Author Topic: New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)
Jacques_the_shrimp 
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 12:19pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
Admiral Nick:

Here's the thing: I speant yesterday cruising through archives and reading threads. And I noticed a pattern- Everytime Saxton comes up and a fight breaks out, its always the same group of people who are doing nothing but a smear campaign on the man. And as soon as people start arguing for him, then it becomes "oh, we best let it drop". And it does, and then it repeats. So it becomes very clear that the problem is more with the fact people have an issue with the fact that people are arguing then with the fact that people are tearing into him. And that difference speaks of a very jacked up set of ethical behavior here.

So I'll let it drop for now, but with one final challenge:

Saxton doesn't generally reply to snipping mail, and I dont blame him. But he is in close contact and good friends with a number of people who do take the time to answer that. So all the people here who are so self righteous that they snipe at him, here's a little bet - I bet you don't have it in you to actually prove him wrong. I bet you don't have the knowledge to show it and the fortitude to put up a counter argument. So prove me wrong

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Misc/E-Mail.html - Mike Wong
louis@h4h.com - Wayne Poe
staff@babtech-onthe.net - Brian Young, Sean Robertson, Ted Collins, and Adam Gehrls

All people Saxton thanks on his site and has regular contact with. Challenge them to a debate and prove that you are right and since I know they are all honest men I'm certain they will have no problem forwarding the results of the debate to him showing he is wrong and you are right. And since Saxton is also an honest man, I fel certain he will have no problem admitting he is wrong and changing his pages.

And with that, I'll pipe down. Atleast until people decide its time to start hollering for his head again later this week.


Alpha_Red

http://members.tripod.com/Tiger887/InvDreadnaught.html - Invincible class

I think the other ship was in one of the Galaxy guides, check google, someone must have it listed

 

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alpha_red  5997 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 12:37pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
Thanks, I'll check the link.

 

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Ton_G  3422 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 4:48pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
Hey, Troy Denning refered to our contreversy over the Mon Mothma:

http://boards.theforce.net/Fan_Audios/b10565/13741912/?2 4

 

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Borleias  918 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 5:10pm Subject: Hi, Ardiff, about ranks
The Imperial Sourcebook contains a reference to a chap getting promoted from Commodore to Rear-Admiral upon leaving the Imperial Navy. The rank of Commodore is actually below that of Rear-Admiral. So what we have here is somebody clearly transposing the two titles by mistake. However, if we were to attempt to fix this problem in the same way that people want to resolve the problem of Destroyers being bigger than cruisers, we'd get this rank system.


I have the Imp Sourcebook, and I don't remember reading this part, but I have read the SW Sourcebook once, and I think the story was that "Admiral" Unther was promoted to "Rear-Admiral" upon his retirement. That's the problem.

Promoting from Commodore (R4C2) to Rear Admiral (R4C1) is perfectly dandy and doesn't need fixing.

What does need fixing is the ISB's transposition of "admiral" and "Commodore," the latter which is stuffed all the way at the full Admiral level.

Thus, according to the ISB, Moff > High Admiral > Fleet Admiral > Commodore (no mention of Vice Admiral, I suppose it might be one of those mostly staffwork interim ranks) > Rear Admiral > Admiral. Very loopy.

When translating ranks into English, it is EXTREMELY important to get the rank order correct. It CANNOT be the other way around, ever.

However, I am looser on rank nomenclature than Saxton. For instance, I do allow new rank nomenclature, such as Army and Starfighter "Commanders" to be inserted or replaced. I also look at some non-English based ranking schemes to give myself a broader purview, which is why I don't choke myself when I see a Commander higher than a Captain, even on ships.

And no, I don't do backflips when I see a Lieutenant commanding a squadron. I understand it varies from nation to nation based on operational needs.

I suppose someone would chide me for being off-topic again, but if we get too far off stride in this rank discussion and anybody is still interested, I'm sure we can work out something.

 

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AdmiralNick22  6913 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 5:31pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess... - Date Edited: 1/10/04 5:33pm (1 edits total) Edited By: AdmiralNick22
Jacques_the_shrimp:

I am happy to see that we can move on. You must understand, I disagree with him at times, but I have no true ill feelings towards him or his work.

