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Vympel Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 1/7/04 9:32pm Subject: RE: There is no Canon? - Date Edited: 1/7/04 9:42pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Vympel
	Painting isn't a perfect analogy, but, I don't think so. In regards to the SE: fixing special effects is one thing; you're trying to improve your work. Dramatically revising story points and character traits for god knows why (or does anyone here really believe that GL "always intended" to have Greedo shoot first? Revisionism). That's not improvement, or cleaning up, that's changing the story- revisionism- and pretty crappy revisionism while you're at it. There's so many problems with the scene and it's implications its not funny, but I'm not going to kick this dead bantha anymore. In truth, I'm of two minds- I have caught myself deciding the opposite before.
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JediJSolo Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/7/04 10:25pm Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	They didn’t alter the original “painting”. They made a copy, and altered that copy. The original still exists (in one form or other), it’s just not recognized by the creator as accurate to his “vision” for the story. If a writer, painter, moviemaker, or clothing designer decides to make a series of products that tell some sort of story (note the difference between the products and the story), and then decides to alter an aspect of that story by remaking one of the products (he has the right to change his mind, after all), he has every right to do that. The consumer has every right to have a personal opinion about what was best, but the creator is the one with the final say in what is actually a part of the story, as it’s his story in the first place. -----signature----- The Force reflects the life that creates it... Constructive criticism or reviews requested: http://boards.theforce.net/Beyond_the_Saga/b10477/20439765/?3
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MasterControlProgram Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/7/04 10:45pm Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	Try again. Starwars.com is NOT a prequel movie. But it DOES have a final say as to what is truth, and what is a tall tale. You presented the Jaster Mereel stuff as an actual part of Boba's past. SW.com says its a rumor, or legend. Note that it supports the Bounty Hunter book's interpretation of Fett's escape from the Sarlacc, not Marvel's. And noting how friendly Hildago and Chee are with one another, this is most likely how the "Holocron" sees things.
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MasterControlProgram Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/7/04 10:51pm Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	As for EU overriding the OT, how about Boba Fett and the Sarlacc. It wasn't supposed to be improbable to escape, but impossible, IIRC. Unless you know something I don't, there are no sequels to ROTJ. So, the EU has STILL not trumped the OT.
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Esplin9466 Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 1/8/04 4:13am Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	You presented the Jaster Mereel stuff as an actual part of Boba's past. SW.com says its a rumor, or legend. But where does it say it's not true? -----signature----- Nom Anor WILL return . . . eventually! Recipient of the Golden Ewok™ No-Prize. "Why . . . why did she choose you? What makes you able to defeat me, defeat me here?" "The place is not what matters, it is the man."
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Genghis12 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 1/8/04 6:00am Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	MCP... "But it DOES have a final say as to what is truth, and what is a tall tale. You presented the Jaster Mereel stuff as an actual part of Boba's past." No, it doesn't. Only the movies are absolute. Only the movies themselves have the final say. Starwars.com is a spinoff product like any other EU item and is not absolute canon. "SW.com says its a rumor, or legend. Note that it supports the Bounty Hunter book's interpretation of Fett's escape from the Sarlacc, not Marvel's." This is an incorrect statement. Marvel's "escape" was entirely self-contained and is essentially a non-issue. Because in the same story where Boba escaped, he was also trapped again. So, when one talks of his "escape" one presumably talks of his final or actual escape, and not just a temporary situation as Marvel's was. -----signature----- ========== Intelligently Fitting The newer EU into Established Star Wars Continuity (Or How About a No-Prize) http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=1111146 "Envy the nations that have heroes. Pity the ones that need them." -- Van Zan
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Rogue_Ten Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/8/04 4:46pm Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	does anyone here really believe that GL "always intended" to have Greedo shoot first? Hell no. Like it was gonna break GL's bank back in the seventies to put an extra piece of red tape on the film. -----signature----- Hey. It's been two months. Whutdupwitdat. Send the above request? No_______Yes
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Agent_Rob Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/9/04 9:12am Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	You presented the Jaster Mereel stuff as an actual part of Boba's past. SW.com says its a rumor, or legend. But where does it say it's not true? It calls them "half-truths," which means that while there may be some true elements (probably unimportant things), the intent of the stories are to distort and deceive. -----signature----- Later...
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Darth_Arthas Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/9/04 9:27am Subject: RE: There is no Canon? - Date Edited: 1/9/04 9:30am (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Arthas
	The truth is that he once used the alias Jaster Mareel during a part of his life (see gamer magazine), rather than being born "Jaster Mareel". He was using this alias for whatever Jobs he was going on at the time (perhaps he was out to kill an officer on concord dawn, as well as a stormtrooper officer after that). The half-truth though comes from the ones who think he was born Jaster Mareel on Concord Dawn, as that was only half-true, he was actually named "Jaster's Legacy" by Jango at the time of his creation on Kamino, which is before he received the name Boba Fett (see Open Seasons), and he wouldn't use the alias "Jaster Mareel" until much later during his time as a bounty hunter. -----signature----- I'm an "original" Star Wars trilogy purist... I don't need the special editions. EU? eh just something to pass the time...
