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RE: "Unknown Soldier: The Story of General Grievous" & "Lord of War" by Abel & Joe (SWI #86)
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TalonCard posted:
I would really have liked to see more about Grievous during the Clone Wars--Unknown Soldier really just skimmed over that part of his life, which I thought was odd.
Right, and that was a decision I had to make pretty quick. What do I spend this word count budget on, recounting Grievous' activities in the Clone Wars or giving people something new? Ultimately, I thought getting into Grievous' background was juicier.
TalonCard posted:
(What Grievous was doing at Xagobah, why Tarkin, Anakin, two other Jedi and an Iron Knight were there...seems like over kill...)
Sounds like one helluva party, eh? 
TalonCard posted:
I found this on a fan Disney Q@A page:
>I know that Sonny Eclipse is actually a duplicate of Officer Zzzzyxxx from Tokyo Disneyland's Star Tours/Pan Galactic Pizza Port complex, but was this alien originally created for Plectu's Revue?<
http://jimhillmedia.com/mb/articles/printer_friendly.php?ID=437
Could be wrong, of course, but interesting if true...
Definitely! Good find. Now to confirm...
000 posted:
You know, Abel, thanks to that icon of yours whenever I read about Ventor I picture him looking like that Palpatine image. 
How can you not love a face like that? Heh heh. If TFN ever makes a Halagad icon, I'll switch. But as far as villains go, Palp's always been my favorite.
Barriss_Coffee posted:
I agree.... it's permanently damaged his reputation.
Then again... maybe Ventor's really a clone of Palpatine!!!! 
Old Ventor doesn't actually look too far off! That dark side stuff is bad news.
Rogue_Follower posted:
Actually, Halagad was pretty decrepit (and was wearing Palpy-class robes) when the heroes find him in Domain of Evil, IIRC...
Ironically, Old Ventor is actually toothless, where as Sidious just looks toothless.
Take care,
Abel
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You'll have to torture it out of me!
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razzy1319 posted:
About Lumiya's Cyborged body...
Darth Vader had already found a way to repair his ravaged body through the force and with Shira being his only surviving apprentice I thought maybe He taught it to her...
That's a good point, though Shadows of the Empire shows that the process Vader uses to heal himself requires opening up to the light side of the Force fully for extended periods. So it depends on how willing Shira is to let go of her anger. Even Vader couldn't do it for long.
razzy1319 posted:
so what could Lumiya be doing other than planning Luke's downfall all this time? Rebuilding her body of course, quite possibly enhancing it for upcoming battle for Luke's affection? kidding. She was defeated by Luke in a cyborg body, so why not increase her potency to full and hide and wait until she was at full capacity to strike.
That's what I was thinking, though I didn't think it'd be in her lifetime. When in the Emperor's Pawns I first tried to reintegrate Lumiya into the canon, I never imagined LFL was going to use her in a major story arc again.
razzy1319 posted:
About the Article...
More narrative but with the same amount of EU connections...
The name of the game. 
Eyrezer posted:
Hey Abel, do you read fanfic?
Once upon a time, before my LFL days. That's where I got my start, if you take my meaning. But no longer. Besides the legal this-and-that, I just don't have much time these days. It's hard enough just keeping up with all the official Star Wars material coming out while still pursuing other interests.
Eyrezer posted:
Oh and Abel, very cool naming for Sageon and Bridger! Very subtle. Just noticed your comment on Dan's blog. 
There's a bit of backstory to that. Waiting for the Grievous Endnotes...
Lando: "Abel'll have those endnotes up, we just gotta give him more time!"
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Abel
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That's what I was thinking, though I didn't think it'd be in her lifetime. When in the Emperor's Pawns I first tried to reintegrate Lumiya into the canon, I never imagined LFL was going to use her in a major story arc again.
Just promise us there'll be a more convincing reason for her 25-year absence than "plotting".
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Halagad_Ventor posted:
That's a good point, though Shadows of the Empire shows that the process Vader uses to heal himself requires opening up to the light side of the Force fully for extended periods. So it depends on how willing Shira is to let go of her anger. Even Vader couldn't do it for long.
I thought it was the reverse, he healed himself with the dark side, using pure anger, rage and hate - but when he healed himself it made him happy, a light side trait, which reversed the healing and made him a cripple again.
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Woops! Yeah, your order is the right one, TheEmpireStrikes.
