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DaggerSword
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RE: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
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To sum up what I wrote above:
Star Destroyer is not the same word as destroyer, yet both are used for designations, in-universe. A 900m, 1,137m and 1,600m long warship are designated Star Destroyers, while a 17,5km and 19km long warship are designated Star Dreadnaughts and the latter are also called Star Destroyers, but not as official designations. For all intents and purposes, these two designations are separate and distinct.
This is further supported by the retconned history of the Executor design, as its size and designation were replaced in official documents (SBP1). This means a) Star Dreadnaught was an accepted designation for large warships, b) these warships were bigger than the ships designated Star Destroyers. Despite having a different origin, the two terms Star Destroyer and destroyer (or perhaps star destroyer), serve the same or similar purpose as designations:
In the CIS fleets, destroyers and cruisers are smaller than battleships.
In the Imperial fleets, Star Destroyers, Star Cruisers and Star Battlecruisers are smaller than Star Dreadnaughts, with the first being the smallest, and the last, the largest.
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Senator_Cilghal
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I wanted to mention that on wikipedia's Episode VI, it fails to give the specific names of the different ships. I feel it is our duty to fix this problem.
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Lord_Hydronium
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Dunno if this is the best thread for it, but has anyone noticed that the Databank entries for the Death Star I and II now list their diameters as 160 km and 900 km respectively? While the second one has also been changed in the text (along with the size comparison to the first), the text of the first hasn't been updated, it seems.
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Rogue_Follower
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7/6 2:54pm
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RE: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
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900 km Death Star II? So what's the next size discrepancy to argue over? 
EDIT: Er, yeah, it was in Inside the Worlds of the OT first. So, nothing new.
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AdmiralNick22
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Rogue_Follower posted:
900 km Death Star II? So what's the next size discrepancy to argue over?
EDIT: Er, yeah, it was in Inside the Worlds of the OT first. So, nothing new.
Home One. Though, in this case Dr. Saxton may be mistaken. IIRC, the Tech Commentaries bases the scale of Home One on a "Corellian Corvette" seen during the Rebel Fleet's jump to hyperspace. However, since then, it has been confirmed that the vessel was the Dornean gunship. Which has no set size.
Granted, I have no problem with Home One being larger than the average Mon Cal cruiser. However, there is less available on it for either side to argue with.
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Lord_Hydronium
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Rogue_Follower posted:
900 km Death Star II? So what's the next size discrepancy to argue over?
EDIT: Er, yeah, it was in Inside the Worlds of the OT first. So, nothing new.
Yeah, both have been around, and 160 km for the first has been popping up all over the place recently (the Vader book and Death Star, to name a few), but like when they changed the Executor length and class I think it's interesting to note when the DB updates things like this.
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We can argue about the Viscount!
Also, hooray for multi-kilometer Independence-type cruisers.
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AdmiralNick22 posted:
Home One. Though, in this case Dr. Saxton may be mistaken. IIRC, the Tech Commentaries bases the scale of Home One on a "Corellian Corvette" seen during the Rebel Fleet's jump to hyperspace. However, since then, it has been confirmed that the vessel was the Dornean gunship. Which has no set size.
90 meters. And that's strawmanning the issue, since the rest of the evidence is based on hangar scaling and the size of the exit relative to the shuttle flying through.
Though as an interesting trivia, the cinematic scenes of the Independence shows enough room inside one of its hangars to fit a small corvette or a GR75 medium transport, so that adds to the size as well. 8)
AdmiralNick22 posted:
Granted, I have no problem with Home One being larger than the average Mon Cal cruiser. However, there is less available on it for either side to argue with.
Not really, the EF76 frigate in front of it in one of the shots, also goes some way to scaling it up. 1,8km at least, by that estimate.
Trip posted:
Also, hooray for multi-kilometer Independence-type cruisers.
According to SOTG07, the sub-class is called Home One type. 
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... boo.
