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TIEDefenderPilot Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/26 3:32am Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	I also made several points in the thread about Mindor which blew holes in Stover's lame excuses for shoddy research (You can't write a university paper using Wikipedia as a source, yet you can use Wookiepedia to write a novel?) but I'm too lazy to dig them up. Suffice to say, in every other canon source which features TIE Defenders (Games and books), they have shielding which includes particle and ray. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=22786221&brd=10476 www.myspace.com/darktrooperphaseiii Restore Peace and Justice to the Galaxy! Bring Order and Unity to Chaos! Visit Exotic and Exciting Planets, Then Destroy Them!
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 3/26 8:33am Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	You can't write a university paper using Wikipedia as a source, yet you can use Wookiepedia to write a novel? I would like to point out that a recent study has shown that Wikipedia has no more errors on average than a normal encyclopedia. Yes, anyone can add anything, but then anyone can correct any mistakes, which is something published books and most websites do not have. Anyway, I think people overuse and underpower the TIE Defender way too much. It should be a rare super-ship, not a slightly better TIE Interceptor. I mean, that's the role of the TIE Advanced or TIE Hunter or something. Maybe these were just cheap knock off Defenders? -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 3/26 9:01am Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	Wikipedia isn't a source - as one of the founders said in a recent interview, it should be the start of research, not the end. The best articles are heavily sourced; I certainly don't trust Wookiepedia unless I have access to the sources myself. And on that note, if you have some supporting sources or quotes, TIEDefenderPilot, feel free to share them. -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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TIEDefenderPilot Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/26 11:14am Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	blackmyron posted: Wikipedia isn't a source - as one of the founders said in a recent interview, it should be the start of research, not the end. The best articles are heavily sourced; I certainly don't trust Wookiepedia unless I have access to the sources myself. And on that note, if you have some supporting sources or quotes, TIEDefenderPilot, feel free to share them. Supporting quotes about what? TIE Defenders having particle shielding? Just go back to the Mindor thread and look up what I posted. You seem more than willing to look up Stover's response, you can find mine. Here's a short summary, I'm not getting my books down to get the page numbers, they already are posted in the other thread. In Isard's Revenge, during the Yag Dhul simulation, Corran Horn uses concussion missiles to collapse the shields of Imperial-flown TIE Defenders. In The Final Prophecy, Devis' shouts out in the middle of the battle of Bilbringi that he has lost shielding while battling Yuuzhan Vong ships; Vong ships fire flaming rocks at their targets, so if a TIE Defender dosen't have particle shielding, what does it matter if you have lost shields? In the X-wing series games, the TIE Defenders have both ray and particle shielding, and those are the primary source for TIE Defender information. It is almost like Dark Troopers, other sources further dilute and weaken the true capabilities of the TIE Defender. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=22786221&brd=10476 www.myspace.com/darktrooperphaseiii Restore Peace and Justice to the Galaxy! Bring Order and Unity to Chaos! Visit Exotic and Exciting Planets, Then Destroy Them!
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 3/26 3:46pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	The Legacy Era Campaign Guide has some great new information on the compostion of the Galactic Alliance Defense Force. For starters, at some time after the GA-Confederation War and before the Sith-Imperial War, the Galactic Alliance Navy changed it's organizational structure. Basically, large fleet's named after the region they were assigned to was formed. We have the Core Fleet, the Inner Rim Fleet, the Colonies Fleet, the Mid Rim Fleet, and the Outer Rim Fleet. Basically, the closest analogy I can think of is the setup of the various American regional commands, like Pacific Command, Northern Command, European Command, Central Command, etc. Havac pointed out to me in a PM that he hopes the numbered fleets were not disbanded to form this new set up. Fortunately, if we use the American model again, this doesn't have to be the case. For example, the US Pacific Fleet (part of Pacific Command) is composed of the Third Fleet and Seventh Fleet. Or how the Second and Sixth fleets can be used under the umbrella or European Command. The LCG also points out that in addition to these federally controlled fleets, the GADF can also call on navies of memberstates or the navies of Allied Autonomous States (ie, Imperial Remnant, Hapans) in times of emergency. However, in practice the GADF utilized member navies as localized sector fleets. That allowed local navies, like the Corellian fleet, to remain close to home. I really like how the GADF changed after the events of LOTF. A massive expansion of federally controlled fleets for outer defense, while local member navies patroled the individual sectors of the GA. Thoughts? --Adm. Nick -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 3/26 4:27pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	Makes things difficult for the Sith and better for Emperor Fel and the Galactic Alliance, certainly; at least in contrast to the Rebel Alliance during Palpatine's Empire. The regional fleet system seems to resemble the "armada" structure of the Republic Navy during the Clone Wars - "theaters of war" essentially (although obviously not called that during peacetime) that contains many different fleets - I would imagine both GFFA federal fleets and coordination with the regional ones, which would be a difference. -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 3/26 8:09pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	blackmyron posted: Makes things difficult for the Sith and better for Emperor Fel and the Galactic Alliance, certainly; at least in contrast to the Rebel Alliance during Palpatine's Empire. The regional fleet system