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CeiranHarmony  4498 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 8:02am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
yub, Corran.. "Vode An" hits right the point of being Mandalorian! I love these songs.. even my girlfriend loves them. Have to stop trying to sing them on mandalorian *gg* but they are just cool.

 

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Quiet_Mandalorian  8380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 9:17am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide - Date Edited: 6/20/05 9:37am (2 edits total) Edited By: Quiet_Mandalorian
CeiranHarmony posted:
mandalorian Iron only armour would be too heavy to wear in combat. the Kotor armour as well as the supercommando armour looks like duraplast, but is said to have mandalorian Iron in it,so I assumed these elements were mixed. the mandalorian iron only armour shell was worn by the crusaders and the taung only, I think, because this reptiloid species was stronger than the humans later on, who empowered themselves partially with drugs and stims to be stronger than the average person


I'll have to conclude that the "fact" that Mandalorian iron armour is supposedly too heavy to be effectively employed by humans is due to only cursory analysis by complacent Republic historians who've never actually worn the armour itself, much like the Victorian misconception that a medieval knight's armour weighed him down so much that he was incapable of rising to his feet if knocked off his horse.

 

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DarthReven  2800 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 9:21am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
CeiranHarmony, are you sure about the super-comando armor? In the Jnago Fett open seasons, Jaster takes a barage of BLASTER CANON fire. While yes, he ides, the barge would have instantly killed a normal man with armor. In the "square" where Jaster is hit by the canons( dont confuse it with the one where he gets hit in the knee) only of the shots go through his body.Even then, the one that went through was a hti of 2 combined shots. And itwas in a space where the armor only partioly protected him.( the area around the ammo belt) While 1-2 shots missed, another 1-2 hit but didnt go through. So i belive mandal supr comando armor was togher then belivied. And in the same comic, you nevr see the jedi go for the armor plates. They always went for the un-protected neck. ( i might be drawing to much form the comic, but it has some interesting points)


My conclusion: against lightsabers: better than normal. can MAYBe take a couple of hits to the plates. about 3 max)

Blasters: about 5-7 for a rifle. More for a pistol.
NOTE: the higher numbers are for more well-made and mandal iron intensive armor.


Do know, i am not trying to insult your knowledge, but i am trying to think of hwo the mandals were able to fight the Jedi in close-comabt if they were killed before they go there or form a lightsaber. * during the mandal wars, and later confrentations*

 

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Mavrick889  4566 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 9:25am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
Spooky. I used to live in Cirencester, right opposite an estate once owned by said Rajah.

Is it an omen?


I spent an evening in Cirencester on the first leg of a bike trip through the Cotswalds last fall. Quite a nice town.

 

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CeiranHarmony  4498 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 9:34am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide - Date Edited: 6/20/05 9:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: CeiranHarmony
I am sure about what I said, DarthReven. Each medium presents a story different. See clone wars series which overpowered the jedi etc. we have to interpret the level of each stories power compared to its medium it ispresented in. I wrote an essay about that, you might search it on the boards and read it.

The Supercommandoarmour is like, Clone armour and neocrusader armour built to divert stray shots etc. or protect against melee attacks. it can take several direct hits, but not much of them. And also the power of the blaster shot does count. if it was a low power shot the armour can absorb more, if it is a high power shot or medium power it will absorb less shots. (see computer games, they portray this pretty well: some blasters kill through armour with 1 or 2 shots, others are weaker and need several shots more).

example: we know boba Fett has that deep mark on his helmets top from a blaster shot. there you may see how much damage a medium blaster shot does to mandalorian armour. This implies, 1 to 3 shots it might take, but with each the armour gets weaker and if shots hit the same spots more often,you are faster dead than if they hit several spots, and each only once. (see enemy of the empire comic and several other sources that tell how the damage was done)

it really is just a matter of physic and earthlike armour knowledge. the armour is good, but it isn´t a protection against a rain of blaster fire. comics often portray it that way to create more dramatic effects. they want their character to be a superhero. but the real thing, as described in novels (who seem powered down compared to comics or tv media in some cases) we see more realistic evaluation of how much is too much. In an novel a Jedi has a hard time against 3 opponents, in the movie he can take out several hundred, in a comic he takes down dozens with ease. you see.. we have to interpret it a little bit to get the more realistic picture.

We know and can assume that mandalorian armour is far better than other combat suites, but it isn´t invincible and as tough as some might envision it to be. besides, if an armour is too perfect there is no thrill and fun in reading mandalorian stuff because they would always win.

I think it takes even less lightsaber strikes than you proposed. 2 at the most, one to weaken the armour, the other to cut through. Mace did strike at jangos head/neck only because it was the weak spot of the armour in AOTC.

your blaster numbers seem quite right to me, might work, depending on what I explained above.

and you don´t insult me, I love to discuss this matter with you and like to get new inspiration. I am not omniscient, but I try to incorporate as many views upon a topic as possible

 

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Quiet_Mandalorian  8380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 9:59am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
I didn't catch anything there that seemed like a reference to what I said previously regarding the weight of Mandalorian iron.

I'm assuming for the time being that this means you haven't any objection to the theory, or else you simply haven't responded to it yet.

 

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Date Posted: 6/20/05 10:08am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
I didn't catch anything there that seemed like a reference to what I said previously regarding the weight of Mandalorian iron.

I'm assuming for the time being that this means you haven't any objection to the theory, or else you simply haven't responded to it yet.


This probably won't help much, but the Holocron doesn't give any specific figures. Thought I'd check just in case. The best I can offer from this end is the description "near impervious", and even then we're talking about lightsaber blows.

