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RogueWompRat Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 1/7/04 4:24pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Like him or not, Saxton knows his stuff. You may dislike his "applying physics to a fantasy universe", but that makes the universe more real to me. Which is why I hope he continues to write official books. The only things I really disagree with him on are the Endor holocaust and the Bridge globes=not shields thing. -----signature----- "the Force is between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere..."
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 1/7/04 4:30pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	The Yevethan "Thrustship" doesn't actually have a name or class; it's just called thrustships, due to their non-repulsor lift-system when taking off from surface docks. It's been called Armadia-class too, but you don't really know that's official; it comes from a New Rep designation. Like saying Endurance Fleet Carrier Endurance. Sounds silly. It's completely spherical, silver-hulled, and has a 240m diameter. There are weaponry discrepencies between Shield of Lies and Tyrant's Test; Shield said 6 heavy laser batteries, but I'd go for what Tyrant's Test says from the better info. 8 main batteries of medium-cruiser-class; 4 ten-tube missile launchers; enhanced shielding; and four fighter bays along the equator of ten fighters each. It also has some ion batteries too. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/7/04 5:37pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Once again, I politely ask that we try to get off the Saxton topic, as well as the discussion of whether the size of a starship on screen is the same as the size in the EU. It is obvious that many of us hold different opinions, and that we all are not about to change them. Which is ok. Besides, there is plenty of other stuff that we can discuss. So, in keeping with the spirit in which this thread was founded, back to the topic at hand..... Excellence: Aye, the Thrustships do have alot of conflicting info in the BFC books. I am still amazed that they can carry 4 squadrons of fighters. Seems like an awful lot of fighters for such a little ship. They must truly be engineering marvels, for just one of those little buggers had the power to knock out far larger NR vessels. -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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seeker_two Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 1/7/04 7:12pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess... - Date Edited: 1/7/04 7:48pm (1 edits total) Edited By: seeker_two
	Sounds like the Yevethans stole & modified the Torpedo Sphere plans like they did the Star Destroyers.... I wonder: were the Yevethan Star Destroyer stats were significantly different than the Imperial version? ?:\| Wait, I'm curious. How is Saxton scaling Executors and stuff and coming with logical explanations and pointing out mistakes ruining YOUR fun? Saxon wants to propose things that go against EU cannon (approved by GL) and create conflict on threads like this. I'm done discussing Saxton. My sig says it all... -----signature----- If Han can shoot first, why can't I?... No, Sebastian Shaw was NOT standing in for Hayden.... If it's alright with you, I'm going to pretend the whole Vong thing never happened... [link=http://starwars.wikia.com]Wookiepedia[/link]
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Wes Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 1/7/04 7:45pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	The Thrustship could knock out larger ships is because of the weapons layout. They bank them together so that they deliver a lot of power to a very small area. Plus the fact they had shields superior to the ships of the Fifth Fleet meant they could last, much like the early Mon Cal cruisers v Imperial Star Destroyers in that regard. Do you have the stats for their fighters? If their fighters are very small, lack hyperdrive, shields and only carry lasers then they don't have to be very big. -----signature----- "The tragedy of my life is I'll be remembered as a butcher of innocents and this assessment is not unfair. I cannot argue with their condemnation or with the verdict of history." -Admiral Bosch: Freespace 2 - Fleet Junkie
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Vympel Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 1/7/04 8:52pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess... - Date Edited: 1/7/04 9:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Vympel
	Saxon wants to propose things that go against EU cannon (approved by GL) and create conflict on threads like this. Which are all based on movie absolute canon (made by GL), and so EU canon can go take a flying leap if it disagrees. Simple- that's the established heirarchy. I don't always agree with Saxton, and won't argue every point he makes in the affirmative, but when it comes to size and scaling, I'm 100% with him.
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Lord_Darth_Bob Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/7/04 9:33pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess... - Date Edited: 1/7/04 9:34pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Darth_Bob
	I love how some people think that secondary sources written and produced by others and only maybe reviewed in mere a cursory manner by GL with the LFL rubber stamp are tantamount to his personal creation, which he supervised and had created a certain way. Notice he never changes the stuff Saxton points out in the SEs, which he's repetatively emphasized as his true vision, the way it really is. That's the absolute truth of SW as of now. Quite frankly, if there was never to be conflict between sources, there'd never be any need to put in that "insofar that it does not contradict or undermine George Lucas' movies" bit. -----signature----- Things that Lucas Licensing does not consider official parts of the continuous Star Wars history show an Infinities logo or are contained in Star Wars Tales. Everything else is considered canon. Fleet Junkie - Saxtonian Bulldog Uncivilized Debater
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Wes Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 1/8/04 4:04am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	The Yevethan used captured Imperial warships, so their Star Destroyers would have been the same as ordinary Imperial ships. They also never fought anyone in pitched battle with them so they would have never needed to be refitted. -----signature----- "The tragedy of my life is I'll be remembered as a butcher of innocents and this assessment is not unfair. I cannot argue with their condemnation or with the verdict of history." -Admiral Bosch: Freespace 2 - Fleet Junkie
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EH_Pilot Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/8/04 4:55am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	"Quite frankly, if there was never to be conflict between sources, there'd never be any need to put in that "insofar that it does not contradict or undermine George Lucas' movies" bit." What exactly are these conflicts? I'm obviously aware of the fact there IS a conflict over canon, but what exactly has been contradicting the movies? -----signature----- Pilot of the Emperor's Hammer TIE Corps www.tiecorps.org Golden Ewok™ Recipient x4; Trojan Ewok™ Recipient -Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero-
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Borleias Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/8/04 7:26am Subject: Umm...