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MasterControlProgram Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/9/04 10:34am Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	Genghis12: Starwars.com is a spinoff product like any other EU item and is not absolute canon. No one said it was. However, the EU fills in where canon is silent. There's nothing in the canon that says Fett is absolutely dead. Also, Leland Chee's "Holocron", from all accounts, exists to rectify conflicting info in the canon and EU. SW.com uses the Holocron, as well as SW authors. SW.com says the Jaster Mereel stuff is just a rumor or legend. However, it DOES say Fett escaped the Sarlacc.Note this isn't a rumor. See the difference? This is an incorrect statement. Marvel's "escape" was entirely self-contained and is essentially a non-issue. Because in the same story where Boba escaped, he was also trapped again. So, when one talks of his "escape" one presumably talks of his final or actual escape, and not just a temporary situation as Marvel's was. SW.com says nothing about Fett escaping more than once. There was no Jawa sandcrawler stuffed into the Sarlacc when Fett escaped in the bounty hunter books. There's no mention in the EU of Solo witnessing Fett fall into the Sarlacc a SECOND time. The Marvel story is a tall tale.
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MasterControlProgram Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/9/04 10:41am Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	does anyone here really believe that GL "always intended" to have Greedo shoot first? Hell no. Like it was gonna break GL's bank back in the seventies to put an extra piece of red tape on the film. Hey, does anyone have the "Behind The Magic" Lost scenes handy? Remember that Lucas shot the cantina scene twice? Didn't that include the Greedo scene? Why would he shoot it TWICE with Solo shooting first it that's not what he intended?
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Darth_Arthas Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/9/04 10:52am Subject: RE: There is no Canon? - Date Edited: 1/9/04 11:55am (5 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Arthas
	Lucas is always saying Boba Fett died in Sarlacc interviews, when he is asked about him, ... One example from George in an MTV interview... "I don't know why. [Laughs]. I'm mystified by it. He's a mysterious character. He's a provocative character. He seems like an all powerful character, except he gets killed. Although he's gotten killed, the people who write the books, and everything, and the comics say 'we can't kill him, we gotta bring him back, we can't let him die!'" I'm sure many people consider his word more canon than even the movies, ... However, don't seperate the half-truth from the myth and legends, or you totally destroy the context of what was being said at starwars.com. For every legend and myth, there is half-truth or more. Other sources of the EU besides starwars.com, such as Gamer magazine, and Open Seasons, have worked to partially explain the truths from the myth in the half-truths (Boba being called Jaster by Jango, and Boba taking on the name as an alias as well). -----signature----- I'm an "original" Star Wars trilogy purist... I don't need the special editions. EU? eh just something to pass the time...
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Genghis12 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 1/9/04 12:02pm Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	MCP... "No one said it was. However, the EU fills in where canon is silent..." The context of the answer to you was to your point: "Or to use another example, did anyone in AOTC say..." At which point I rebuked the idea that Boba Fett's EU origins interefere with absolute canon with the similar example of "did anyone in AOTC say..." At which point you attempted to refute with information from sw.com. Sw.com is NOT a movie. SW.com is not absolute canon. In fact, Sw.com didn't have anything to do with the matter at all. -----signature----- ========== Intelligently Fitting The newer EU into Established Star Wars Continuity (Or How About a No-Prize) http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=1111146 "Envy the nations that have heroes. Pity the ones that need them." -- Van Zan
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Agent_Rob Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/10/04 7:36am Subject: RE: There is no Canon? - Date Edited: 1/10/04 7:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Agent_Rob
	Genghis12, At which point I rebuked the idea that Boba Fett's EU origins interefere with absolute canon with the similar example of "did anyone in AOTC say..." At which point you attempted to refute with information from sw.com. Sw.com is NOT a movie. SW.com is not absolute canon. In fact, Sw.com didn't have anything to do with the matter at all. Obviously, MCP isn't overriding known fact from the movies. Instead, he's using one valid source (starwars.com) to bring various EU sources on Boba's background into something that fits with canon. Sure, you can rationalize it different ways. But the rationalization on the Official Site is simply going to carry more weight unless that rationalization can be shown to be wrong. -----signature----- Later...
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Genghis12 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 1/10/04 7:49am Subject: RE: There is no Canon?
	Rob... "Obviously, MCP isn't overriding known fact from the movies..." What was obvious to some, obviously wasn't obvious to people arguing about it. "Sure, you can rationalize it different ways. But the rationalization on the Official Site is simply going to carry more weight unless that rationalization can be shown to be wrong." Nope. Because once you leave the "absolute" realm of the movies, they're all the same weight (excepting Infinities, which is a non-issue). -----signature----- ========== Intelligently Fitting The newer EU into Established Star Wars Continuity (Or How About a No-Prize) http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=1111146 "Envy the nations that have heroes. Pity the ones that need them." -- Van Zan
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