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Rogue_Ten Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 5/18/03 3:34pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	I wanna see a Galaxy of Fear version. I actually enjoyed GF the first time I read it, (I was nine or ten), but I thought GoDV was stupid, and I read that series before I read GF. In conclusion: NiGhTmaRe maChInE oWnZ j00z!! 1!11!1!... ...but... ...If the Glove don't fit, you full a ****! -----signature----- Hey. It's been two months. Whutdupwitdat. Send the above request? No_______Yes
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Tiershon_Fett Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 5/18/03 3:48pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask... Why was it ever published? -----signature----- It's been an experience. 8000, and done!
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Rogue_Ten Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 5/18/03 4:07pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	It's all part of the Majestic Twelve's plot to take over the world... -----signature----- Hey. It's been two months. Whutdupwitdat. Send the above request? No_______Yes
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TalonCard Title: •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 5/18/03 10:19pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	Thanks for the positive comments, everyone! And thanks to Valiento for fielding the continuity questions, and for letting me know about the whole warlord thing. Mr44, and Rogue_Ten--Yes! I love the GOF books in all their Goosebumby glory (I swear, the reason GODV takes all the heat is because hardly anyone has read the entire GOF series!) I'd love to do a GOF version. You know, I read all of those books out loud to my younger siblings, complete with special voices for Tash and Hoole! Tiershon_Fett: That's the Great Unanswered Question of Star Wars! Glove of Darth Vader: Chapter Two: Lightning Power of the Dark Side The Falcon soon arrives in Kessel space. Han and Chewie hide the ship in a huge electrical storm in Kessel's "outer atmosphere" (which isn't much of an outer atmosphere, but it's not bad for what it is). Han ejects the Droid pod, and the crew of the Falcon go on their merry way to Bespin. You'd best say your goodbyes to Han, Chewie and Lando now, because we won't hear from them for the rest of the book. Anyway, the pod "bounced into a rocky mountainside, rolled into a few bushy Kesselian trees," "WAIT a minute!" I hear you say, "TREES on KESSEL?! This can't be right! It must be Infinities!" Well, hold your horses. In spite of the fact that Kessel has only an artificial atmosphere, Kessel does have a few forms of flora, including trees, bushes, and at least one Giant Fungi Forest. (Jedi Search also describes "a few hardy transplanted weeds".) What is not known is whether these plants have evolved naturally on Kessel, or whether they were introduced by settlers. At this point in time, the Imperial rulers of Kessel have the atmosphere factories running at full tilt, so that people can walk around and breathe the air, and this oxygen would also support plant life. When Moruth Doole (another "hardy transplanted weed") took over later, he reduced the output, so most of these plants probably died off. Artoo and Threepio make their way through a secret tunnel, traveling to the capital city of Kessel--Kessendra. Their destination is a stadium--Kessendra Stadium, the name of which demonstrates a distinct lack of creativity in whoever named these places--where the Big Imperial Gathering is taking place. The scene in Kessendra stadium is one of the better ones in GODV, the huge stadium, filled to the brim with Imperial scum and villianary, makes for quite a dramatic picture, at least until someone starts talking. Someone does, unfortunately, and that someone if Grand Moff Bertroff Hissa. We'll probe in depth into Hissa's character in a moment, but for now, let's take a look at his opening speech: "...to my fellow grand moffs, and to the grand admirals, other officers, stormtroopers, bounty hunters, slavelords, and slaves, I bid you all Dark Greetings!" Wow! Berty Hissa is quite the orator, wouldn't you say? What an opening! Note the reference to Grand Admirals. Contrary to popular belief, and whatever unprintable things some may choose to say about them, the Davids did do their research. Of the eight surviving Grand Admirals, at least two and possibly as many as four are present. Grand Moff Hissa goes on: "We have gathered here today to mark a new beginning,"..."The destruction of our latest Death Star was but a temporary setback." Long time Lit forum regulars may note the