	The Executor's length, the Death Star's diameter. That's two commonly cited contradictions right there. They are definite. Less commonly cited, but equally definite, are the E-Web's setup time (the film showed a much shorter period than the five minutes mentioned in some sources) and the size of the AT-AT (the official claims 15m, but scalars suggest it is more like 20+m.) Only very slightly lower in the list of certainty is the Endor Holocaust. You can even cite the brain bugs which led to the shield domes, though that technically isn't a contradiction, just lazy thinking.
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/8/04 7:54am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Wes: When I get a chance, I will dig up the stats for the Yevethan fighters for you. -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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Jacques_the_shrimp Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/8/04 8:25am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Good God!! I have now seen it all. There are actually people who think the Death Star is bigger than its officially established size? Yes. That would be the group known as "Those who watched the movie". The WEG number is completely unworkable with the film. Unless of course you think something smaller then the moon over our heads can support earth like life (be sure to explain that and provide proof, would you?) Ya know, this is why some of us don't like people like Saxton. They take something that is a good entertainment, like Star Wars, and they try to fit it so neatly into the real world. Really? I always put it down to just being jealous of the man. I mean, honestly. It is a FICTIONAL universe. I don't give a damn how big it looks on screen. Sometimes I worry about how people seem to spend so much trying to fit everying so neatly. And I worry daily about the fact that so much of the population has become such lazy thinkers that they would far rather just take what is printed then put forth the effort to figure something out. No wonder many people, including George Lucas, are afraid of SW fans. They can take things overboard at times. Yes, like the people who sit on message boards and snipe at people who have put forth the effort to get an education and apply it to something fun in their free time. Now this is a literature discussion board. Maybe I mised something since I'm new, but I thought this was to discuss the EU, not to snipe and whine about someone else. If you want to sit here and flame a defenseless man, well I've got the intergity to see he isn't defenseless and can go back and forth with the flames all day long. But I'd rather not. I'd prefer to talk about books. Second you are ready to do that, let me know.
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/8/04 9:03am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Jacques_the_shrimp: I recommend you read my last couple posts. As I have been saying for the past day, I feel it best if we just agree to drop the subject of Saxton. People feel so strongly about him one way or the other that it usually always ends up starting heated arguments. As I also said, this threads goal is to discuss NR capital ships and their roles. And yes, I understand you are new here, but believe me when I tell you that it will be the best course of action to drop this topic. I have literally seen people get into swearing matches over their views of Saxton. I most definately do not want that to happen here. Now, hopefully we can all move on to more constructive things. I recommend that if you haven't already that you look back over some of our previous posts of the last 6 or 7 months. It will help give you a clear idea of what we have covered and were we are going. Wes: Here are the stats for the Yevethan D type Fighter: Length: 12 meters Crew: 1 Weapons: 3 laser cannons (fire linked) -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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jhc36 Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 1/8/04 9:12am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	ahhhh.... yevethans.....tis a shame THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!!!!!!!!! muwhahhahahahahahhahahah!!!! sidenote: i did like them though. so their ship stats are pretty interesting enough. he** i like any xenophobic species. -----signature----- Al' Yammka Supreme Overlord,Yuuzhan'tar the Yuuzhan Vong Homeworld Long Live the Yuuzhan Vong Nom Anor Will be Back!!! Proud Recipient of the Golden Elegos™
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FTeik Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/8/04 9:16am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	@AdmiralNick: The problem is, that if we want to discuss ships and their roles we also have to talk about, what they are capable to do, how fast they are, how much they accelerate, their firepower, lenght, mass ect., ect.. Much of the official material isn´t helpful in that regard or plain wrong, if viewed in contrast to the movies. "This is an AT-AT-Walker. Since it is only 15 meters high only the smallest soldiers of the empire fit into the cockpit. The drivers of those awesome vehicles are specially recruited from worlds, where the inhabitants don´t become larger than four feet." -----signature----- My first completet story: Pride's Prize: http://boards.theforce.net/message.aspx?topic=22758760 "In the Battle of Coruscant alone, hundreds of millions of battle droids saw action on the ground and in space. " Insider #86 - The story of General Grievous
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