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Pellaeon-Firke Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 3/31/04 7:40pm Subject: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	So for Starfighter Command it is: Flight Officer Lieutenant Brevet Captain / Captain Major Colonel Commander General Fleet is: Ensign Lieutenant Captain Commander Vice Admiral Admiral Fleet Admiral Grand Admiral (Imp only) What is it for the NR Army? If there is a thread already please direct me to it. Please correct any mistakes. -----signature----- "I am Revan, greater than all of you clowns. Savior, conqueror, hero, villain. I am all things, and yet I am nothing. In the end I belong to neither the light nor the darkness. And I will forever stand alone." --Genghis12 Gone from 6/20 to 8/8 SFD Judge.
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Knight1192 Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/31/04 8:12pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	There's actually two versions of Starfighter Command's rank structure. The pilot's handbook from the X-wing strategy guide lists it as: Flight Cadet Flight Officer Lieutenant Captain Commander General -----signature----- Knight1192 Seeker of knowledge Purveyor of history May we all be illuminated by that which we seek Check out the Star Wars theories on my website: http://www.angelfire.com/vi/knight_1192/index.html
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OBIX1 Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 3/31/04 8:33pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Actually,isn't Commander lower then Captain in the fleet rankings? -----signature----- Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go. - Joshua 1:9 http://www.gideons.org \| Check out this site for info on Christianity! God Bless!
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Cypher18 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/31/04 8:38pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Of course once you become a general in the starfighter corps you can command a fleet. question, was Han a general in the army or navy in rotj? -----signature----- *Retired Council Master of the Lightside* Life is what happens when you're making other plans--John Lennon
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Knight1192 Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/31/04 8:49pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Actually, I think he was a general in Spec Forces, which is it's own individual command. Or at least it still was at the time of the Battle of Endor. -----signature----- Knight1192 Seeker of knowledge Purveyor of history May we all be illuminated by that which we seek Check out the Star Wars theories on my website: http://www.angelfire.com/vi/knight_1192/index.html
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Cypher18 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/31/04 9:05pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	So I guess spec ops commisions can transfer over to fleet because obviously his did. You know, if I was a fleet officer coming up for promotion and I got passed over so they could bring in someone from spec ops, I think i'd be pissed. -----signature----- *Retired Council Master of the Lightside* Life is what happens when you're making other plans--John Lennon
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Knight1192 Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/31/04 9:12pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	There was a scene deleted from RoTJ which showed General Madine commanding an MC80, and he was head of Spec Forces at the time. -----signature----- Knight1192 Seeker of knowledge Purveyor of history May we all be illuminated by that which we seek Check out the Star Wars theories on my website: http://www.angelfire.com/vi/knight_1192/index.html
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Cypher18 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/31/04 9:17pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder - Date Edited: 3/31/04 9:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Cypher18
	I just don't get these rank structures. I mean in the U.S. Military you wouldn't see a Airforce general or even a Marine general commanding a fleet. I doubt you would even see a Navy aviator coming up and taking command of a ship let alone a fleet. Its almost absurd the way some of these characters switch military organizations. -----signature----- *Retired Council Master of the Lightside* Life is what happens when you're making other plans--John Lennon
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Knight1192 Registered: Feb '00	Date Posted: 3/31/04 9:21pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Actually, depending on the aviators rank, you could well see a naval aviator becomeing the commander of a carrier. -----signature----- Knight1192 Seeker of knowledge Purveyor of history May we all be illuminated by that which we seek Check out the Star Wars theories on my website: http://www.angelfire.com/vi/knight_1192/index.html
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Cypher18 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/31/04 9:27pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Very rarely. Most would probably rotate back to training facilities and help train new recruits. But that still doesn't explain how alot of the high ranking officials can switch organizations. Do all of them get training in fleet ops before going into there chosen profession? -----signature----- *Retired Council Master of the Lightside* Life is what happens when you're making other plans--John Lennon