I just ask that you do not insult myself or anyone else that posts here:

I bet you don't have the knowledge to show it and the fortitude to put up a counter argument. So prove me wrong

Please keep comments like that to yourself. There is no need to get heated.
As ThrawnMcEwok said, many times we all must just agree to disagree.

After all, there is no issue or topic that people all agree on 100%.

If you still have a problem with my previous comments, feel free to carry on the discussion with me via private messages. That way we can keep that line of discussion of this thread. happy

--Adm. Nick


Borleias:

Many pages back a few of our regulars posted several long discussions on rank. If I get a chance latter, I will try to find it for you.

As I recall, they assembled a pretty good list of ranks in the NR and Imperial militaries.

 

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Borleias  918 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 5:38pm Subject: Thank you...
I'd be interested to see what sense this board can make of the wacky, sometimes apparently inconsistent thug that's the SW rank system.

 

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JoruusCbaoth  3043 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 6:17pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
CaptainArdiff

"This arises because there's a school of though that says that Star Destroyer isn't a class, but a warship type"

The HTTE sourcebook basically puts that one to bed, describing a cruiser as any warship larger than 300 meters, IIRC, but makes no mention of battleships or battlecruisers. It went on to say that Star Destroyers could technically be considered cruisers, but are really more in a class all their own.

Welcome back, btw.

 

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EH_Pilot  3940 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 7:33pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
Ok, it's been less than 24 hours since I last checked my emails and I have 48!? reply notifications for this topic....

 

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Borleias  918 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 8:10pm Subject: Nick...
I've just struggled through P.36 and P.37 of the thread. The rank structure stuff was quite interesting and entertaining. Though it is VERY late to join that part, I'd just tack on my couple more cents and then back off on the topic if nobody else is interested in restarting.

On SW ranking systems
I agree with most of the general points, and imagine a similar system myself.

I'm not so sure whether the term "First Star Captain" was intended to be a rank rather than a staff position.

And I see no real problem in reverting back to General if they so choose.

I'm of the persuasion that thinks that the official rank of Commander is lower than any of the flag ranks, though of course a commander can be just anyone in command of something. Even the highest of admirals can be a "commander" given the right circumstances.

After all, in the RSB, Starfighter Chapter, Wedge's rank was precisely fixed at Wing Commander.

While games vary on the precise position of Commander, all of them agree that it is below flag rank, and if games aren't the best sources, they do have a voice as well - and better yet, they are specific in sequencing rather than inferred.

I'm not sure that this addition could rationalize EVERY case of "commander" that appears higher than a "colonel" (or its equivalent among the various branches) but it could rationalize all of those I personally know about, along with full context. Maybe if I knew the context of those I don't know about, maybe I can rationalize them as well. Some of those I don't personally know about IIRC have been re-interpreted another way as well.

Believe this or don't, but I'd introduce a new rank: The Captain-Lieutenant (Germany, Russia.) For the Imperials, I'd position it between Lieutenant Commander and the lieutenants (on the Saxtonian rank chart, that'd be R3C4.) The NR probably has it in a similar location. I know that inventing a whole rank requires some evidence, so I'd provide some:

By adding that, Convarion is a Commander, which is higher than a "mere" Captain-[Lieutenant]. Apparently, by plucking the cylinder, Isard made Convarion a full Captain.

[Wing] Commander Antilles is actually senior to Captain-[Lieutenant] Tabanne of the Night Caller.

Piggy was going to be promoted to a Captain-[Lieutenant] within a year, rather than being promoted to the equivalent of a Colonel. (If I were Piggy, and I knew by going to Fleet Command, I can get the equivalent of colonelcy in a year, I'd go, get it, and work my way back to Starfighters as a senior officer.)

Captain-[Lieutenant] Bjalin (of Crespin) is junior to Commander Bria.

If this rank exists, it reduces a good bit of the impetus for "Commander" to be above Colonel. I rest my case.

Real Life Stuff:
I'd say that AFAIK, "Colonel General" IS the original, and technically correct term for the typical 4-star (3-star for the Soviets, who don't have 1-star brigadiers.) Later "colonel" was dropped from some places.

