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Mastadge Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 6/20/05 8:39pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Agree with you on Redemption, but my recollection of Jedi vs Sith is not nearly so fond. I'll have to read it again. . . -----signature----- "This will be our reply to violence: To make music more intensely, More beautifully, More devotedly than ever before." - Leonard Bernstein
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Mavrick889 Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 6/20/05 9:25pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	FINALLY, someone else who appreciates Jedi vs. Sith as much as I do. I honestly think it's one of the best stories the EU has to offer, and certainly one of the best comics in Dark Horse's line. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/clibretto2/ A Member of the Star Wars Fanboy Association. http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa
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razzy1319 Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 6/20/05 9:50pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	did falfalla die with the rest of them? -----signature----- In Space No One Can Hear Your Scream, Except For The BattleCry Of A Galactic Marine -Fictional BattleCry My Kind Weren't Made To Kneel -Fictional Clone Trooper Worst Admin Ever - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 6/20/05 11:05pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 7/29 8:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	The first work I'm really able to look at since Redemption, this one takes place almost 2,000 years later. Approx. 3,000 years later, actually. (Redemption= about 4k BBY, JvS= about 1k BBY) -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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burrie Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 6/21/05 7:39am Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	I personally did enjoy Jedi Vs. Sith as well, if only because it shows a complete radical different side of the Jedi. These are not the same kind of Jedi that we tend to see in stories like the TOTJ saga, KotOR or the prequel... no, these are the folks who are simply go in there, battle where they need to battle, defeat evil where there is evil, and are not tied up by any sort of code. The closest thing to a code that they have might be the "We fight because we must" speech that's given before one of the battles. Another point that I rather liked is how it seemed that a whole lot, a whole lot more had been happening before Jedi Vs. Sith, and we're often not really told why. Mostly, this is because we're watching the stories from the point of view from the three younglins(for the lack of a better word). Examples include the relationship that Githany and Charney seemed to share, the backstory of Lord Hoth, Kopecz(honestly, there's more to that twi'lek than meets the eye, his "I made my decision a long time ago" line just seems to imply... something), Farfalla and quite a few other things out there as well. Heck, I even tend to have a feeling that there's a whole lot more going on about the man that Darovit/Tomcat sees near the valley who mentions that they're all gone. They could easily do a "Tales of the Jedi vs. Sith" with the many characters that the comic features. And I'm still on the Fence wether Tomcat did or didn't have control of the Force. Sure, there IS a talk later on where he is accused of using the Force to allow Zannah to come along, but what's to say that she didn't do the task herself after all? I always rather liked the plot twist at the end that Tomcat never was a Force User or a Jedi at all to begin with. I mean, why else would he have been able to survive the whole ordeal? -----signature----- "The console to unlock the door is probably hidden in some room twelve floors up, or something. How does that make sense?" - K. Katarn "Ace stole the shuttle from Wedge. An embarrassing tactical mishap quietly forgotten." - Best explanation for Tydirium
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/21/05 11:22am Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	I think Tomcat was a Force user, he just was an extraordinarily weak one that in time COULD have become a jedi. He was recognized for his force potential but he thinks he's Anakin when he's really Tionne. Frankly, I hated Jedi vs. Sith. I won't bore you with the details but... * Bad art (Zannah is Darth Cindel Tonwei) * Storyline with no build up to how we got here * Darth Bane is EVILLLLLLLL because he KILLS CHILDREN! He kills children in every appearence he makes. He's the most pathetic Dark Lord ever. He talks a good game but as least Naga Sadow DID something other than pick on helpless younglings. * The Jedi are not Jedi, they're an angry gang of thugs from the Lord of the Rings * The characters are uninteresting * KIDS! UGh
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 6/21/05 2:12pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Charlemagne, I forgot to respond to your post about Ulic being on a Dark Side binge of sorts. I think that's the best explanation I've heard yet and it begins to ring true for me. But I still hate the idea of Sith poison that makes you fall to the Dark Side. And, yes, burrie, you've hit what I loved. The characters and the relationships ring true. Bane, Githany, Charny, Farfalla, Hoth, Kahn, Pernicar, all these guys seem real and honest. And I do love this grittier look at the Jedi. As I mentioned, the line "Stars knows I wouldn't be here if I could do anything else," is just a stunner. So, I was a bit vague in my reference to Zannah falling to the Dark Side after her floater buddy was killed. I stand by my remark that that scene is the finest example of a fall to the Dark Side in the entire EU. That moment when she looks up and meets the killer's gaze and they share a look of pure beauty, grief turning to rage, remorse turning to horror . . . I just really got that, how incredibly easy it would be to just slip into taht kind of anger. What's the prevailing sentiment about that? -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Mavrick889 Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 6/21/05 2:40pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 6/21/05 2:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Mavrick889
	I thought it worked too. It would be like seeing a drunk driver who's just killed your best friend...there would be no logical thought process, just rage. I also think it's sort of silly that people get upset about how the Jedi are portrayed in this. Remember, this is the last time we see the Jedi before the prequel era. In the prequel era, they're not so impressive either (certainly not the all-powerful demigods they are in Tales of the Jedi). And also, remember, these Jedi have been on-again-off-again at war with the Sith for nearly a millennium at the time of Jedi vs. Sith. Of course they look like they've stepped out of the dark ages. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/clibretto2/ A Member of the Star Wars Fanboy Association. http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/21/05 3:48pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project - Date Edited: 6/21/05 3:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	I can understand your sentiment about the Sith poison there. Honestly though, I do like some idea that the Sith have "traps" for Jedi to fall to the Dark Side and the use of drugs just seem to be one. That many people just assume ulic fell solely because of the poison though is a mistake in the writing. Especially when Ulic kills the assassins trying to save themselves. It doesn't take that much to be a Jedi. It's a fairly primitive philosophy. It's interesting they're so utterly pathetic and barbaric. But I'd prefer to see how they got there honestly. Just my thought.
