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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 2/7/03 2:59pm Subject: Literature Forum project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion - Date Edited: 10/8 10:56pm (5 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Why? I'm sick and I'm bored. Now, I did something like this in the past, but it was much more limited in scope. Given as how this war is the most devastating the Galaxy has seen since the Clone wars, I thought it would be a good idea to try to figure out how many have died (both the GFFA and the Yuuzhan Vong). I was inspired by Sturm Antilies' thread so you can blame him for this if it fails. There will be four main categories (Vong mil \| civ.; GFFA mil \| civ), with possible sub categories later on (Jedi losses vs. Vong ground losses). Yuuzhan Vong military losses. I'll start off with the biggest battles and we'll work down from there to smaller ones, and eventually estimations of Vong losses we've heard about but not actually seen. Same for GFFA military. Now, the average I got for the big Vong military losses comes from NJO sourcebook information. A Vong ship has a low of 100 crew (minimally crewed corvette) to a high of 10,000 (Yuuzhan Vong troop carriers). The majority of Vong warships have a crew of 1000-2000. Seeing as how its impossible to figure exactly the number of Vong on each ship. 1,500 is a good low end average for calculating, with many small ships (less than 2,000) balancing out the fewer large ships (greater than 2,000). So for the sake of these calculations unless it is a special ship (Like Czulkang Lah's worldship), the average Vong ship has a crew of 1,500. Smaller battles (Ithor, Garqi, Ord Mantell etc) are not included for the time being because those losses can be found exactly. i.e. the number & class of the ships destroyed are listed. So let's get cracking. Remember, biggest battles first, then working down from there. Vector Prime: Three Yuuzhan Vong Worldships with a crew of 5,000 each. Several dozen corvettes 24 X 100 (average Vong corvette crew) and 3,000 coral skippers (1,000 per worldship). (specific crew number by Prefect Da'gara) 15,000 + 2,400 + 3,000 = approximately 20,400 Yuuzhan Vong killed in Vector Prime. Not a bad way to start a war. Jedi Eclipse: Biggest Vong defeat yet, but at a high price. "Several hundred" Vong warships attacked Fondor. A reasonable estimate would be 500 enemy warships with full fighter support. Estimated losses done by Republic fleet, 10% (fierce resistance but not enough to stop the attack), losses from Centerpoint 50%. Approx Vong losses 60% X 500 = 300 warships destroyed. 300 X 1500 = 450,000 Vong KIA Total for book = 450,000 Total for series = 470,400 Star by Star: Arkania Large feint with high losses. Estimated fleet size 5,000, estimated losses 100. 100 X 1500 = 150,000 Borelis High losses due to Dovin basil breach of the minefeild. 100 X 1500 = 150,000 Losses to three Vong assault divisions (30,000), "The infidels are putting up stiff resistance", for a Vong that's a LOT. 15,000 vong KIA Total losses 165,000. Next massive engagement Black Bantha. -"1,000 warships with more arriving every mineut!" Estimated Yuuzahn Vong fleet size 1,250. A complete massacre. 1,250 X 1500 = 1,875,000 Battle of Coruscant Estimated Vong fleet at 25,000 ships. -"Tens of thousands of ships with more arriving any second". 1/2 the fleet destroyed by fleet groups 1-3 before reaching Coruscant airspace. 12,500 ships lost. 1,000 lost to mines. 500 lost to Bel Iblis' kamakazi charge. 500 lost to remaining orbital platforms and fleet groups. total fleet losses 14,500 ships 1,500 X 14,500 21,750,000 Two waves of dropships destroyed = approx 200,000 KIA. 25,000 troops killed by Borsk Felya. Another 50,000 securing the planet (low end estimate) 275,000 KIA Total losses for the invasion of Coruscant 22,025,000 KIA Total book losses: 24,215,000 Total series losses: 24,685,400 Borelis: Lusankya ambush: 36 warships approx (dozens of ships blinking from white to red) 2/3's destroyed. 24 X 1,500 = 36,000. Czulkang Lah's worldship, SSD-Death Star evqivilant. Approx KIA, 250,000. Approx of other capital ship losses other than those specifically mentioned in book, 12. 13,000 Approx KIA exempting specific kills, 299,000 for book total for series: 24,984,400 Ebaq IX: Estimated Vong fleet size, smaller than the one that took Coruscant but "In numbers that hadn't been seen since Coruscant." Approx 20,000 40% Vong fleet losses (1/3 + 1/3 of Lah's group which was 1/5 of the fleet give or take) 12,000,000 approx losses plus 20,000 ground troops. losses for series: 37,004,400 Battle of Borosk Larger than the Imperial fleet which was 4 full imperial fleets (1 fleet = Six Star Destroyers with escorts) with perhapes two escorts each 72 total for imps. Estimated Vong fleet size, 144. Approximately 40% killed in battle and/or destroyed while retreating. More were destroyed attacking the Yaga Minor ship yards. Approx 57 Vong ships destroyed. 57 X 1,500 = 85,500 Series losses total: 37,089,900 Yuuzhan Vong civilian losses. 12,000 KIA on Nen Yim's worldship "They had killed them, ALL of the Vong on ships to poor and old to achive faster than light speed."