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JoruusCbaoth Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 3/31/04 9:41pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Starfighter command is probably the most convoluted of the bunch. We went over this in pretty good detail in the capital ships (or one of the other good-sized fleet junkie threads) a few months back, but I'm not up to digging it out. My best guess is that the Empire uses a more-or-less USAF system for its fleet air arm and ground air command. Examples of this would be Col. Bas in Vision of the Future. The Empire in general is a little tougher to pin down than the Rebel Alliance/New Republic on the whole, as the Empire has more branches to keep track of. For the Empire, we have Army, Navy, Starfighter Command, Blackshirts, Stormtroopers, and possibly Naval troops. The ultimate ranks of Grand Admiral and Grand General are of course at the top of the chain of command, but as I understand it, stormtroopers generally exist outside of regular army units, and do not necessarily take orders from the army chain of command. I'd hypothesize that the blackshirts are akin to Waffen SS, in that they're equipped to do the same job as the regular army, but are given priority for training and equipment. Going by precedent from Waffen SS, blackshirts and stormtroopers of comparable rank probably have a kind of superiority or seniority over army officers of equivalent grade. There may in fact even be a Naval equivalent to the blackshirts as well (such as Commander Merrejk aboard the Executor in ROTJ). Naval troops seem to occupy a niche occupied at one time by the Royal Marines, in that they defend ships from boarding and may be capable of limited detached operations from their mother ship. Stormtroopers would have a similar relationship to the Army as blackshirts, only to a greater extent. It's been said in the WEG days that their resources are a mystery to the army staff they serve with, and that their source is something seperate and hidden from the rest of the military. The little-described rank of Grand General can probably be drawn from blackshirts, Army, or Stormtrooper corps, but my guess is that Stormtroopers tend to not get promoted that high very often. Have a look at a few of these: Saxton's ranking chart On the Waffen SS -----signature----- Orignal Fleet Junkie
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Pelranius Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 4/1/04 2:05am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Wouldn't COMPNOR and Ubiqtorate, and maybe the Inquisitors, also have their own command structure? -----signature----- Fleet Junkie and Proud! Fics: Destiny's Inferno (TTT/DE AU) And the Skywalker Saga KOTOR Style Updated 7/24/06 see bio for details
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JoruusCbaoth Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 4/1/04 8:46am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	The Ubiqtorate works more like the NSA, CIA, and FBI all rolled into one, and as such, has a more FBI-like command structure. COMPNOR more or less resembles the Ubiqtorate in structure, except in CompForce, which is its military arm. The loyalty of CompForce to the Emperor is on par with that of Stormtroopers, and was actually created as an alternative to them should the need arise. -----signature----- Orignal Fleet Junkie
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CaptainArdiff Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 4/1/04 3:29pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Huzzah! The impossibility of ever managing to reconcile all the contradictory references from the EU! Some authors have an understanding of military ranks, others don't. Some are aware of the use of RAF style rank systems in the films, others use USAF style systems. The three services all seem to have some sort of bizarre equality, while promotion in one branch sometimes has a definite meaning (Major-General Covell commands ground troops) and sometimes doesn't (ISD bridge crew Lieutenant Tschel turns up later on as Major Tschel - an impossible promotion if he's in the navy!). Good luck to you, you poor madmen -----signature----- Blame Thande! www.alternatehistory.com/discussion
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Valiento Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 4/1/04 3:40pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	Not only that, but there are an odd few that get promoted to generals but still remain in a squadron. Like Keyan Farlander, and Maarak Stele, according to the x-wing and tiefighter strategy guides...
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CaptainArdiff Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 4/1/04 4:23pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
	So true! And, lest we forget, it's all canonical Teeheeheehee! One must obey rules of precedent and canon in citing these sources...but the authors themselves don't...nor do their editors check their accuracy. Mwuhahahahaha! Doomed, all doomed! -----signature----- Blame Thande! www.alternatehistory.com/discussion
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