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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/31/05 5:43pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Lightsabers with power chords=the stupid
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rogue_wookiee Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 5/31/05 5:51pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	I agree. Lightsabers should not be musical instruments. -----signature----- “You’re probably the biggest taxer in the country, even bigger than the Congress,” - Ron Paul on the Federal Reserve. Be aware of inflation and how it affects our daily life. http://mises.org/story/2914 -What You Should Know About Inflation
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 5/31/05 7:20pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 5/31/05 7:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue1-and-a-half
	For what it's worth, I was referring to the Sith's physical design when I called them Satanic . . . red skin, goatees, horns (of a sort), etc. I can certainly see the Egyptian motif as well. A lot of great comments, guys . . . this is exactly how I was hoping you'd respond. 4,999 Years before ANH: The Fall of the Sith Empire – Kevin J. Anderson So, Jori gets back the Republic, but no one believes her story, thinking that she made it up to avoid going to prison for stealing her ship. Okay . . . Okay, at the conclusion of The Golden Age of the Sith, Naga Sadow killed his main rival within the Sith, Ludo Kressh by blowing up his ship. At the beginning of this story, Ludo returns, having faked his death, and attacks Sadow again. Sadow kills him . . . by blowing up his ship. Okay, Gav’s upset because Sadow manipulated him into pushing the button that blew up Ludo. But seriously, let’s look at this. In complete innocence, Gav pushes a button that Sadow has previously wired to blow up Ludo’s ship. Who is really responsible? I think any reasonable person would have to say that Sadow committed the “action” that resulted in Ludo’s death. And can you really open yourself to the Dark Side by killing someone accidentally? I sure hope not. I think the intent is what makes an action partake of the Dark Side, not the action itself. So, Gav’s fall is flawed, seriously flawed. Jori manages to convince Empress Teta of the truth of her story, thanks to Odan Urr and his vision. At this point, the story starts to cohere and the whole thing swings up in quality. Okay, the action sequences here are pretty good. The attack on Coruscant especially is beautifully drawn. Equally intelligent is the idea of Empress Teta offering pardons to those rebels who fought against her previously if they will now will fight on her side against the Sith. It’s a nice touch and has actually been used in real life. Okay, the brain like creature that lives in a container gets a heroic death by puncturing his container and letting out the noxious gases that he lives on to kill many of the approaching Sith army. This, of course, also leads to his own death. It gives us the only truly emotional moment thus far when Odan-Urr, having defeated the Sith army by striking at its illusory elements with the power of his mind, kneels by his master and muses, “Much more than an illusion . . .” I should also mention that the Hutt gets a great death scene (they usually do) and he dies heroically (they usually don’t). So Jori shows up just as Gav is bending over the dead Hutt covered in his blood. She assumes he’s killed Aarba and attacks him. Gav flees, rather than simply gaining a little distance and telling her he’s innocent. And I mean there is a war going on . . . couldn’t you give your brother the shadow of a doubt? Naga Sadow proceeds to lead Gav, Jori and Empress Teta’s fleet into a trap. He makes a star go nova (thank you, Kevin J. Anderson . . . I wonder if you’ll ever do that again . . .), killing Gav and it’s fittingly emotional. Okay, now this is just ludicrous. Ludo Kressh was presumed dead at the end of The Golden Age of the Sith when Sadow blew up his ship. He returned at the start of this story and Sadow blew up his ship again. Here, at the climax of this story, Kressh returns AGAIN and Sadow blows up his ship AGAIN! This time, judging from the next few books, he actually dies, but still, get a grip, man, that’s just stupid. And this one ends with the Sith beaten back, Naga Sadow presumed dead and setting up shop on Yavin 4 (ooh, neato, a tie in!), starting to build some temples that we’ll see later on and Jori running Aarba the Hutt’s shop, Empress Teta back in command and Odan-Urr returning to his master’s homeworld to set up a library. How charming. All in all, this one was a vast improvement over the first volume. It was more emotional and the battle scenes were done better. However, it still fails to really engage. * out of **** stars. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/31/05 7:37pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 5/31/05 7:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	I think Sadow was just playing on Gav's weak mindedness. He blames himself for killing someone and its the first step in corrupting the poor boy. You know its amusing, Naga Sadow is the only one of the Sith to show remotely 'Sith'-like qualities through this entire arc and damn near single handidly destroys the empire
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Valin__Kenobi Title: Author: Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/31/05 7:45pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Lightsabers with power chords=the stupid I agree. Lightsabers should not be musical instruments. Personally, I liked the idea of power cords--after all, you have to show some technological progression over 5 millennia. -----signature----- Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Fanboy: http://blogs.starwars.com/valinkenobi Generation Bantam/KJA/WEG "Before the "Oprah effect" bookstores were like monasteries. Now it's like going to Best Buy." -- Arawn_Fenn
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/31/05 7:47pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 7/29 8:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	*And can you really open yourself to the Dark Side by killing someone accidentally? I sure hope not. I think the intent is what makes an action partake of the Dark Side, not the action itself. I think the guilt a person can burden upon themselves from such a scenario can lead to the darkside. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/31/05 7:48pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	In a SWORD though?