- approx 10,000,000 Shamed ones KIA due to suffication, starvation etc. Due to the fact that virtually the entire "non useful Shamed" (i.e. not critical to the war effort as labor) population were on these ships. This is a low end estimate again. total Vong civilian losses 10,012,000. GRAND TOTAL OF ALL YUUZHAN VONG KILLED IN MASSIVE ENGAGEMENTS: APPROX 47,101,900 Next installment, medium sized battles, and after that, estimates for galaxy wide skirmishes. If I've made a math mistake, let me know. Other wise, rest easy in the fact that the Vong have been getting their asses kicked. -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 2/7/03 3:29pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion - Date Edited: 2/7/03 3:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Dude, I was so gonna post a thread just like this (though Vong-only)- kudos! Man, that's alot dead Vong. Though, if they were a galaxy-wide species, that could be only a small fraction of whats at their disposal- especially when you factor in Reptoids and such. I mean, Earth alone has, what? 3 billion people. If the Vong have even just that much for their entire population, only 1/60th of their population has been killed...even if you factor out the non-combatants like shamed ones, that's still alot of Vong left. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Nerak Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 2/7/03 3:44pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	Dude, thats a high number. Spell it out though. Whats the right way to say it. -----signature----- ----------------------------------- "I got to save you" - luke skywalker "You already have son, you already have Tell your sister you were right about me" - Anakin skywalker The Return of the Jedi - Death Star
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Lord_of_the_Siths Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 2/7/03 3:57pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	I mean, Earth alone has, what? 3 billion people. If the Vong have even just that much for their entire population, only 1/60th of their population has been killed...even if you factor out the non-combatants like shamed ones, that's still alot of Vong left. Earth actually has close to 6 billion. Anyways, in DW, Ackbar says that they had killed one-third of the Vong. So if you subtract the loses during DW and FH1, then multiply by three i guess that would give their approximate number at the start of the invasion. Then subtract your number there and that would be how many YV are left. Approximatly. -----signature----- "May the Force be with you, Meatbag." "Quit struggling. You were dead the moment you met me...." - Durge
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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 2/7/03 4:20pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion - Date Edited: 2/7/03 4:33pm (2 edits total) Edited By: masterskywalker
	Actually, most of the colonies in the galaxy only have millions, not billions of residents. 47 million (to answer your question Nerak ) dead Vong might not seem like a huge number. But remember, they wiped out most of their own civilization before entering the GFFA. What we're seeing is a "technologically" advanced remnant of a species. Actually, Ackbar said they've killed 1/3 of their warriors. There are five Yuuzhan Vong castes though, Preist, Intendant, Warrior, Shaper, and Shamed Ones. We haven't finished with total military Vong losses yet. Once we are, we can just X 3 to get a resonable estimate for how many Vong warriors there are. Hey, at least it's FAR higher than "1.2 million" Clones. Tommorow I'll start on the smaller battles. -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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Terranix Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 2/8/03 4:09am Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	Actually, I think those estimates are a little low. I'd say that your average worldship would have a population adding up to that of a small country, at least. Perhaps 3 million apiece. -----signature----- For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace & justice in the old Republic. Before the Dark Times. Before the Empire. - Obi-Wan Kenobi ~ http://hangarbay.tripod.com
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The Gatherer Title: Manager Emeritus/TF.N Books Staff Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 2/8/03 4:31am Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	Wow... I didn't realise that the casualties would be so high! GREAT PROJECT! -----signature----- Co-Author - Timetales http://www.theforce.net/timetales ----------------------------------------------- TFN Books Contributor http://www.theforce.net/books
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chiss_man Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 2/8/03 8:34am Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	Wow, I didn't realize how bad Vong losses were. I'm interested to see NR losses in comparison to that number. Great idea! -----signature----- This post is brought to you live!