similarities in Hissa's speech to the posts of some of the Imperial fanatics. "The Rebels have yet to see the full fury of our power and our might. We are developing even more advanced weapons, and when we are done, we shall rule the entire galaxy and crush the Rebel Alliance." This is news. Although the Empire was indeed developing more advanced weapons at this point in time, such development was being carried out in secret; under Palpatine's supervision at Byss and in Maw Installation. There's no way the Central Committee could have known about these weapons programs, and the only superweapon produced by the Empire during this period was a carbon-copy of the original Death Star, absurd as that may seem. (I'm sure that whoever dropped the torpedo that killed that baby was laughing all the way.) All things considered, its likely that Hissa is spouting propaganda at this point, hoping to lure the Imperial warlords to his side. :"The Central Committee of Grand Moffs has summoned you all here for this meeting to announce you new leader," Here we go! The good stuff! "Even though Emperor Palpatine is dead, his line continues. For many years you have heard rumors that the Emperor had a son. But our departed Emperor and the Central Committee of Grand Moffs always denied those rumors, for reasons of Imperial security. However, today I am authorized to inform you that the Emperor did indeed have a son--a son who shall be our new chosen one!" Hmm... Chosen One? The connection to the prequels was probably unintentional, but an EU author could weave an interesting story around this idea. The Imps present are all surprised at this revelation, while Roganda Ismaren, who had been trying for months to pass her son off as Palpatine's heir, is probably pulling her hair out right about now. "The Emperor's son has lived among you on Kessel for many years now, keeping his true identity a carefully guarded secret,"..."And now at last the time has come for the Emperor's son to take his rightful place as heir to the Empire." At this point, a Grand Admiral cannot stand the suspense any longer (this guy's no Willy Wonka) and cries out "Who is the Emperor's son?" A good question. The answer will not be given for a while yet, but Hissa promptly presents a new character, Trioculus, as Palpatine's son and new ruler of the Empire. We'll break here for a moment to explain away a point of contention among many EU fans, that is, why the Empire is in control of Kessel when Moruth Doole was supposed to have taken over long before this. The EU has already provided the answer, but I'll summarize: Spotlight: The Imperial Rule of Kessel In the days of the Empire, Kessel was ruled by Grand Moff Bertroff Hissa. Hissa was an alien who, like Grand Admiral Thrawn and General Sk'ar, had managed to rise through the ranks of the anti-alien Empire to a powerful position. Like Thrawn and Sk'ar, Bertroff was given a backwater assignment--but an important one. He ruled from the capital city of Kessendra on Kessel, maintaining a stranglehold on the spice mining operations, and controlling the slavelords who dominated much of the planet. Hissa's friends were few, but notable. One, his trusted correspondent, was Governor Qour Matrin. Another was the mutant overseer Trioculus. Hissa respected Trioculus's dedication to the Empire, and was influential in the appointment of Trioculus to the position of Lord Overseer and Supreme Slavelord. At the height of their rule, the atmosphere factories ran at full capacity, enabling citizens of Kessendra to breathe without the aid of breath masks, and permitting the construction of the open-air Kessendra Stadium. How they solved the radiation problem is anyone's guess; presumably Kessendra and the surrounding area were equipped with large shields for just that purpose (otherwise we'd be seeing a lot more three-eyed people; if you catch my drift). Hissa and Trioculus evidently planned to move on to bigger and better things quite soon; at the rate those atmosphere factories must be catalyzing the bedrock, Kessel would have become the Kessel Asteroid Belt before too long. With their attentions focused on improving their own power bases, they failed to notice the machinations of the Rybet Moruth Doole. Not long after the Battle of Yavin, Doole staged a prison revolt, and took over a good half of Kessel. Although the planet was still Imperial in name, only the side of Kessel controlled by the slave lords was still under Imperial control. By the time Trioculus could even begin to think about retaliating, the Empire was thrown into chaos after the destruction of the first Death Star. (I've added some conjecture here as to when some of these events take place and how they