The version I had heard of the "Major General" story went like this. Once upon a time, it was supposed to be "Sergeant-Major General," then "Lieutenant General" then "Colonel General." (Sergeant-Major, Lieutenant and Colonel in turn have their own histories.) Somewhere along the way, Sergeant was dumped, thus leaving us with our somewhat confusing dichotomy today.

Like I said, my two cents.

 

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Pelranius  6494 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 9:16pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
Out of curiosity, is there any information on those Procurator and Mandator Star Dreadnaughts and Star Battlecruisers?

 

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Vympel  329 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 10:42pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
Nothing but what's in the ICS- in particular

- part of the Kuat sectorial fleet
- bublous spherical reactor housings, like ISDs (and unlike the Acclamator, hence why its mentioned)

 

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AdmiralNick22  6913 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 11:03pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess... - Date Edited: 1/10/04 11:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: AdmiralNick22
Well, in the NR, the highest naval rank was Fleet Admiral. Only Ackbar has ever been described as one. He has also been described as Admiral of the Fleet, which in naval terms is the same or equal to Fleet Admiral.

Borleias:

Here is the list I promised I would find for you. Enjoy! happy

Imperial Starfleet

Navy
Grand Admiral
Fleet Admiral
High Admiral
Admiral
Vice-Admiral
Rear-Admiral
Commodore
Line Captain
Star Captain
Commander
Lieutenant-Commander
Star Lieutenant
Sub-Lieutenant
Ensign

Army
Field Marshall
Surface Marshall
High General
General
Lieutenant-General
Major-General
Brigadier-General
High Colonel
Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
Major
Captain
1st Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant

Starfighter Command
Star Marshall
Air Marshall
High General
General
Lieutenant-General
Major-General
Commander
Wing Colonel
Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
Major
Captain
1st Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant

Blackshirts
Grand General
High General
General
Lieutenant-General
Major-General
Commander
High Colonel
Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
Major
Captain
1st Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant (cf Tschell, a newly-commissioned lieutenant in HttE)

New Republic

Fleet
Admiral of the Fleet/Fleet Admiral
Admiral
Vice-Admiral
Rear-Admiral
Commodore
Captain
Commander
Lieutenant-Commander
Lieutenant
Lieutenant JG
Sub-Lieutenant

Army
Ground Marshall
General
Lieutenant-General
Major-General
Brigadier-General
Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
Major
Captain
1st Lieutenant (or "Senior Lieutenant")
2nd Lieutenant (or "Lieutenant")

Starfighter Command
Sky Marshall
General
Lieutenant-General
Major-General
Wing Commander
Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
Major
Captain
Flight Lieutenant
Flight Officer/Pilot Officer (we'd have a rank too many otherwise, I think... this may actually make a sort of sense, since Gavin calls Jaina by both names in Dark Tide)

Intelligence
Director
General (or Deputy Director?)
Lieutenant-General (or Assistant Director?)
Major-General (or Deputy Assistant Director?)
Brigadier
Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
Major
Captain
1st Lieutenant
2nd Lieutenant

 

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Borleias  918 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/04 11:46pm Subject: Thanks for the summary...
Of course, being ever inquisitive and demanding, it is time for the questions... I've read some of the P.36-37 (of this thread) posts. These are the questions and comments I have after reading it:

Imp Navy
Why is a High Admiral junior to a Fleet Admiral? We have no established Terran procedures for dealing with ranks higher than Fleet Admiral. If there was a justification for this defiance of the Imperial Sourcebook (it ain't perfect, but it has one of the more comprehensive lists) I never heard of it.

Imp Army
Looks fine.

Imp Starfighter Command
Is Wing Colonel your little attachment as an equivalent to High Colonel and Line Captain? I'm still not sure about the placement of "Commander" so high, since in some sources (like the TIE Fighter game,) it is lower than Major, and seems to imply a Squadron Commander. Though I guess the rank is empty anyway... maybe there are two commanders?

Hmm, I've checked various versions of this listing (mostly between Thrawn_McEwok and that SenatorCighil guy.) It seems that most of the ranks are agreed on, except for "Commander," which seems to be a position that flies about from above Captain to below the Generals.

Thank you again.

 

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CaptainArdiff  1580 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/04 4:16am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
Note 1: The Imperial Sourcebook contains a reference to a chap getting promoted from Commodore to Rear-Admiral upon leaving the Imperial Navy.