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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 2/8/03 1:31pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	The next installment is coming later to day. With the smaller battles of Dantooine, Garqi, Ithor and Ord Mantell, I may consider increase the predicted causalties for the worldship bound Shamed Ones because 10 million is pretty conservative (considering how Shimrra said they ALL died every single one on the old and poor worldships). -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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Gandalf the Grey Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 2/8/03 1:36pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	How about the Republic? Coruscant alone accounts for probably 500,000,000,000 deaths at this point. -----signature----- I play far, far too much World of Warcraft. L70s on Staghelm: Hopefire (Paladin), Silverbow (Hunter), Shadowhope (Rogue), Silverfire (Mage)
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farraday Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 2/8/03 7:20pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion - Date Edited: 2/8/03 7:26pm (1 edits total) Edited By: farraday
	The NR deaths have to have been supplimented by the complete destruction of any logistics and supply combined with the requirement to feed billions/trillions of refugees and the neccesity of transfering existing transporting capability to military useage and even worse refugee transportaiton gives you a logistics problem that's not only been completely ignored, but that would be impossible for a good government to handle, much less the bumbling corruption of the NR. My best estimate for NR Civilian from direct Vong action is in the tens to hundred of billions. The indirect deaths caused by population movement, the disease and conditions in the refugee camps, the lack of food and other problems puts the estimated civilian deaths in the tens probably hundreds of trillians. This is of course probably a low ball estimates assumign the vong have actually occupied every world in their territory combined with no estimate of the population of the galaxy or any firm idea on how things have actually transpired that don't directly relate to Jedi love triangles. In any case the number of deaths, even assuming the Vong all disappeared at the end of Heretic, would be in the quadrillions as it would be literally impossible to suddenly turn everythign around to deal with the vast humanitarian(and alientarian?) crisis that has built up during the invasion. Numbers so large that literally have no meaning to us. -----signature----- Not photoshopped, digitally enhanced or altered.
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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 2/8/03 8:43pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion - Date Edited: 2/8/03 9:17pm (4 edits total) Edited By: masterskywalker
	Unlike the New Republic/Galactic Alliance military which frequently has kill ratios very much in their favor in regaurds to the Vong military, New Republic civilans casualties have been catastrophic. 60 billion died on Coruscant alone, fortunately, the other 940 billion are still alive. Small consolation though. Small battles: (Note: all kills made by Jedi/starfighters in vector prime are part of the prior crew counts so they are unlisted for the sake of accuracy) Drubrillion: approx 24 coralskippers destroyed by Lando's mobile cannon ambushes. Reasonable to say the least. Dantooine (and prior battles): 2 killed by Corran Horn 2 killed by Anakin Solo 2 killed by Luke Skywalker 1 killed by Jacen Solo 8 Vong killed in their ground vehicles, 6 in the small ones, 2 in the Rakamaut. 6 infiltrators. 24 coral skippers shot down by the Rogues. A Vong crusier heavily damaged, say, half were killed so that would be approx 650 KIA. Grand total for first two books: 719 KIA Vong Ithor & Garqi 10 Yuuzhan Vong killed by Jedi/Noghiri/resistance fighters. 72 fighters approx killed by combined rogue squadron/Chiss squadrons 1 Vong corvette destroyed: 100 KIA 2 Vong light cruisers and 1 corvette destroyed: 1100. 