So in that case it still depends on the extent of the damages to Shira's body. Even Vader couldn't regrow new limbs.
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CooperTFN posted:
[quote=]Just promise us there'll be a more convincing reason for her 25-year absence than "plotting".
She's been... busy.
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Getting busy?
Cause if so, theres a young Sith on the block!
Hmmmm....a Sith regrowing limbs. Imagine a Gen'dai sith! They could do it, and be pretty damn unstoppable bar any nearby stars to be chucked into.
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Joe's Making of is up, off to read it now!
http://blogs.starwars.com/joecorroney/32
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Super_Battle_Droid posted:
Joe's Making of is up, off to read it now!
http://blogs.starwars.com/joecorroney/32
You guys are quick, I just posted that!
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Even Vader couldn't regrow new limbs
Odd really, considering that in Lando Calrissian and the
Mindharp of Sharu Lando possibly loses his toes, but
that is not considered to be big deal, because they can
be regenerated, though it would be painful...
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A great making of to some great art Joe, can't wait to see more of your art in Vader's Legacy!
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Hi, all. Finally got a chance to read through both Grievous articles in full and, first off, just wanted to pass on my thanks to all concerned in their creation. Grievous is one of only a pair of SW characters which I've ever really liked and gotten 'into' over the past umpteem decades I've been keeping casual tabs on the SW universe, so the fact he got any further attention from you 'official' folks at all earns a lot of gratitude from me right there. Of course, a whole novel devoted to him would be even better, but for now I'll take whatever I can get...
Anyhoo, here back 'atcha is some response from one old bat of a Grievous fan who was already an adult when the first Star Wars movie hit the theatres... On the whole, I thought you did a commendable job of creating a Grievous background which, firstly, acknowledged a LOT of the official appearances the character's made to date. That couldn't have been easy and you collected and addressed just about all the ones I'm aware of very well. Secondly, I think you did an equally good job of coming up with a good background for what I see as Grievous' main target audience. It was more complex than I expected and I found plenty of the sort of stuff I know kids like, and the illos were very well suited in that sense as well...your Grievous ultimately came off seeming rather like the space version of an Afghan tribal chief and warlord, given a tad of a PC whitewash to make some of his actions a bit more palatible, or at least that's how he came off to me. I also got kind of a personal kick out of the occasional vagueness and all the throwaway bits, and confess I snickered over the inclusion of a certain couple of events in particular which left the character seeming so angsty (even wangsty, I'd say) that I just know he's going to make a lot of fanfic writers very, very happy. Tragic driven villains who are emotionally, totally screwed up...yup, that'll do it every time! I don't know if this last is something you even had in mind when you created his background, but that's what your take on Grievous will always be for me now.
My only real disappointment--and this is coming from a more personal and adult level now--is that for a guy who's supposed to be an alien, Grievous sure doesn't act like an alien. In fact, if it hadn't been for my own prior knowledge and the odd mention of Kaleesh being tusked and reptilian and such (and the illos, of course), there's absolutely nothing in either article that would have made me think the Kaleesh were anything but a bunch of space-going SF humans, different culturally perhaps, but not so in any important biological, mental or emotional way. I suppose there just wasn't time to think out a whole different species background per se from the evolutionary roots up, yet still wish there could have been a few tiny hints of some profound differences, sigh... BUT, again, that's mainly personal preference. SW aliens as a whole have always struck me as seeming more like goofy-looking ethnics than science-based, other-worldly species anyway, and that never bothered me before, so even I have to admit that it seems a bit petty of me to whine about this at all just because I've finally found a SW dude who really interests me...
In closing then, good job, and thanks once more! I'll be keeping an eye out for any further addendums to your Grievous work to date, and do hope you consider doing more 'Grevousy' projects in the future.
Cheers!
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What a great post Thanks for the kudos, Biddybot!
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At heart, I always think that Star Wars is more about a human drama so that "alien" is actually a matter of diversity. The human race is itself incredibly diverse and there's plenty enough to handle all the oddities and diversities of our universe without making weird qualities for aliens that might not make any sense.
The "humanity" of Grevious I actually felt was a far better choice than trying to make the Khaleesh have anything randomly 'odd' off of them. The very fact that the Khaleesh are so normal and yet are ignored by the Republic (even when the Huk are EATING their children) only adds to the tragedy and senselessness of humanocentrism.
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