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sithlord-3 Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 6/21/05 11:01pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	can u please send me a link or picture of the ancient sith and the interbrede ! pleaseeee pleasse soemone said said their red skin, someone said theire dark skined, somesaid they got pink skin, whit one is it and who has those weird tyhings next to their mouth
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dizfactor Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 6/22/05 3:03am Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	my recollection of Jedi vs Sith is not nearly so fond. I'll have to read it again. . . me, too. i will admit i read it rather quickly, and a few years ago. the conviction with which Rogue's written this review has convinced me to give this a second chance. -----signature----- "Play is going to be for the 21st century what steam was to the 19th century." Julian Dibbell "You gotta love an elite killing force that you can fool by putting on a hat." Gryph
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 6/23/05 7:27pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Bane of the Sith – Kevin J. Anderson This one’s available on Hyperspace, I think, but I haven’t read it. Too bad, since I found Bane to actually be an incredibly interesting character. Not that that means anything when Kevin J.’s in the house, but it would have been nice to see what he did with the guy. 996 Years Before ANH: All for You – Adam Gallardo This one can be found in the Star Wars Tales, Vol. 5 trade paperback. I have to say that I really, really hate this art. Everyone has feet twice as big as their heads. What the hell is that about? This one’s pretty slight. A Jedi crash lands on a barren planet and dies, leaving an artifact of some kind with the settlers to protect. The youth of the settlement want to use the artifact as a ticket off world with the Sith, conflict between the generations ensues, tragedy . . . etc. And the appearance of Darth Bane, the great villain I praised to a ludicrous degree in my review of Jedi Vs. Sith, shows up. His feet are, strangely twice as big as his head. There is one legitimately great moment, when, after surveying the carnage, Bane calmly confiscates the artifact and walks back to his speeder bike. The great moment comes in that split second when he is silhoutted in the doorway of a hut and he is TOSSING THE ARTIFACT UP IN THE AIR! It’s a great moment. I mean, it just speaks volumes about the guy. But the ending totally ruins the story. Had Bane killed everyone, it would have been better. But he leaves one boy alive, totally at random it seems. Seems very out of character. All in all, a lightweight story that gets half a star off for having extremely stupid art. * ½ out of **** stars. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/23/05 7:30pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	*But the ending totally ruins the story. Had Bane killed everyone, it would have been better. But he leaves one boy alive, totally at random it seems. Seems very out of character. It's actually a fairly common device in comic books and shows Bane's roots as a villain. Bane leaves the kid alone because if he'd just killed the kid then there would have been a mystery about why Bane did what he did. Bane left him alive so that people would know he did it solely because he could and that he could not be bribed/negotiated with/or flattered. He left him alive so the story of his reputation would go on.
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ThrawnRocks Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 6/23/05 7:47pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Rogue: I'm assuming your looking forward to that Sith Era book that's going to be a character study on Darth Bane? -----signature----- My Icons: http://www.powow.com/thrawnrocks/icons.html Roan Fel's badassery knows no bounds. "The next Allston book should be all Syal and Myri, all the time." - Jello
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/23/05 7:49pm Subject: RE: Journey Through the EU: A Retrospective Project
	Knights of the Old Republic * The story is a fairly typical one in RPGs, much like Planescape: Torment or Baldur's Gate (in fact the plot is identical). You wake up with amnesia and gradually discover the horrible secrets about yourself. * The characters are an interesting and motley (and I do mean motley) of companions. A Renegade Assassin Droid A Jedi who failed and think she's gone to the Dark Side when she really hasn't. A washed up Naval Officer who has trust issues A decidedly arrogant Jedi A Mandalorian mercenary A Qui Gon like Jedi master A wookie (just a wookie) A 14 year old Jailbait Twilek character * The entire game more or less invalidates Tales of the Jedi sadly. Much like the NJo and the Galactic Civil War. As soon as Ulic and Exar are defeated, the Mandalorians attack en masse and later the Sith start to dominate the galaxy. * The information on the history of the Mandalorians is fairly invaluable in this game. You discover their past, their code, and also a good idea why they consider themselves honorable even if they're willing to burn the surfaces off planets. * The information on the Sith is also pretty invaluable. Aside from being summarized, we also get the Sith's Code here. The Sith are certainly focused on themselves but its not an innately evil code. * The Rakata are a pretty big addition to the galaxy's history. Apparently, just prior to the Republic there was a massive Empire of super intelligent force users that spanned the universe. They weren't limited to this galaxy but suddenly promptly died out. * Darth Revan and Darth Malak are fairly typical Sith. They're a pair of Jedi that fell to the Dark Side of the Force and were anointed Sith by the Dark Lords of Korriban. Revan's backstory here is actually pretty good though (nevermind 2). He fell because he used any means necessary to win the war and Jedi can't do that. Malak is more typical but at least he's a nasty cuss and that's all that's needed in a Sith. * Blink and you'll miss them is the first droid/human relationship and lesbian relationship in SW (actually second is the subtext in I, Jedi was right), * The Romance with Bastilla is especially well written and almost as good is Carth/Revan (you can play as a man or woman). KOTOR Remains the best of the Star Wars video games in terms of continuity and storytelling.
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