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nufan292 
Registered: Mar '04
Date Posted: 4/1/04 5:45pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
Quick question, what about General bel Iblis, what group is he with, why not an Admiral?

 

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Pelranius  6494 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/04 7:18am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
He was in the Navy, I believe (don't ask me, I know much as you do)

How incompetent was CompForce anyways, according to the sourcebooks? (never accept substitutes for stormtroopers!)

 

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Cypher18  1424 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/04 12:58pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
Valiento Yeah but if I remember correctly, Farlander ends up commanding a fleet.

 

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dp4m  36457 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/04 1:02pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
So true! And, lest we forget, it's all canonical Teeheeheehee! One must obey rules of precedent and canon in citing these sources...but the authors themselves don't...nor do their editors check their accuracy. Mwuhahahahaha! Doomed, all doomed!

Borderline trolling. Try not to bait people in the Forum. mmm'kay?

 

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JoruusCbaoth  3043 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/04 9:09pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
nufan292

"Quick question, what about General bel Iblis, what group is he with, why not an Admiral? "

I'm not certain where he picked up the title of General, but my guess would be in the early days of the Alliance. He did found his own little splinter rebellion as it started to become apparent what Palpatine was up to, and unified his group with Bail Organa's and Mon Mothma's. I would say he either became General Bel Iblis then, or when he left the Rebels around Yavin to start his own private war against the Empire.

Either way, the title was as fitting to him as Senator by the time Han found him in DFR. I've read about him commanding the fourth fleet, from time to time, though.

Pelranius

CompForce actually had two components, Observation and Assault. Observation acted rather like political officers did aboard Soviet naval vessels, they made sure that the sailors and troops had the "right attitude" about the New Order. They had the option to enter the military when their stint was up, but most of them went into the ISB or another branch of COMPNOR instead. Observation personnel were almost universally disliked by those in the military they had to serve beside.

I'll give you a direct quote from the Imperial Sourcebook on Assault:

There is no branch of service which takes higher casualties in training than the Assault arm of CompForce. SAGroup has such a large supply of primed volunteers that the Assault arm can afford to train by attrition - if you make it through training you are combat ready. Of the 88 percent who fail to make it through training, nearly one quarter of these are combat fatalities. There is little exaggeration and a lot of perverse pride in Assault's claim that "two die for every one that gets through."

The ferocious training and indoctrination of Assault arm does provide strong unit cohesion for its troops, as well as instill a willingness to fight on despite heavy casualties. Training-by- attrition does have a serious defect in that it selects those who have been merely lucky, as well as those who have natural combat skills, and it processes so many volunteers through training that it does a mediocre job of teaching vital combat skills to its soldiers.

In the field, this lack of training shows in higher than necessary casualties and failure to succeed in objectives against well-trained troops. This deficiency is not seen as important for these reasons; the supply of volunteers is not large, but it is certainly larger than the pool for the Rebellion, and training an Assault arm volunteer is cheaper than training an equivalent trooper in the regular Army.

Additionally, the Assault arm is a recent addition to COMPNOR. Some of the units are lasting long enough to train themselves and pass on skills to the volunteers who replace casualties. These veteran units are gaining a fearsome reputation which is deserved.

 

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Valiento  25674 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/04 9:21pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder - Date Edited: 4/2/04 9:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Valiento
"Valiento Yeah but if I remember correctly, Farlander ends up commanding a fleet."

Yes but not during the events of X-wing. We don't know when he got his fleet exactly, but it had to be somewhere between the end of X-wing, and the NJO.

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 8:00am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
My best answer even with the lightsaber of truth is that there is a significant amount of people transferring over to different departments along with ignoring of precedent for personal charisma and a few ranks that are like General of the Armies of Geralissmo (like Grand Admiral) that control multiple branches

 

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Reaper63  1029 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 8:51am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
General Bel Ibis, got his title when he was running his own private army after leaving the Alliance. It was the Rank given to him by his troops.

When he joined the New Republic in the Thrawn trilogy, they just transferred his Rank over and made it official.

As for the transfering of command throughout the Movies and Books, remember, these books aren't written by Military people. To some of these officers, they look at a rank chart and see a General is the same general Rank as an Admiral, so they should be able to command similar units.

You can also look at the starfighter Rank lists and see the posibility that there are 2 Rank lists, just like the Airfoce Ranks and Naval Ranks of the US military. This way a Colonel and a Commander might be on the same level. it woud depend on time of commissioning, and orders of Starfighter Command to determine who is in command.

there just is no simple answer to all this. Since you have so many different people adding to the problem.

I would have liked to see General Madine commanding the Mon Cal Cruiser thought. happy

 

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jedijcm  85 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 9:44am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
does the supreme commander of the alliance command both the navy and army?

 

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Reaper63  1029 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 9:54am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
I would say yes, he or she would command the entire Military

 

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Pellaeon-Firke  5313 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 10:48am Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
How many supreme commanders have there been? Ackbar, Sovv...?

 

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JoruusCbaoth  3043 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 6:27pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
Unless there was one in between Ackbar and Sovv, just the three that I know of, the third being Kre'fey

 

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Ultima_1  5234 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 7:47pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
Very rarely. Most would probably rotate back to training facilities and help train new recruits.

But that still doesn't explain how alot of the high ranking officials can switch organizations. Do all of them get training in fleet ops before going into there chosen profession?


Actually, by law, the commander of a Carrier Group must be a naval aviator. It was made a law before WW2 to keep traditionalist battleship captains from getting command, as most of them didn't like the concept of carriers and would have grossly underused the airplanes.

 

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AdmiralNick22  6913 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 8:14pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
Joruus is correct. There have been only three Supreme Commanders:

Admiral Ackbar: Supreme Commander from founding of NR to nearly 21 years after the battle of Endor. The big fish.

Admiral Sovv: Supreme Commander from start of Vong Invasion to the end.

Admiral Kre'fey: Supreme Commander at the end of the NJO.

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Pellaeon-Firke  5313 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/04 8:33pm Subject: RE: Starfighter / Fleet Command and Army Ranking ladder
then who was commading the fleet while ackbar was on Mon Calamari in Jedi Academy Trilogy, unless i'm forgetting the events of those books.

 

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