Jango really should have invested in a stand-up collar. sad

 

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CeiranHarmony  4498 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 10:10am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
I read it and it seems to be working well. the weigth of the mandalorian Iron might be just a believe of the historians. though I think it is still slightly heavier than other armour, because the reptilian species was stronger and wouldn´t mind.

the humans might just have started modifying it with other alloys to improve it, because that is what humans like to do, instead of keepint it as it is. see cars f.e. the old cars still drive like hell and are robust. they survive after 30 or more years of service and still work under weather conditions like storms, sand in deserts etc. but after mankind "improved" their cars, those cars of today are less durable than the old ones and die much faster than the old good metal cars. too much plastic alloys mixed into in the newer ones.

 

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Quiet_Mandalorian  8380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 10:28am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide - Date Edited: 6/20/05 10:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: Quiet_Mandalorian
CeiranHarmony posted:
I read it and it seems to be working well. the weigth of the mandalorian Iron might be just a believe of the historians. though I think it is still slightly heavier than other armour, because the reptilian species was stronger and wouldn´t mind.


Thanks.

I'm in agreement with you that Mandalorian iron armour would be heavier than duraplast or other materials, but I don't believe it would be outside the norms of human ability to wear it in battle. I can imagine how such a mistake regarding whether something was to heavy to be used effectively or not could be made. Sixty-five lbs is a lot of steel to carry in your arms, but distributed across your body in a suit of plate armour you can move freely, running, cartwheeling, sprinting for short distances and even performing handsprings (if you're strong enough).

CeiranHarmony posted:
the humans might just have started modifying it with other alloys to improve it, because that is what humans like to do, instead of keepint it as it is. see cars f.e. the old cars still drive like hell and are robust. they survive after 30 or more years of service and still work under weather conditions like storms, sand in deserts etc. but after mankind "improved" their cars, those cars of today are less durable than the old ones and die much faster than the old good metal cars. too much plastic alloys mixed into in the newer ones.


I like that theory. laugh

KarenTraviss posted:
This probably won't help much, but the Holocron doesn't give any specific figures. Thought I'd check just in case. The best I can offer from this end is the description "near impervious", and even then we're talking about lightsaber blows.

Jango really should have invested in a stand-up collar.


Thanks Karen.

Alas poor Jango, if only he had worn a gorget. tired

 

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Date Posted: 6/20/05 10:48am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:

Jango really should have invested in a stand-up collar.


Thanks Karen.

Alas poor Jango, if only he had worn a gorget. tired

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Would that have reached high enough up his neck to thwart Windu, though? Most gorgets sit on the top of the thoracic triangle, says she having had a fascinating debate with Ryan Kaufman when she first saw the Katarn armour for RCHC. ("Vulnerable point!" I squealed. "Noooo!") If you look at Jango's helmet, it's cut high under the jaw and round the back of the neck. He needed a plate extended down the back of the neck at least, Roman or Roundhead-style.

I'm always good on hindsight. And then Boba goes for the same style. I tell him, but will he listen?

 

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Quiet_Mandalorian  8380 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 11:26am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide - Date Edited: 6/20/05 11:29am (2 edits total) Edited By: Quiet_Mandalorian
KarenTraviss posted:
Would that have reached high enough up his neck to thwart Windu, though? Most gorgets sit on the top of the thoracic triangle, says she having had a fascinating debate with Ryan Kaufman when she first saw the Katarn armour for RCHC. ("Vulnerable point!" I squealed. "Noooo!") If you look at Jango's helmet, it's cut high under the jaw and round the back of the neck. He needed a plate extended down the back of the neck at least, Roman or Roundhead-style.

I'm always good on hindsight. And then Boba goes for the same style. I tell him, but will he listen?


The solution: Mandalorian iron bevor. grin

 

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Date Posted: 6/20/05 11:44am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
KarenTraviss posted:
Would that have reached high enough up his neck to thwart Windu, though? Most gorgets sit on the top of the thoracic triangle, says she having had a fascinating debate with Ryan Kaufman when she first saw the Katarn armour for RCHC. ("Vulnerable point!" I squealed. "Noooo!") If you look at Jango's helmet, it's cut high under the jaw and round the back of the neck. He needed a plate extended down the back of the neck at least, Roman or Roundhead-style.

I'm always good on hindsight. And then Boba goes for the same style. I tell him, but will he listen?


The solution: Mandalorian iron bevor. grin




And it looks cool too. Might get in the way of the rocket-launcher thingie, though.

But what the hell. The more I look at my Boba figure here, the more I think, "Son, you're not really wearing that armour for protection, are you? It's just PR to say the Mando Boys are coming."

 

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CeiranHarmony  4498 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 11:48am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
hey Karen, he didn´t need protection, but the armour drew the ladies into his arms (see ROTJ special edition).

though sadly I know he was an eunuch after Sintas. What a honorful man.

 

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Date Posted: 6/20/05 11:57am Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide
CeiranHarmony posted:
hey Karen, he didn´t need protection, but the armour drew the ladies into his arms (see ROTJ special edition).

though sadly I know he was an eunuch after Sintas. What a honorful man.


Hey, I knew that armour didn't cover enough bits, but...eunuch? Surely not?

Celibate, I hope. Not...y'know. Or have I missed something very, very important? shock

 

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CeiranHarmony  4498 posts
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Date Posted: 6/20/05 12:03pm Subject: RE: The Official Mandalorian Reference Guide - Date Edited: 6/20/05 12:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: CeiranHarmony
Oooops my wrong, sorry for shocking you! He didn´t wear that BIG genital protecition for nothing^^ I just used the wrong word. I hope you can forgive me, Lady Mandalore ;-)

 

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