Borleias, I'm an idiot. I can't believe I transposed the ranks that were already wrongly transposed! Still, I guess that shows how easily it can happen. You're also doubtless right about the ISB/SWSB mistake I made. I own sadly neither, and have only seen a friend's copy.

JoruusCbaoth, cheers for the welcome. I've been away for quite a while now, n'est-ce pas? Home 'net connection isn't any dashed use at all, so I only get the chance to wander in here when I'm at uni, visiting the future Mrs CaptainArdiff. I'd get such a look if she heard me refer to her as that!

Borleias, AdmiralNick22, I must say I concur with Borleias about the placement of High Admiral. I recall that it's an unnecessary rank created for the head of the Imperial Navy within a Sector. I say unnecessary because the Moff seems to be seen as the de facto Naval commander, whilst the highest ranking Fleet Admiral runs fleet ops - e.g. Flashpoint Brak Sector, which contained a fairly well maintained Imp Fleet of 30ish ISDs just after Yavin.

I'm a bit uncertain about the differences between Air Marshal and Star Marshal and between Field Marshal and Grand Marshal. what sort of forces are we looking at for command purposes here? I'm a bit confused by the US terminology, too, I fear I still think in terms of my - currently less than militarily adequate - nation's air ranks. But a Squad leader commands a squad, we know a Wing Commander takes 6 Sqs. A group leader takes at least 2 Wings, possibly he would command an ISD taskforce's fighter force? I suggest this because he'd otherwise be of the same rank level as a normal Navy Captain, which could (dates of commission apart) cause friction. A Star Commodore must control at least 2 Groups.

Before I go any further, I should make clear that when I say "must" I don't actually mean in all circumstances "must". Clearly, there'll be staff officers who don't have such forces under them. But I do mean that commanders in a fleet engagement must have such forces under them if they are up to minimum organisational strength. Otherwise the ranks wouldn't exist. The larger a military force, the more complex the rank system needs to be to allow for effective command.

So, where were we? Ah, yes. The Vice-Marshal takes 4 Groups, the Marshal 8, the chief marshal 16, the Force Marshal at least 32. We'll waive the requirements of the High Marshal, because he may be the same nominal post as High Admiral. Anyway, with 12 pilots to a squadron, 72 to a wing, and at least 144 to a group, we end up with a minimum force of 4,608 fighters or 64 wings.

So we have our minimum force of 64 wings. Now let's do a quick glance at what a sector needs, fighter-wise. Each ISD needs a wing, so that's c.24 taken care of straight away. Every 6 Dreadnaughts, or 1 Escort Carrier or 3 Nebulon-Bs (?) needs a wing. Every 18-24 Carracks needs a Wing (some sources say Carracks take 3 TIEs on outside racks, some say 4). Every 3 VSDs needs a wing, as does each Vindicator Heavy Cruiser. Torpedo Spheres don't seem to require a fighter force, so that's ok. Most corvettes (e.g. Customs, Corellian) don't require fighters, although some do (Marauder-6). Executor types require at least 2 Wings, according to WEG, but are capable of far larger forces, according to Saxton.

There are, if memory serves, 1,000-2,000 support ships in each sector fleet. The capital planet will require some fighters, as will Imperial Garrisons, fleet outposts, shipyards and restricted areas of space. So it seems reasonable to assume that at mimimum levels of force deployment, a Force Marshal could control a Sector's fighter forces. Nonetheless, formations could be increased in size. For example, a Commodore might be in command of 4 Groups, thus allowing a reduction in the number of higher officers. One could even run the whole, 1,000 sector Galactic Empire on this basis.

If each level after Sq Leader takes 6 of the formations below him to constitute his command (as is the case with the number of squadrons in a wing), then a Chief Marshal would command 1,296 Groups (6 Wings for each Group, in this instance), and 46,656 of these Groups would be subordinated to the High Marshal. That's 279,936 Wings, and the whole Star Fleet is only about >24,000 ISDs (24 per sector and 1,000 sectors), requiring 24,000 wings. Hmmm, time to do some essay, methinks.

 

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Borleias  918 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/04 5:29am Subject: Hi, Ardiff... - Date Edited: 1/11/04 5:34am (2 edits total) Edited By: Borleias
It is easy for this to happen in a post. It should be checked for a published document with real continuity consquences. Or if you are in full SOD, a document that's meant for Mon Mothma shouldn't include such stupid transpositions to begin with!