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/31/05 7:51pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Energy sword -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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GrandAdmiralJello Title: Emperor • EUC • JCC Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 5/31/05 8:11pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	What if you hand got caught in the cord? That'd be bad. -----signature----- SPQR Vates Jυλιαδις Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque - Ennius Tu regere imperio populos, Romanæ, memento; hæ tibi erunt artes; pascisque imponere morem, parcere subjectis et debellare superbos - Virgil
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 5/31/05 8:13pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 5/31/05 8:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Excellence
	The Lambda shuttle has a point. But master swordsman never get caught. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Rogue_Ten Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 5/31/05 8:13pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Well, they certainly aren't going to be doing any of that flippy crap from the prequel era. -----signature----- Hey. It's been two months. Whutdupwitdat. Send the above request? No_______Yes
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Sturm Antilles Title: Former Manager Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 6/1/05 2:37am Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	You know, I recently reread the whole TotJ series again preceding RotS, and I enjoyed it more than ever. Although, yes, TGAotS and FotSE are the weakest of the lot. You know what's interesting...when I originally read Redemption, I was like, "Eh, that was okay. Not worthy of the hype though." Then I read it again this year and was blown away by how much I enjoyed it. Weird. -----signature----- "You're the most compliant rebel I've ever met." - jaya02 Currently reading : About seven different novels at once.
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Jon_Bidinger Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/1/05 3:16am Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	After you read comics, come on over and vote for them in EUC Comics Survivor Season 1: http://boards.theforce.net/EU_Community/b10194/19987177/?21 It is a contest I am helping run to find out the number 1 comic. -----signature----- Ke nu jurkad sha Mando'ade, burc'ya! Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur. Proud Winner of a Golden Ewok™.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 6/1/05 2:20pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Hmm, that's an interesting idea, Quest . . . if we believe ourselves to be guilty and burden ourselves with guilt, it might work in exactly the same way as if we were guilty. I can see that. That's a thought provoking idea and exactly the kind of response I was hoping I'd get through this thread: a different perspective that gets me to look at things in a bit of a different way. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Mavrick889 Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 6/1/05 3:20pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 6/1/05 3:24pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Mavrick889
	I just finished re-reading the entire Tales of the Jedi series. Final grade? I give the series as a whole a C. Great story, good designs, horrible execution. The dialogue, artwork, and expository narration, mixed with flat, poorly written 1 characters made for a very weak epic IMHO. I think, had I been in charge of this project, I'd have handled it in a very different, more character-driven way. GaotS - B- FotSE - B KotOR - A- FNU - B DLotS - D TSW - C R - A Redemption was the saving grace of the whole series. I suddenly cared about Nomi, Ulic, Sylvar and Tott. I wish the whole series had been as thoughtfully written. Granted, I think Tom Veitch was writing in a very archaic comic book-y style that has since sort of gone out of style (thank god), one with an annoying narrator voice that explains exactly what's going on in each comic panel. It's like he doesn't trust the reader. Granted, with artwork as sketchy and unclear as we see in the series as a whole, maybe he's right to use this style. Still, I'd love to have seen this series done with some stronger writers, and possibly expanded in scope. I don't think even the 35 issues allotted were enough to tell this epic well. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/clibretto2/ A Member of the Star Wars Fanboy Association. http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa
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