1 Vong grand cruiser fully crewed and staffed. 6,000 KIA. 144 approx Vong fighters destroyed Approx 90 Vong killed by Corran's trap, NR commandos and Noghiri on the ground. 12 Vong killed on Ithorian herdship by Luke Skywalker and his Jedi. Book total: 7528 KIA. 8247 combined losses. Ord Mantell (and prior battles) 13 Yuuzhan Vong killed in the atempt on Elan. 500 killed on Vong spawn ship. 36 fighters destroyed in feinted recovery of Elan + 1 Vong agent. (forgot yomin carr too) +1 144 fighters destroyed at Ord Mantell approx 2 corvettes = 200 2 frigates = 400 1 light cruiser = 500 heavy damage to heavy cruiser = 600 10,642 approx Vong losses for DT:O through AoC: HT 500 Yuuzahn Vong killed approx invading Gydine (feirce resistance from ground defenders and four Jedi ground pilots) 72 fighters destroyed approx 1 frigate destroyed, 200. 2000 from other capship kills (large fleet action in space at the time) 8 killed by Kyp's dozen 30 killed by Kyp & Ganner & The dozen 12 killed by Kyp & Ganner & Randa 13,464 killed by end of AoC:JE Current Yuuzhan Vong miltary losses grand total stands at: 47,115,364 Edit: I just remembered I forgot to account for fighter losses. I add up all the capital ships for the biggest battles and times-ed by an average of 36 coralskipper per ship (another low end estimate). That means the Vong have lost approx 631,521 figher pilots in the biggest battles of the war so far. New revisted total: 47,746,912 -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 2/9/03 7:37am Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	2 corvettes = 200 2 frigates = 400 1 light cruiser = 500 heavy damage to heavy cruiser = 600 Actuals: - Transports (Yorik-trema) == 4 Crew, 36 Passengers. - Spy Ship [Asteroid; EoV] (Yorik-stronha) == 12 Crew, 12 Passengers. - Corvettes == 110 Crew, 225 Passengers. No skips. - Frigates == 225 Crew, 370 Passengers. No skips. - Fighter Carrier (A-vek Iiluunu) == 320 Crew, 480 Passengers. 144 Coralskippers. - Gunships [Light Light Cruisers] (Uumufalh) == 335 Crew, 840 Passengers. No skips. - Light [Standard] Cruiser (Ban D'Krid) == 480 Crew, 1,930 Passengers. 36 Coralskippers. - Freighters (Sh'pa Spawn) == 525 Crew, 2,044 Passengers. - Interdictor (Vua'spar) == 638 Crew, 1,144 Passengers. 36 Coralskippers. Interdictor. [Tsavong Lah's Sunulok flagship is this type of vessel] - Medium (Miid Ro'ik Warship) Cruiser == 1,280 Crew, 1,950 Passengers. 72 Coralskippers. Interdictors. - Battleship (Uro'ik V'alh) == 1,640 Crew, 3,150 Passengers. - Heavy (Kor Chokk Grand Cruiser) Cruiser == 2,140 Crew, 4,460 Passengers. 216 Coralskippers. 30 Transports. -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 2/9/03 10:45am Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	Remember, these are approximations, so I rounded the numbers down so they'd be easier to work with. I also rounded down to insure that I didn't overestimate how many Vong have been killed. And there's no way I'm doing all that multiplying again, even with a calculator. Approximate is the word of the day. I'm suprised no one's commented on their fighter losses. Losing 600,000 fighter pilots is nothing to sneeze at. -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 2/9/03 5:02pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	::ah-choo:: -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Errant_Venture Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 2/9/03 5:33pm Subject: RE: Literature Fourm project: Casualty estimates for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
	I don't think 600,000 Skip pilots is a big loss to the Vong. The Yammosk seems to be the perfect fighting coordinator, and when it's knocked out the pilots skill just reachs untrained levels. Thus, I think any Vong could pilot a Coralskipper with Yammosk coordination. -----signature----- BSG Costume Group. Join the Fleet! http://www.colonialfleet.org REMOVE EV FROM POWAR PETITION http://www.petitiononline.com/nmev j00 bastards. it worked. Go frak yourself.
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