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Senator_Cilghal  4187 posts
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Date Posted: 3/29/04 10:34am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
Thaks for the correction, Val.

 

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TalonCard  7500 posts
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Date Posted: 3/29/04 11:40pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
There *is* a planet with mushroom forests in the GODV series. I don't recall the name offhand, but the spiders who live there got a write-up in TEGTAS.

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Valiento  25674 posts
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Date Posted: 3/30/04 12:05am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
Its a planet with giant mushrooms. But I don't think it was described as being a forest of them however...?

 

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Nightowl  1443 posts
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Date Posted: 3/31/04 7:39pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
Let's see if I can jumpstart this thread some...Ahem:

The Glove of Darth Vader, Chapter Four: Endangered Whaladons

The Empire’s stock of probe droids takes a severe depleting, as hundreds upon hundreds of the little gobbling machines are spit out into space in search of Darth Vader’s glove. (Which kinda gives new perspective to the whole “needle in a haystack” thing.) Logically the probe droids would be sent out in the general direction of Endor and the worlds surrounding it (Annaj, Bakura, Firriere, Rattatak). But our would-be Emperor is nothing if not thorough – he sends the probe droids in every single direction, through each general area of the SW galaxy! Even if they can’t find the glove, they might be able to give him some other useful info, right? In the meantime, Trioculus decides against moving to Hoth just yet. (Wampas and blizzards can wait.)

Yet all they’re turning up is crap. Death Star debris, runaway prisoners, unexploded bombs, Alliance starships (hey, what would an Imperial warlord do with that kind of info anyway?), bounty hunters stealing Imperial weapons -- stuff which Ysanne Isard, Lord Shadowspawn and Warlord Zsinj would kill for. But it means nothing to Trioculus, not even that missing command speeder that went racing off into a dangerous, radioactive asteroid belt at the first sign of the metal squid. He wants the glove!

Being 2 legit 2 quit, Trioculus takes out his frustrations on poor giant fezfe beetles in the mountains of Kessel. He nails three, earning the rave reviews of Grand Admiral Hissa, but it ain’t pleasing our three eyed man. He wants something bigger, nastier, more dangerous to kill. Something like the star dragons of the Cona ammonia jungles, maybe. Before Hissa can set that up though (or even suggest a krayt dragon of Tatooine or a Dathomir rancor), Trioculus changes topics and asks: “Have any more troops questioned my right to be Emperor?”

Hissa notes that even the stormtroopers, that most fanatically mindlessly loyal segment of the Imperial populace, are bitching about their new three-eyed master. “I want their names,” Trioculus snarls. “Their treason shall be punished!”

Not bothering to mention that stormtroopers don’t have names (only numbers), Hissa brings up that a salvage ship found what looked like a glove this morning – turned out to be only a rusty old droid’s hand. Trioculus could give a $#!^ about that. He wants the glove, and wants it now! NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!

Anyway. Returning to his sleek black palace from his third beetle hunt, Trioculus and his whipping boy are met by an agent from Mon Calamari. He came in a Carrack cruiser filled to bursting with the delicacy of delicacies – huge hunks of fresh Whaladon meat! While the meat’s gone to the palace kitchen, the agent delivers a holodisc to Trioculus while Hissa fills out the delivery paperwork. (“Sign here, sir…and here…and right up here…”) Ordering for no one to disturb him while he views the disk, Trioculus retires to one of his (many) private chambers. Within minutes he hears “Dark Greetings!” from a white-bearded (though the illustration shows a black beard with a white stripe over the chin) man with a reddish, leathery face. Wearing a naval uniform covered with buttons and medals, the man (Captain Dunwell) reports that he has made an Astounding Discovery!! (Cue infomercial music.) He’s already reported this Astounding Discovery (music) to the Central Committee of Grand Moffs, who of course told him to tell the big man himself. (Dunwell and the Grand Moffs have always been best buds.) Dunwell urges Trioculus to come to the Whaladon Processing Center on Calamari immediately, so he can see for himself this Astounding Discovery!! (music)


C’mon, Talon ol’ buddy, don’t let me down…


 

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Date Posted: 4/5/04 12:26am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
LOL! That was great! I'd let Nightowl take over the thread if I didn't know he was far too busy with TimeTales...