I must say I concur with Borleias about the placement of High Admiral. I recall that it's an unnecessary rank created for the head of the Imperial Navy within a Sector. I say unnecessary because the Moff seems to be seen as the de facto Naval commander, whilst the highest ranking Fleet Admiral runs fleet ops - e.g. Flashpoint Brak Sector, which contained a fairly well maintained Imp Fleet of 30ish ISDs just after Yavin.


Not TOTALLY useless. It'd come in handy when one is a Grand Moff with Oversectors, having at least three Sector Group equivalents under him.

I'm a bit uncertain about the differences between Air Marshal and Star Marshal and between Field Marshal and Grand Marshal. what sort of forces are we looking at for command purposes here? I'm a bit confused by the US terminology, too, I fear I still think in terms of my - currently less than militarily adequate - nation's air ranks. But a Squad leader commands a squad, we know a Wing Commander takes 6 Sqs. A group leader takes at least 2 Wings, possibly he would command an ISD taskforce's fighter force? I suggest this because he'd otherwise be of the same rank level as a normal Navy Captain, which could (dates of commission apart) cause friction. A Star Commodore must control at least 2 Groups.


You hadn't even begun seeing the problem. The friction exists in EVERY Star Destroyer. Think, the Stormtrooper unit aboard is at Divisional Strength. According to the OOB, that's equivalent to a Battlegroup, which in turn implies a High Colonel in command. Many Star Destroyers are used as flagships, but others aren't, and are often commanded by simple Captains (not Line Captains.) High Colonel of the Stormtroopers versus Colonel-equivalent of the ship master. Not good.

Try not to think in British-style air ranks too much. Their nomenclature (Squadron Leader and the like) can sometimes limit your thinking. I was actually speechless when I read Saxton complaining about Donos, because he was commanding while a "Lieutenant" rather than a "Squadron Leader." I can only wonder at whether he protests at seeing American squadron leaders, which IIRC are mostly "Lieutenant Colonel" as one rank too high :-)

Ah, yes. The Vice-Marshal takes 4 Groups, the Marshal 8, the chief marshal 16, the Force Marshal at least 32. We'll waive the requirements of the High Marshal, because he may be the same nominal post as High Admiral. Anyway, with 12 pilots to a squadron, 72 to a wing, and at least 144 to a group, we end up with a minimum force of 4,608 fighters or 64 wings.


Don't be too insistent on filling every rank with something. It doesn't work that way in the Imp military if the Army and Navy are any indication.

Executor types require at least 2 Wings, according to WEG, but are capable of far larger forces, according to Saxton.


No surprise. WEG specs are computed for 5 miles (later stretched to 8 yet inexplicably without any change in any other spec) while Saxton uses his canon scalar of 11. Obviously, their conception of how much hangar space is available would be quite different.

For example, a Commodore might be in command of 4 Groups, thus allowing a reduction in the number of higher officers. One could even run the whole, 1,000 sector Galactic Empire on this basis.


That's the idea of the Imperial augmentation process. There are lower and upper limits. If the ISB is any indication of Imperial thinking (which in turn would be based on how things work in the SW galaxy,) 8 subunits per superior HQ is the absolute max. 4 should be about standard. The ISB is equally clear not every rank is occupied with a command level, Army or Navy.

If each level after Sq Leader takes 6 of the formations below him to constitute his command (as is the case with the number of squadrons in a wing), then a Chief Marshal would command 1,296 Groups (6 Wings for each Group, in this instance), and 46,656 of these Groups would be subordinated to the High Marshal. That's 279,936 Wings, and the whole Star Fleet is only about >24,000 ISDs (24 per sector and 1,000 sectors), requiring 24,000 wings. Hmmm, time to do some essay, methinks.


Remember. They don't only serve the starships. There are approximately a million major worlds in the Empire and many more colonies. Many of them would require at least an Army Fighter Wing (40 fighters.) If we presume a quarter has such facilities, that absorbs some 250,000 of the wings. Then we have all the Corps which each grab a Fighter Wing (though those are shrunk up fighter wings of 40 TIEs each.) And so on.

 

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