIC FORUM THEN GET OFF AND GO AWAY. NOW MY FINAL THOUGHTS ARE UNTIL "CERTAIN" PEOPLE ARE REMOVED OR COOL THERE JETS I WILL JUST SING OFF UNTIL I GET A CALL AND A FORMAL APPOLOGY, UNTIL THEN
GOOD BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. Congradulations You have accomplished another objective one more pare of people out of the group.
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RedEye, as far as I'm concerned, it's people taking things too personally that got us in this situation. What was the last thing I said in my comment about the 501st? What was it because I seem to have forgotten but from what I remember it was that the organization was a wonderful idea that simply lost its way. You know what that means? It means it could be wonderful again. I am well aware that there are members of the 501st here on this board. Most of them are good and decent people. I love Steve as a brother, he is a wonderful person. Members of the 501st are WONDERFUL PEOPLE. The organization, however, has become rather snobbish. And perhaps if you'd take a few breaths and calm down enough to actually look into that, you'd understand where I'm coming from.
You still haven't read the rest of my script by the way. I'm hurt. It's been finished for some time now. I asked the 501st if there was anyone in their ranks that could help with the production. They told me "it's not the kind of project we're interested in." Forgive me for being offended. My axe isn't to grind with you. There are enough personal issues in this thread, we don't need to bring any more into it.
As for the mentioning of Luis and Amanda, I do not condone what Travis did. That was a card I neither felt relevant or appropriate.
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I too was excited to know that there was a group that enjoyed Star Wars. I don't costume at this time but I enjoy the collecting side of the group and I liked meeting at Gotham City to find out what Master Replicas offered and the discount program offered at Gotham and to hear about up coming events. It was fun to meet Julia and Luis, who both made me feel welcome as part of the group. I have not participated in the group since this incident. It's sad because I just started to meet other people and to see everyone once a month. At the present I don't feel the current group offers the two sided coin that I liked before. The group I joined seemed to understand that some members liked collecting and others did both. We all got along and if something needed to be done it seemed and felt that it would be done. No one seemed to stress out the small stuff and blow things up. I would like a return to those times where both collecting and costuming worked.
Julia and Luis, I hope to see you back in the group soon.
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