You, uh, are busy with TimeTales, right? wink

Picking up where Nightowl left off...

The next scene takes place on the watery world of Mon Calamari, a world never seen or mentioned in the movies, but an increasingly popular location in the Expanded Universe since the days of Dark Empire. Actually, “Mon Calamari” isn’t the true name of the planet, merely an inaccurate designation used by outsiders. While the natives call their world “Dac”, the rest of the galaxy has been using “Mon Calamari” for so many years that the name has stuck. This in spite of the fact that it results in sentences like this: “Salmakk was a Mon Calamari from Mon Calamari.” Clearly “Dac” is the superior name, if only because it is shorter and therefore easier to type.

“Mon Calamari” is also inaccurate because there are three other intelligent species native to the planet besides, well, the Mon Calamari. These include the Whaladons, and speaking of Whaladons, here comes one now! This is Leviathor, the great white Whaladon. No, seriously. He’s the leader of the Whaladons, and he is visiting the Whaladon graveyard. This is not, as one might expect, the place where old Whaladons come to die (presumably after living in the Tatooine Retirement Home for Aged Aliens). No, this is a dumping ground for Dunwell and his poachers. After being processed for their meat at the nearby Whaladon Processing Center, the remains of the Whaladons are dumped here. The poachers have only been active for a few years, but already the entire sea floor in this region is white with the bones of murdered Whaladons.

On page 38 we can see a good picture of Leviathor, who looks an awful lot like… um, a humpback whale. Look, I realize that pretty much any way you draw a space whale it ends up looking a lot like an earth whale anyway, but they could have at least *tried*… Also, the whole “save the whales” thing detracts from the otherwise cool tale of Leviathor, particularly in blatant sentences such as “Leviathor knew he had to save his endangered species before it was too late.” Though their concepts are not irredeemable, the Davids writing style is seriously lacking.

Anyway, Leviathor sees a yellow light, and knows that Dunwell and Aqualish cronies are coming for him. He then does what any quick-thinking Whaladon would do—he turns all the way around to look at it. Sort of like a deer in a headlight. It’s probably this sort of behavior that causes certain sources to list the Whaladon as less than sentient. Actually, they are quite sentient, if not the swiftest thinkers in the galaxy. Fortunately, Leviathor escapes, and heads to the “Doomed City of Aquarius, the undersea center of civilization on Calamari” for help. The “Doomed City of Aquarius” is not to be confused with the water-world Aquaris in the Expansion Region.

After escaping from the asteroid field, Admiral Ackbar takes Luke and the droids to Calamari, where Threepio hopes to be returned to his usual gold-and-silver at the “Droid Repair Shop in the Doomed City of Aquarius.” The full address, presumably, is “Droid Repair Shop, Doomed City of Aquarius, Water World of Mon Calamari, Outer Rim System of Mon Calamari, Galactic Region of the Outer Rim Territories, Galaxy Far, Far Away”, etc, etc.

More to come…

TC

 

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Pelranius  6495 posts
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Date Posted: 4/5/04 3:15am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
The stuff War and Peace was made out of, and comparable to the LotR. Truly a literary masterpiece of all times.

 

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Jaden-Skywalker  5473 posts
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Date Posted: 4/17/04 11:31am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
Man, i have the Lost City of the Jedi book somewhere.....that is BAD!!!

Apparantly in that, Luke flys a Y-Wing, a Ho'din lives on Yavin, the code for the weather thingy is

Je-99-di-88-Fo-00-rce

the hint being Jedi Force!!


Terrible!!

 

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Valiento  25674 posts
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Date Posted: 4/17/04 11:36am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask... - Date Edited: 4/17/04 12:26pm (13 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
That Ho'Din showed up again in EGTC, to rhyme some more.

"who looks an awful lot like… um, a humpback whale. Look, I realize that pretty much any way you draw a space whale it ends up looking a lot like an earth whale anyway, but they could have at least *tried*"

Actually if you put a picture of humpback whale next to a picture of a whaladon you will notice physical differences. Biggest one being a shorter snubbed snout, and a kind of indented chin around the neck, as well as the flippers being closer to the front of the head, and longer, eyes closer to to the end of the nose, etc etc. But I guess one would have to know about whales to see that there are big differences.

