blackmyron posted: So the Megador was identified as a Super-class by Denning? Well, one less mystery. Nice to see the ship is just another Executor variant. (Possibly one of the "late model" ones that the Intimidator was one of, explicitly mentioned in the BFC - it had an extra shield tower, why not extra ion engines?)
blackmyron posted:There's one other missing SSD - Jerec's Vengeance. I didn't recall seeing anything specific in the game or the graphic novel declaring his flagship was destroyed - or did I miss the reference? Anyone have any further info?
DaggerSword posted:It's not been identified as anything other than a colloquialism.
DaggerSword posted:There's plenty of missing SSDs besides the Vengeance.
blackmyron posted:That's the interpretation by some, certainly, but I've made it clear multiple times what I think of the meaning of the term Super-class - the "five times as powerful as an ISD" should be a giveaway, anyways. Feel free to think otherwise.
blackmyron posted:Other than the Vengeance and Whelm? By all means, share them...
DaggerSword posted:If you're gonna use your own opinion as evidence, please state so before answering.
DaggerSword posted:blackmyron posted:Other than the Vengeance and Whelm? By all means, share them... http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8214/viscountblurbsotg07jq6.jpg Red sections highlighted for reader's benefit.
EagleEye posted:Hi! I haven't posted too much on these boards, but this seems like an excellent thread, and you guys seem to have lots of creative insights. I was wondering if you guys could help me out a bit. I like to write a lot of fanfiction, and I try to write as much of it as possible about fleet engagements and space battles and whatnot. Anyway, when I write about these engagements, I find myself constantly using similar ship names and similar ship classes over and over, and frankly it bores me. My question is: is there some kind of site, or could somebody provide me with some kind of list, that has either numerous different types of classes of ships and/or names? I know that is kind of a lot to ask, but if anyone could help I would appreciate it a lot. thanks guys EagleEye
blackmyron posted:I've already "answered" multiple times in this thread. If you've forgotten, here's a quick recap: (a) Numerous references, specifically in Shadows of the Empire and the BFC trilogy, make it equivalent specifically to the Executor and its class.
blackmyron posted:WOTC's RPG info on their website on the history of the development of the Executor make it clear that the Super-class term was a fake designed to fool the Senate into thinking a smaller ship class was being constructed, but the term stuck around as an alternate name of the Executor-class, especially since the class wasn't named until the Executor was made.
blackmyron posted:Specifically, the quote: "The ship was colloquially known as a "Super Star Destroyer" because the Imperial Navy listed it as a "Super-class Star Destroyer" in budget requests to hide its true nature from the Imperial Senate. Even the ship's size was reported incorrectly to conceal its role from oversight committees. Although the official designation was changed by the time the Executor was operational, the phrase "Super Star Destroyer" stuck, and it was even applied to later vessels such as the Sovereign-class and Eclipse-class." The colloquism is "Super Star Destroyer". Not "Super-class Star Destroyer". "Super Star Destroyer" had its origin in "Super-class Star Destroyer" as it clearly states.
blackmyron posted:(c) The whole "class name" = "name a group of classes" came from Death Star, which is where the discrepancy happens - you believe that the Super-class ships mentioned there are a brand-new class. I've already posted the quotes in question earlier in the thread. Considering that the same exact number of Executors were being made at the same time in the same shipyards, and that the Super-class was explicitly mentioned to refer to those ships, I don't buy the whole other class thing. The incorrect stats he gives for it are easily explained by reference (b), especially since he uses the "fake" terminology for the ship class.
blackmyron posted:(d) It's a class name. A "class" isn't a "series of classes".
blackmyron posted:Obviously, you disagree with this - YMMV.
blackmyron posted:I'm more concerned with the ongoing SW universe than debating these points.
blackmyron posted:Are future authors going to call the Megador a Bear-/i]class Star Battlecruiser or something similar? Are we ever going to see these 8-12km long [i]Super-class in action against the Rebels? I really don't think so.
blackmyron posted: Since referring to specific names didn't make it clear for you, or the earlier post listing the history of the various individual SSDs, I'm talking about the fates of named SSDs - of which, again, the Whelm and the Vengeance are the only ones that we don't really have a follow-up on.
blackmyron posted: So the Megador was identified as a Super-class by Denning? Well, one less mystery. Nice to see the ship is just another Executor variant. (Possibly one of the "late model" ones that the Intimidator was one of, explicitly mentioned in the BFC - it had an extra shield tower, why not extra ion engines?) As far as the Guardian goes, it did play a significant (if off-screen) role in the NJO, as the place where the leaders of the NR hid out when the trap at Ebaq was sprung in Destiny's Way. There's one other missing SSD - Jerec's Vengeance. I didn't recall seeing anything specific in the game or the graphic novel declaring his flagship was destroyed - or did I miss the reference? Anyone have any further info?
DaggerSword posted:blackmyron posted: So the Megador was identified as a Super-class by Denning? Well, one less mystery. Nice to see the ship is just another Executor variant. (Possibly one of the "late model" ones that the Intimidator was one of, explicitly mentioned in the BFC - it had an extra shield tower, why not extra ion engines?) It's not been identified as anything other than a colloquialism. Since the same vessel is described as having 5 times as much firepower as an ISDII (Invincible), it's most certainly not an Executor.
DaggerSword posted:blackmyron posted:I've already "answered" multiple times in this thread. If you've forgotten, here's a quick recap: (a) Numerous references, specifically in Shadows of the Empire and the BFC trilogy, make it equivalent specifically to the Executor and its class. Post. Proof. Or. Retract. It's that simple. I have never seen anything to indicate Super-class only refers to Executor-class. There has been implicit, but never explicit proof, which is what I want to see. And I'm not going to get that, since modern sources use it for a wide variety of ship designs (12-16km in the Death Star novel, 12,8km in SOTG 2001, 8km in NJO and Dark Nest, and so on)y
Sinrebirth posted:DaggerSword posted:blackmyron posted:I've already "answered" multiple times in this thread. If you've forgotten, here's a quick recap: (a) Numerous references, specifically in Shadows of the Empire and the BFC trilogy, make it equivalent specifically to the Executor and its class. Post. Proof. Or. Retract. It's that simple. I have never seen anything to indicate Super-class only refers to Executor-class. There has been implicit, but never explicit proof, which is what I want to see. And I'm not going to get that, since modern sources use it for a wide variety of ship designs (12-16km in the Death Star novel, 12,8km in SOTG 2001, 8km in NJO and Dark Nest, and so on)y In SotE, I believe, when Luke speaks to Dash... Luke asks if an approaching Star Destroyer is 'Super-class', and Dash says yes. Luke immediately asks if it's the Executor. Thus, Executor = Super-class, I assume is the logic.