interrelate to each other, but all can be traced to valid sources.) Following that incident, slave rebellions and discontent among the settlers reached such levels that Kessel became known as a Rebel world in some circles. Trioculus massacred settlers and slaves alike, but it took a visit from Darth Vader's Captain Bzorn to quash the uprisings. By the time the dust cleared, Doole was firmly entrenched on his side of the planet. Rather than expend his military forces in an attempt to oust the Rybet, Trioculus continued to expand his power base in the Empire at large, earning allies among the other Grand Moffs, waiting for his chance to take center stage. And so here he is, the Central Committee's brand new figurehea-er, I mean, Emperor. This is an important moment in the EU; Trioculus is one of only two who would lay claim to the title of Emperor after the battle of Endor. (Since the Emperor Palpatine is still alive, more or less, this claim is pretty much baseless, but still notable--you are taking notes, aren't you?) Threepio is quite startled by this turn of events: "...[Trioculus is a] mutant--part human part alien,"... ..."Quite surprising. I've certainly never heard any gossip that Emperor Palpatine had a son by a three-eyed alien women. Have you?" This line has led to some speculation among fans regarding to Senator Palpatine's relations with the Gran delegation, which I cannot explore further without smashing the boundaries of good taste into tiny pieces. Artoo explains that some old Imperial stormtroopers did believe that the Emperor had a son who lived on Kessel, but no evidence had ever turned up to support their claims. One wonders how "old" some of the stormtroopers are, and whether they could be clones from Kamino... Artoo also tells the life story of Trioculus. It turns out that Trioculus is not evil, just misunderstood. You see, he was the only mutant in his school on Kessel, and as such he was teased and hit constantly by the other students who made fun of his third eye. (I am seriously not making any of this up.) One can imagine Trioculus as a young man, bullied at school, greeted in every class by cries of "Three eyes!" It's little wonder that he became obsessed with taking revenge. He became a bully and a tattletale. Since Kessel was under Imperial rule, there was a plethora of job opportunities for a skilled bully and tattletale. And so, with the help of Grand Moff Hissa, the young mutant became Supreme Slavelord, and now Emperor. Hissa, being an alien, undoubtedly emphasized with Trioculus, and they may even have met in therapy. But Trioculus isn't just a bully, he's also a great speechmaker, as evidenced by this line: "My father, the Emperor, had many powers of the Dark Side. But without three eyes he could never achieve perfection. It was known by the ancients that a Dark Lord with three eyes has a secret strength possessed by none other." I'm sure that many historians questioned these claims (what ancients, exactly, is Trioculus referring to anyway? For all we know, he could mean the old geezers at the Tatooine Retirement Home for Aged Aliens.) I'm equally sure that these historians ended up sleeping with the energy spiders, if you know what I mean. Indeed, Trioculus is quickly questioned by an Imperial Royal Guard and a Grand Admiral. The Royal Guard has been to the planet Gargon, where Grand Admiral Josef Grunger has massed "a fleet of thirty star destroyers". That includes both Victory and Imperial class, and does not include the Super Star Destroyer Aggressor, which serves as Grunger's flagship. Not surprisingly, Grunger claims to be the new Imperial ruler (and how can you argue with a guy with thirty Star Destroyers?) Gargon itself is a major spice-producer in the Mandalore sector, as well as a supplier of Phobium, which was used to coat the power core of the Death Star II. Grunger is a major power in the galaxy at this point, and a very real threat to Trioculus' Empire. Trioculus, of course, says that he will deal with Grunger (what else can he say?) but he's not really in any state to do so yet. The Grand Admiral, on the other hand, brings up about Kadann's prophecy. Really, Trioculus, darling, however can you expect to rule the galaxy without first possessing the glove of Darth Vader? Tut tut. Clearly (and predictably) the Prophets are turning on the Intelligence agents who set them up to support to Central Committee ("Imperial Intelligence" being something of a misnomer.) Trioculus rewards the inquisitive Guard and Grand Admiral with a dose of blue lightening, though he stops short of killing them. It is not known who, exactly, this Imperial Guard is. He could be an out-of-the-loop traitor, he could be someone