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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 9/17/05 8:58pm Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84) - Date Edited: 9/17/05 8:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Excellence
	I've seen much book and comic material that tells me the Republic had nothing in the way anything before the Clone War. And this is what I need explained to me, so I can see the prequel in more than a superficially proud show. Clone army. Clone intelligence. Clone navy. How could a galaxywide hegemony not have its own Republic Intelligence branch in prior existence? It did have a navy---it was closely coordinated with the Judicial forces, who are the police of the starlanes. It may not have been large, but some comics have showed them (armed Consular cruisers and Consular variants, aside from Dreadnoughts). They must certainly have had special forces and operatives, unless you mean to suggest any Frodo can take some ministers hostage and only Jedi and Jedi alone can take action. Unless they do have all that, just no material is saying it in favour of clone this and clone that. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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ThrawnRocks Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 9/17/05 9:12pm Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	Here's the article Not only does the Grand Army article look and sound great, but I really want to see that Holonet News... -----signature----- My Icons: http://www.powow.com/thrawnrocks/icons.html Roan Fel's badassery knows no bounds. "The next Allston book should be all Syal and Myri, all the time." - Jello
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President_Sharky Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 9/17/05 9:46pm Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	Excellence, the Republic Judicial Forces handled all galactic security matters in the time prior to the Clone Wars. They were like an amalgamation of the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and the FBI into one organization. Fleet wise, however, they were limited to police actions, carried out by star frigates like Dreadnaught-class cruisers or older ships like Invincible-class Dreadnoughts. There had not been a major crisis in 1000 years, so the Republic probably never saw a need to make anything other than Dreadnaught-class starships for decades or even centuries. After the Katana Fleet debacle, support for a stronger and centralized galactic navy would have likely plumetted. Rich systems relied on their own homegrown forces to deal with local uprisings and insurgencies. Kuat, Humbarine, and Corellia built vast local navies, and commercial entities like the Trade Federation, Techno Union, and IBC were allowed to build small navies for self-defence. The Grand Army was like the chain that linked the decentralized private navies of the galaxy into one coherent force for the Republic. The Clone Wars also allowed the CIS free reign to combine their assets into a single starfleet. The Judicial Forces were turned into the vital command elements of the new navy and army, and the clones would fill in for infantry as well as bolster the starfighter corps. Judicial Forces investigators would have likely become the directors of Clone Intelligence, and many would have become deep-cover agents (as clones would be a poor choice for undercover missions). -----signature----- Wipe out the trolls. All of them. Official Fleet Junkie
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Tam_Elgrin Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 9/18/05 1:04am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	And over here in the UK... Really looking to (eventually) getting my grubby mitts on this one. From the various tidbits Ryan has dropped at the ARC thread, it seems we'll have retcons-a-plenty. -----signature----- hey, who turned out the lights?
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Pelranius Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 9/18/05 1:08am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	Wasn't Armand Isard already in charge of the proto Intelligence pre Naboo? -----signature----- Fleet Junkie and Proud! Fics: Destiny's Inferno (TTT/DE AU) And the Skywalker Saga KOTOR Style Updated 7/24/06 see bio for details
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LtNOWIS Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 9/18/05 1:35am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	Yes, the Senate Bureau of Intelligence -----signature----- A little bit about me: http://tinyurl.com/bnmcck
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dizfactor Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 9/18/05 1:43am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	It did have a navy---it was closely coordinated with the Judicial forces, who are the police of the starlanes. No, it didn't. That was retconned away after AoTC. There were a large number of planetary and sector forces. Many of those worked together in interlocking and overlapping networks of alliances like the Outland Regions Security Force or the Keitumite Mutual Military Treaty, which essentially formed ad-hoc regional navies. However, there was no single Republic military in the era between Ruusan and Geonosis. It may not have been large, but some comics have showed them (armed Consular cruisers and Consular variants, aside from Dreadnoughts). Those are now understood retroactively to have been Judicial ships, I believe. Unless you mean to suggest any Frodo can take some ministers hostage and only Jedi and Jedi alone can take action No, the regional and local militaries or Judicial would also be available to handle situations like those. -----signature----- "Play is going to be for the 21st century what steam was to the 19th century." Julian Dibbell "You gotta love an elite killing force that you can fool by putting on a hat." Gryph
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Pelranius Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 9/18/05 1:52am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	Umm, if there wasn't a unified quasi military of sorts, then who paid for the Katana fleet and who was it procured for? -----signature----- Fleet Junkie and Proud! Fics: Destiny's Inferno (TTT/DE AU) And the Skywalker Saga KOTOR Style Updated 7/24/06 see bio for details
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AdmiralWesJanson Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 9/18/05 6:14am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	The Katana fleet was comissioned by the Republic, for Republic use. IT was sort of an experiments, sort of a show the flag exercise. But the Republic Navy before the Clone Wars were more akin to the US Coast Guard in scale and jurisdiction than the US Navy. -----signature----- Duke of Corellia Join the Corellian Browncoats in their fight against the evil Alliance! Fix the K-Wing! No more XJs! Make the next X-Wing a T-65K!