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Trip posted:
We can argue about the Viscount!
Also, hooray for multi-kilometer Independence-type cruisers.
Nay, Mediator-class battlecruisers! Or the Strident-class Star Defenders, perhaps?
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DaggerSword posted:
AdmiralNick22 posted:
Home One. Though, in this case Dr. Saxton may be mistaken. IIRC, the Tech Commentaries bases the scale of Home One on a "Corellian Corvette" seen during the Rebel Fleet's jump to hyperspace. However, since then, it has been confirmed that the vessel was the Dornean gunship. Which has no set size.
90 meters. And that's strawmanning the issue, since the rest of the evidence is based on hangar scaling and the size of the exit relative to the shuttle flying through.
Though as an interesting trivia, the cinematic scenes of the Independence shows enough room inside one of its hangars to fit a small corvette or a GR75 medium transport, so that adds to the size as well. 8)
AdmiralNick22 posted:
Granted, I have no problem with Home One being larger than the average Mon Cal cruiser. However, there is less available on it for either side to argue with.
Not really, the EF76 frigate in front of it in one of the shots, also goes some way to scaling it up. 1,8km at least, by that estimate.
Trip posted:
Also, hooray for multi-kilometer Independence-type cruisers.
According to SOTG07, the sub-class is called Home One type.
Thank you for the info on the length of the Dornean gunship. I am suprised that I missed that when they updated the Databank.
In regards to the Home One-type, my reason for pointing out the gunship/corvette error is not to discount Dr. Saxton's work, but merely to show that the 3.2km length is only one of several possibilities. The scale of the hangar, the gunship, and the EF76 escort frigate you mention are all examples of the scale being slightly different in the movies. 
Has anyone scaled Home One in the game Empire at War in comparison to the ISD's? It is definately longer, but I am not exactly sure by how much.
I am a fan of the subtype being around 1.8-2km, but even the 3.2km size is fine by me. Of course, more importantly than the length, I wish that someone would firmly establish the classes firepower. Older sources make it appear undergunned, unless the 29 turbolasers are "Big Mamma Fish Guns" (an old idea the Fleet Junkies came up with years ago) that have greater firepower than a standard turbolaser.
IIRC, the new edition of SOTG makes the Home One-type more heavily armed than the Liberty-type.
And, before I forget, am I the only one who wishes that someone at LFL would acknowledge the wingless Liberty-type? I have always been a fan of calling it the Reef Home-type, which I think Dr. Saxton and many other fans have used for years.
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DaggerSword
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I don't think Saxton ever used Reef Home anywhere. Not sure where that even originated.
EDIT: Found the reference, but no mention of it being wingless. Gonna check that Truce at Bakura sourcebook now.
As for the Home One type, I'd like for it to be more like Saxton's estimate of 3.9km, just to a) surpass the big ships of another regional power, the Trade Federation (though theirs is circular --> more mass), b) provide the Rebels with their own "Executor" (I always thought of it as that when I saw the film as a kid), and c) add more variety to the Mon Cals than just different looks for no purpose other than being different yet no practical purpose for it.
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Reef Home is mentioned in TAB oR TABSB IIRC. Not sure why it became the "flag" of wingless in fans' minds. Not sure if there is confirmation it IS wingless, I think people just assume all cruiser other than Maria and Liberty are wingless
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From what I've seen in the Truce at Bakura Sourcebook, there really isn't a lot of info on the Reef Home, certainly nothing on its design.
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OK, SOTG Mk 2 seems to give new validation to the theory of the "heavy Corellian gunship"
So, in Marvel, when the Rebel Fleet faces off with the Tagges in the Junction Asteroid Corridor, I noticed there seemed to be two primary types of gunships
one type: the three-engine type with a laser cannon on top of mid hull
=DP20 frigate I believe
other type: has a solar dish like the Tantive IV, and has more engines, stacked
could this be the heavy gunship?
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