"It’s probably this sort of behavior that causes certain sources to list the Whaladon as less than sentient."

Actually Dan Wallace admits that he never said that Whaladons are less than sentient, and that he believes that they are sentient (its not so nice to try put words into Dan's mouth that are innacurate to what his intention actually was).

"Perhaps RPG's distinction between "Race" and "Creature" stats are not asurefire way of determining sentience."

This is basically my position on it as well. I think that stats have to be taken with a grain of salt since they are primarily a gaming tool...

A good example: when creating a new species under d20 rules, if you give your alien a Strength of 12 you also have to give him an Intelligence of 8 (or some similar tradeoff). Is this likely given the diversity of life? No. Is it necessary for game balance? Yes.

I do believe that the Whaladons are sentient. I also think that their stats are better expressed as creature stats. While it certainly can be argued that I made the wrong choice, it wasn't a choice made out of carelessness.

Thanks,
Dan


"stormtroopers don’t have names (only numbers)"

Not true. Kyle Katarn, Davin Felth, Captain Janzor, Strandor, Dower, Tak Bazierre, Pargo, Zeth Durron, Wallen, Tarl, Irol, Elsek, Barich, Oberk, Misik, Drelosyn, Drazin, Avarik, etc, had both names and numbers. Not to mention that many stormtrooper prototypes(clone troopers) had nicknames as well.

According to Pax Emperica: The wookie Annihilation, all cloned stormtroopers received names, and they even called each other by their names.

"Doomed City of Aquarius"

Domed City of Aquarius, actually. It was domed, not doomed.

 

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Date Posted: 4/17/04 11:10pm Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
>That Ho'Din showed up again in EGTC, to rhyme some more. <

Actually, that's EGTA. But yes, not only did he rhyme again in that book, he rhymed better. wink

Val, regarding Whaladons and stormtroopers, there's a lot of sarcasm going on here. I wasn't trying to put words into Dan Wallace's mouth (er, keyboard--whatever), just trying to draw an amusing parallel between the Whaladon's silly behavior and the odd listing in the Geonosis sourcebook. The latter, you will recall, was causing a bit of a stir at the time, and I wrote the last bit before Dan posted and gave his two decicreds. Just trying to give a tip of the hat to current EU events.

>Domed City of Aquarius, actually. It was domed, not doomed. <

Darn, I was hoping no one would notice that. Here I was, being careful not to mix up "Aquarius" and "Aquaris", and I accidentally put an extra "o" in "domed". Not once, mind you, but several times. C'mon, Val, won't you ever give me a break? wink tongue

TC

 

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Senator_Cilghal  4187 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18/04 1:36am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
Val is ever-vigilant for error! You cannot excape the good Doctor! The Eu forums are not expressions of fandom, they are a race against evil! If continuity errors gain the grail, the armies of darkness will sweep over the Earth....

OK, I guess you can tell I've been watching IJ&tLC, and the whole stinkin' movie, I kept thinking of Val every time I saw Dr. Jones Sr.:)

BTW, watched Reign of Fire recently, loved the ESB "stage show" Quin took credit for as being enitrely his own concoction. THat made me laugh. And I liked the dorky Vader costume:)

 

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Date Posted: 4/18/04 2:04am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
LMAO! laugh

I followed the link from the main site to this thread, and I'm certaintly glad I did. Thanks for the hilarious read. I have a copy of GoDV sitting in my garage--God knows how it got there...I think I bought it when I was four or five--and all these years I've been too afraid to open it. Now I'm glad I never did. tongue

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Date Posted: 4/18/04 6:11am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
I also followed the link from the main page and am glad I did. A very funny and informative article.

 

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RogueWompRat  4444 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18/04 9:20am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
I hate Whaldons. I really do.

 

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Date Posted: 4/18/04 10:11am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
Well put! I will never place GODV in my timeline much like I refuse to even look at the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. Both series should be banned from the timeline! I wondered where the got Ikrit from, that lame little Jedi Master, now I know and am even more disappointed. The only thing GODV is good for is a beer coaster!

 

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Mavrick889  4566 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18/04 10:17am Subject: RE: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Glove of Darth Vader, But Were Afraid to Ask...
Ikrit isn't from these books though, hes from Junior Jedi Knights.

 

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