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Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 9/18/05 8:48am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	No matter what Thrawn believed, the Katana Fleet was not that great a threat to the NR, when stacked up against all the mass-production content regularly churned out by the major fleet yards of the pre-Clone Wars era...you're looking at warships eight to ten times the size of your "average" Dreadnaught-class warship, which was used primarily as an anti-brigand Rim Judicial patrol ship far more than as a frontline vessel. The Katanas' new slave technology was the true PR reason for their unveiling, to sell the galactic populace on the then-snake oil notion that far fewer of their sons and daughters would be sent into a potential meat-grinder -- more a political stunt than a practical military expenditure. -----signature----- "If there's one thing I hate, it's losing. If there's TWO things I hate, it's losing and getting cancer." - Kenny Powers
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razzy1319 Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 9/18/05 9:02am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	who fought the stark hyperspace wars? -----signature----- In Space No One Can Hear Your Scream, Except For The BattleCry Of A Galactic Marine -Fictional BattleCry My Kind Weren't Made To Kneel -Fictional Clone Trooper Worst Admin Ever - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov
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KarenTraviss Title: Author: -Har d Contact -Tri ple Zero -LOTF Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 9/18/05 9:06am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	Just to play devil's advocate here...if Palpatine had allowed the Republic to have a large, well-organised defence force in existence before Geonosis, then how would he have achieved his ultimate aim - whacking Jedi and seizing control? He needed an environment in which the GAR would be one that would meet his agenda. And to do that, he needed it to be almost the entirety of the defence forces. Fifty percent wouldn't have worked: could he have done what he did if there was, say, half an army or fleet that he couldn't rely on pretty well completely to do his bidding? Ol' Yellow Eyes might have been a bad boy, but he was a smart boy. -----signature----- Website: http://www.karentraviss.com Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/karentraviss/ "Karen, put that stormie down at once!"
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CeiranHarmony Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 9/18/05 9:10am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	you saying he did reduce republic military slowly or had a hand in the vanishing of the Katana Fleet? or plagueis, his master. -----signature----- www.njoe.com (Govsec Author) "Less is more!" Union In Love with the Star Wars Atlas Dark Horse: Star Wars: Invasion (best idea ever!!!) My life is an Idiots Array, PURE SABBACC
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KarenTraviss Title: Author: -Har d Contact -Tri ple Zero -LOTF Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 9/18/05 9:30am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84) - Date Edited: 9/18/05 9:31am (1 edits total) Edited By: KarenTraviss
	CeiranHarmony posted: you saying he did reduce republic military slowly or had a hand in the vanishing of the Katana Fleet? or plagueis, his master. With Palps, any devious plan is possible. That guy worked long term. But let's look at run-down. It doesn't take long to reduce the military to a shell of what it was. The post-war Royal Navy alone has been cut from 1,000 hulls to around forty or fifty. (Let's set aside the fact that a lot of this is the move to smaller and more technically capable elements. This is the GFFA, after all.) And, in a time of relative peace, you fund other expenditure areas by stripping defence. Add a spot of the old Palpy manipulation to the mix, shift the budget a bit, and bingo, no real army, navy or air force left to speak of. It's happening for real over here without the assistance of the Sith... -----signature----- Website: http://www.karentraviss.com Blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/karentraviss/ "Karen, put that stormie down at once!"
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CeiranHarmony Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 9/18/05 10:15am Subject: RE: Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)
	yub, but here on earth less armed forces means less war, which is good. in the GFFA it has quite the opposite effect it seems. the more military the more peace -----signature----- www.njoe.com (Govsec Author) "Less is more!" Union In Love with the Star Wars Atlas Dark Horse: Star Wars: Invasion (best idea ever!!!) My life is an Idiots Array, PURE SABBACC
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