seems to resemble the "armada" structure of the Republic Navy during the Clone Wars - "theaters of war" essentially (although obviously not called that during peacetime) that contains many different fleets - I would imagine both GFFA federal fleets and coordination with the regional ones, which would be a difference. The level of coordination is quite interesting. For starters, there is far less reliance on member navies for galactic defense. To quote the guide, "as a result of the Galactic Alliance-Confederation War, the Galactic Alliance purchases more and more ships directly, using funds provided directly by taxes and member worlds". This in itself was quite wise, as it essentially removed one of the big reasons that worlds like Corellia were against GA membership. According the guide, member worlds provide ships to the GADF "in times of crisis, or to meet membership obligations". However, these member navies retain their own uniforms and crews, though when deployed in Alliance service they must follow the orders of GA officers. Prior to the Sith-Imperial War, the Alliance reestablished sector fleets, which were composed of member navies. This allowed the GA to keep warships provided by member navies close to their homeworlds. All in all, this setup by the GA seems to be quote smart. On one hand, the federal government had a larger number of vessels under their direct control and ownership. On the other hand, the GA could still rely on member navies or navies of allied autonomous states in times of crisis. --Adm. Nick -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/4 11:21am Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	I've just had a mild shock because I just found these two things - action fleet E-wings and TIE Defenders. A huge shock, as I had no idea. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Teaser of Chapter 9.5 is up! Wes vs Tarfang, Gavin and the Coup, Luke and Jacen, and much more! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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TIEDefenderPilot Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 4/4 12:03pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	I have both, mint in box. But guess which one I love the most. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=22786221&brd=10476 www.myspace.com/darktrooperphaseiii Restore Peace and Justice to the Galaxy! Bring Order and Unity to Chaos! Visit Exotic and Exciting Planets, Then Destroy Them!
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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 4/5 1:02pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	New info on Galaxy at War confirms that new starships will show up - and that it will include new content from the CWAS as well. -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/5 1:12pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	TIEDefenderPilot posted: I have both, mint in box. But guess which one I love the most. The E-wing? Actually, Nick, did you purchase that Mon Remonda mini from ebay? I've been looking for it again, now I'm liquid a little. CWAS? This Galaxy at War CG intrigues me. I wonder what'll be like. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Teaser of Chapter 9.5 is up! Wes vs Tarfang, Gavin and the Coup, Luke and Jacen, and much more! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 4/5 2:01pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	Sinrebirth posted: TIEDefenderPilot posted: I have both, mint in box. But guess which one I love the most. The E-wing? Actually, Nick, did you purchase that Mon Remonda mini from ebay? I've been looking for it again, now I'm liquid a little. CWAS? This Galaxy at War CG intrigues me. I wonder what'll be like. Sinre, I am still without the Mon Remonda. Every time I get serious about buying one, I get sidetracked or forget. However, when I do get around to buying one I will most definately be displaying it with pride. --Adm. Nick -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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Senator_Cilghal Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 4/5 4:46pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	A lot of folks seem to think its a continuity error that Guun Han Saresh flies a Sith interceptor in the Great Hunt, because its a Sith-only, not Republic, design. Is this really a problem? Prior to his final mission to Kashyyyk, Guun had been infiltrating the SITH Academy on Korriban. It kinda makes sense he'd have one of these in that light, doesn't it? P.S. to Admiral Nick: Did you notice the Mon Calamari info in Wild Space, acc to which Grievous blockaed the hyperlane leading to Dac...and that this apparently interfered with the instinctive compulsion of the Mon Cals to return to their homeworld to mate? -----signature----- Include Me in the C & C Mon Cal Jedi Master Compassionate Healer/Amphibious Banshee Author of an "Abeltastic" article that won a MOO award Life-term Fleet Junkie with a Silver FindersFee Waru-class Award
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AdmiralWesJanson Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/6 9:44pm Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	On TIE Defenders: Given the time period these are shown, and the numbers given, perhaps the TIE Defender has several variants? You have the x7 and other early models, and then the full versions produced by Zaarin which include beam weapons. Some of those show up later at a small outpost Isard discovers (perhaps one of Zaarin's production facilities?). Thanks to Zaarin's coup, most of these early model Defenders with beam weapns and all the frills seem to have been lost or put into storehouses, and few are known to exist. Later we see Defenders appear again, more and more often, but rarely with all the top-line equipment like beam weapons. Possibly Sienar decided to restart the line, but between the loss of the research and development aspects of the program, and the high price, cheaper knockoffs were made in larger numbers that we see later. -----signature----- Duke of Corellia Join the Corellian Browncoats in their fight against the evil Alliance! Fix the K-Wing! No more XJs! Make the next X-Wing a T-65K!
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 4/7 1:36am Subject: Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)
	You've got two versions of Tank Droids too. The small one in Rogue Squadron, half a year after Yavin. The big one in Dark Empire, twice the height and length of AT-ATs. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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