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Rogue_Follower
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RE: "Unknown Soldier: The Story of General Grievous" & "Lord of War" by Abel & Joe (SWI #86)
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Hmmm... here in Cincinnati we have a Purple People Bridge... 
>>>You're scary, Rogue. I like it.<<<
I'm like an obnoxious Sith Zombie! 
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4/24/06 3:18pm
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RE: "Unknown Soldier: The Story of General Grievous" & "Lord of War" by Abel & Joe (SWI #86)
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TalonCard posted:
Thanks to What's the Story, we now have an Ortolan Jedi, Nem Bees. 
Was that yours, TC? I really liked that one, actually. An Ortolan Jedi! Genius. I could just see his chubby form swinging that lightsaber with more gravitas than Ghyslain.
Thrawn McEwok posted:
It's one of those things that's theoretically defined by half-a-dozen unrelated incidents in prior continuity, but only gets clearly defined when you mention it explicitly? 
I'm a fan of this method, of course. "Droids and the Force" essentially wouldn't exist without it. T-Mac just tends to do it more often.
Thrawn McEwok posted:
And... a potentially explosive question: you mention Grievous concieving of battledroid numbers "like a barely fathomable string of trinary code"... does he do his arithmetic in decimal, or not?
That is a CIS secret, I'm afraid.
Trinary immediately captured my imagination when I came across it in Force Heretic. It was about the only thing I understood in that series.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
Was that what Matthew Wood was aiming for in ROTS? It just sounded like Grievous' voice was getting muffled by his mask to me.
In general, it was supposed to be Eastern European, but I think Romanian was specifically mentioned at some point. In any case, this had an impact on the Story of Grievous, which I'll go into soon.
Gotta get on with those endnotes! Lord of War next.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
So we have a Mr. Purple Schwartz? What a dirty mind you have...
This is true.
Rogue_Follower posted:
I'm like an obnoxious Sith Zombie!
This is also true.
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Daniel-K
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Able, I have a question about Grievous and his species. We see in ROTS that Grievous is very capable of wielding 4 arms at once - they all act independently just like our two arms do, meaning that the brain and neural system is wired to accept that. The problem there in lies that the images of the Khalee show them with just two upper limbs. I realize that this is from Visionaries and you kinda got stuck with the look, but is there a rational for this? The sheer difference in tissue and neural wiring that would require is massive, look at the diference between lizards and snakes. One could put it down to SW medical tech being that advanced, but based off what we've prievously seen, its a bit like jumping straight from building the pyramids to building a space elevator. There's nothing that says it isn't the case, its just that the difference is so huge its a bit hard to swallow.
So is it just "the doctors are that awesome" or is there another explanation out there, like the Khalee having little vestigal nubs there (akin to the mating spurs some snakes have) and the doctors just amplified the connections? Or something else? Or did a crazy old wizard do it, now get off your lawn, you dern fool kids?
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Maybe the Sifo-Dyas Force-blood has something to do with it?
Also, will we ever get a placement for Kalee's location? I'm definitely hoping for it to be withint he Imperial Remnant, so that someday there might be a chance for a story of Pellaeon using Kaleesh warriors to fight the Vong...
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Maybe the Sifo-Dyas Force-blood has something to do with it?
At best, Sifo-Dyas' blood should have served as a stopgap like pig's blood can do for humans. Unless he gets retconned as a Khalee, the idea of using a human's blood in a reptile is so contradictory I don't even like thinking about it.
Also, will we ever get a placement for Kalee's location? I'm definitely hoping for it to be withint he Imperial Remnant, so that someday there might be a chance for a story of Pellaeon using Kaleesh warriors to fight the Vong...
Bah, why must everything stick around and be important? Have them end up a foot note in history with some random insignificant Moff Base Delta Zeroing their world for no particular reason in the ROTS-ANH time gap. Senseless violence happens all the time, and it affects thousnads of lives. Why not show that?
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There are already enough one-time worlds and alien species. What's the point of introducing Grievous as a whole new species and developing its backstory if they're never going to be used again?
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There's over 60 million inhabitied worlds and 20 million sapient species. No, there are hardly enough one time mentions.
Besides, it makes for a great bit - Grievous gave up everything to serve Sidious to protect his people. And his sacrafice was in vain as the entire species was wiped out. Makes the Vader tie-in that much stronger.
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Halagad_Ventor posted:
TalonCard posted:
Thanks to What's the Story, we now have an Ortolan Jedi, Nem Bees.
Was that yours, TC? I really liked that one, actually. An Ortolan Jedi! Genius. I could just see his chubby form swinging that lightsaber with more gravitas than Ghyslain.
Mine, actually. And thank you.
Daniel-K posted:
So is it just "the doctors are that awesome" or is there another explanation out there, like the Khalee having little vestigal nubs there (akin to the mating spurs some snakes have) and the doctors just amplified the connections? Or something else? Or did a crazy old wizard do it, now get off your lawn, you dern fool kids?
Grievous had pretty extensive neural work done with various droid implants, and we've seen droids be able to handle all sorts of limb configurations. It could be that sensory input and instructions for the arms are handed off to a separate processor. It's probably made simpler by the fact that Grievous' original muscles and nerves seem to be either nonexistent or at least nonfunctional.
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Hey, Cay stuck a robo arm to his shoulder no probs, right? 
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Hey, Cay stuck a robo arm to his shoulder no probs, right?
Personally, I regard those stories as the SW equivlent to Jerry Bruckheimer's Pearl Harbor - "historical" films big on flash, low on facts. How else do you explain a galaxy spanning civilization holding off a planetary invasions with pointy sticks? The fact that the new KotOR and stuff about that era is retconning it like crazy )e.g. the new look of the basalisk war droid, lack of the old egyptian style sith) support that in my mind.
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>Was that yours, TC? I really liked that one, actually. An Ortolan Jedi! Genius. I could just see his chubby form swinging that lightsaber with more gravitas than Ghyslain.<
That would be Lord_Hydronium, as stated above. I won for Pablo's character, who turned out to be...a galactic historian. Not nearly as unexpected as making a random blue elephant into a Jedi Knight. That, I have to agree, was sheer genius. And tying him to the family from Prelude to Rebellion, which I have fond memories from 1999, was even better.
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Coruscant's egyptian achitecture could still be there. We never saw it in either KOTOR games. What few comic panels available are just one window's view of a world.
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TalonCard posted:
And tying him to the family from Prelude to Rebellion, which I have fond memories from 1999, was even better.
I have to give credit to QuentinGeorge for that one; he first suggested in the WTS thread that they could be tied in somehow.
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A most forgettable comic. "What's the Chevin motto for carpet cleaning?"
"Just relax, take a deep breath, and the problem will go."
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The comic's merits are certainly up for debate, but I thought the Ortolan family was very cute, and that stuck with me more than the bizarre criminal-infested utopia that was Cerea. Plus, this was when I was just getting into Star Wars, so there's that nostalgia factor...
TC
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