posing as an Imperial Guard, or he could be a Guard ordered by Palpatine to disrupt and confuse the various warlords. The Grand Admiral is easier to identify, but not conclusively. There's only one Grand Admiral confirmed as having been at the Kessel convocation, and that's Miltin Takel, who doesn't look much like the Grand Admiral in the illustration accompanying this scene. He could be Rufaan Tigellinus, who was being courted by Moff Hissa, or Danetta Pitta, ruler of the Corellian Sector. My personal vote goes for Grand Admiral Syn, a noted devotee of the Church of the Dark Side. After this electrifying demonstration, the Imperial present rally around Trioculus, pledging their support to the new Emperor, and, by extension, the Central Committee. Isard is a forceful leader, but she isn't the sort of person one can relate to. By using the "son of Palpatine" as their leader, the Central Committee has gained more support than Isard can afford to ignore. Artoo and Threepio decide that they have heard enough for now, and skedaddle back to the secret passage--only to find stormtroopers blocking it up! Oh no! Will the dynamic duo escape the Planet of the Three Eyed Slavelord? Is the Alliance doomed to bow before a tropic Emperor? Find out in the next edition of Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About GODV But Were Afraid To Ask, same Moff time, same Moff channel! TC -----signature----- Death in the Slave Pits: http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/fiction/feature20090531/index.html GODV Guide: www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/main.html Hyperspace Blog: http://blogs.starwars.com/taloncard
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 5/18/03 10:52pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask... - Date Edited: 5/18/03 10:53pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
	"this oxygen would also support plant life." Plants don't breath oxygen, you do know that right? Plants use Carbon Dioxide, or a few other things, but not oxygen. Learn more about different kinds of plants here
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TalonCard Title: •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 5/18/03 11:04pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	Er, yeah. I knew that. Of course I knew that. But you see, Star Wars plants actually need oxygen to... Aw, heck. That was a stupid mistake. I have got to stop writing these things in the wee hours of the night. What I was thinking that if people were breathing into oxygen masks, they wouldn't be giving off carbon dioxide. Of course, since I was tired, this wasn't reflected in what I actually wrote. This also shows that I fail to grasp the processes by which breath masks function, and that I assumed that the atmosphere generators would be producing carbon dioxide... Yeah. I goofed. LOL! I throw myself upon the mercy of the forum! TC -----signature----- Death in the Slave Pits: http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/fiction/feature20090531/index.html GODV Guide: www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/main.html Hyperspace Blog: http://blogs.starwars.com/taloncard
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 5/18/03 11:14pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask... - Date Edited: 5/19/03 12:03am (3 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
	I think the best explaination is that they are; Saprophytic Plants The other type of plants that don't use CO2 are the saprophytic plants. These are also not green, can't do photosynthesis, and therefore, also cannot use CO2. These guys are not parasites though. They are more like fungus, in that they live off dead inorganic matter. Fungus and saprophytes often live together and apparently help each other. The fungus helps the saprophytes by excreting digestive enzymes that help the saprophyte "eat" its food, and the saprophytes somehow provide carbohydrates to the fungus. So the local fungus assists the plants and the plants assist the fungus in a mutual symbiotic relationship. They wouldn't need carbon dioxide either. In this explaination the various plants and fungi could be natural to the planet's low atmosphere, having evolved to survive in the hostile environment(minus the few plants we know were transplanted). Also about hissa, he is mostly human, he only "possessed a bit of alien blood"-Guide to Star Wars Universe 3rd edition. Where did you get the information that it was hard for him to work his way up to grand moff? From what I've read it doesn't appear as difficult for people that are mostly human to move up, such as the nykes(or is that mykes?), only for those that are purely alien.
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TalonCard Title: •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 5/19/03 12:14am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	The Grand Admiral article in Insider #66 describes Hissa as an alien, so I assumed that this was how the Empire at large saw him. I actually didn't have any information indicating that it was hard for Hissa to work his way up to Grand Moff, although that is what personally believe, but you'll note that I don't actually state that he did: "Hissa was an alien who, like Grand Admiral Thrawn and General Sk'ar, had managed to rise through the ranks of the anti-alien Empire to a powerful position. " The majority of the Imperial ruling class is anti-alien, so I feel it likely that Hissa, who, unlike Grand Admiral Pitta, had visible alien attributes and so was grouped in with the aliens in the eyes of the Empire. Trioculus experienced similar discrimination, and so I think that this was one reason he and Hissa seem to hit it off (but I'm careful not to state it as fact.) TC -----signature----- Death in the Slave Pits: http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/fiction/feature20090531/index.html GODV Guide: www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/main.html Hyperspace Blog: http://blogs.starwars.com/taloncard
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J_K_DART Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 5/19/03 4:28am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	Hmmp, I'm glad you started this thread; I was mostly unaware of this lot lol! -----signature----- "Victory without risk is like a pizza without pepperoni." "I like my pizzas without pepperoni." "Sir master of the long post" - Excellence
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Q99213 Title: Retired Chapter Rep Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/19/03 4:55am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	Oh man, these books were horrible! I'll have to read through this thread and see if they're redeamed at all. -----signature----- www.rppfilms.com Rebel Legion Clone Costume Judge
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JediTrilobite Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 5/19/03 5:04am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	why isn't the GoDV series put in the timeline included in NJO books Because those books suck. -----signature----- Ever wonder what happened during the clone wars? Visit: http://www.theclonewarz.net My Blogs: http://www.jeditrilobite.com , http://tk3220.wordpress.com TK-3220, NEG VT Rep
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A-WingsRule Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 5/19/03 8:33am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	Mmm...they forgot to leave in the all important final line of the series... And then Jar-Jar woke up and found out that it was all a nasty dream. -----signature----- rooty legend 2, njofc
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Q99213 Title: Retired Chapter Rep Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/19/03 9:13am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	LOL! -----signature----- www.rppfilms.com Rebel Legion Clone Costume Judge
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 5/19/03 9:37am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask... - Date Edited: 5/19/03 9:41am (2 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
	Maybe that's because Jar-Jar didn't exist back then. You can't forget to put something in, that doesn't exist in the first place.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/19/03 9:58pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
	Well actually I liked the books because I thought they were fun reading in the vein of comic books when I first read them. A neat entry point for the continuing adventures of Han and Leia and Luke. Lets not forget the Glove books actually gave Star Wars some very good stuff. It gave us the planet Duros, the planet Chadd, Human replica droids (BEFORE shadows of the Empire), the Hodin race, holographic funworld (which is a fun concept), got Lando off Bespin, and showed Leia as a jedi. I am looking forward to the answers to these questions though * Why the heck is everything called Moff-before the normal name for it. Mofference, Moffel, Moffship * Why is a Grand Moff drinking in the Mos Eisley cantina and no one thinks its slightly odd * Does it strike you odd that there's an Imperial Smuggling whale meat market on the most firmly controlled rebel world in the galaxy * How successful can a religion be that worships the star wars equivalent of the Devil? * Why exactly was Hissa going along with Triculous's plan to marry Princess Leia? * What was the REAL reason behind the grand Admirals execution * Whatever did happen to Triclops and was Ken killed by Anakin solo in a lightsaber duel, thus making him fufill the prophecy about him being the greatest jedi ever In any case I thought the idea of a conspiracy of Grand Moffs trying to rule the empire is quite cool....it also explains quite handily what happened to one ofthe most powerful forces in the empire
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