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Havac
Title: Lit Mod of War
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Date Posted:
10/8/05 3:11pm
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New Republic Fleet Commander Checklist (Possible LOTF Spoilers)
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As I was reading TUQ, I got to wondering who was commanding the First-Fourth Fleets, so I've alunched this thread as an effort to track who was in command of the NR's five fleets at what time, similar to the Hoth/Yavin/Endor/Rogue Squadron roster threads. There isn't a ton of material to go by, so this will be a best-guess summary. I'm going off the assumption (backed up by what I've read) that the First Fleet is staioned in the Core, and the Second through Fifth in wedges proceeding left to right, relative to the common orientation of galactic maps.
So, here's what I've got:
First Fleet Admiral Ackbar 0 ABY-?
Second Fleet
Third Fleet
Fourth Fleet
Fifth Fleet General Etahn A'baht 16-?; Admiral Nek Bwua'tu c. 35-Present
Unplaced: General Han Solo 4-8; General Wedge Antilles c. 11-c. 19; General Garm bel Iblis 9-19, Admiral Traest Kre'fey c. 19-Present
Possible candidates: Admiral Sien Sovv, General Lando Calrissian, General Luke Skywalker, Admiral Hiram Drayson, ?Admiral? Brand, Etahn A'baht's friend's son (mentioned somewhere in NJO)
Am I missing any? Any information on additional candidates? I'm hoping to use locations of operations the unplaced officers have taken part in to get a general geographic region that should hopefully line up with a particalar fleet's AOR. [Ron Burgundy]Fleet junkies, ASSEMBLE![/Ron Burgundy]
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Kudzu
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Date Posted:
10/8/05 3:25pm
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I think Kre'fey had the Third Fleet, IIRC.
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Havac
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10/8/05 3:28pm
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Yeah, this really requires someone to go through the books -- which I am not in a position to do now. The fleet junkies will find the thread, I'm sure, and we'll make it work.
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The NR only had five fleets?
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Fels_Hammer
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10/8/05 5:41pm
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The NR had Five fleets as of BFC, but appear to have three fleet group in SBS.
In SBS Bel Iblis, Kre'fey, and Wedge Antillies are the commanders.
Hope that helps.
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Havac
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10/8/05 6:15pm
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Yeah, there were three fleets defending Coruscant, but there's no indication that that was the entire NR starfleet. What I really want is to pin down which fleets Wedge, Kre'fey, and bel Iblis commanded.
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Date Posted:
10/8/05 11:22pm
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RE: New Republic Fleet Commander Checklist
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As of Black Fleet Crisis, the 5 fleets rotate duties and patrol areas.
Solo's Task force was a specially assembled fleet, more akin to Death Squadron than one of the 5 fleets. (4-8 ABY)
Orinda Campaign (12-13 ABY)
Lusankya and Endurance part of fleet engaging Reaper. Lusankya flag vessel of her own task force that sometimes includes other vessels, sometimes doesn't, according to Starfighters of Adumar
Antemeredian Campaign (13 ABY)
2 fleet groups move into Imperial space, likely not including Lusankya Task force. Reaper lost.
Black Fleet Crisis: (16-17 ABY)
First Fleet (First Battle Group): Not under command of Ackbar, who is Supreme Commander and on Coruscant. Patrolling "Thunder Alley"
Second Fleet (Second Battle Group): Guarding Coruscant
Task Force Bellbright: Admiral Tolokus
Task Force Token: also Admiral Tolokus
Third Fleet (Third Battle Group):
Task Force Gemstone: Commodore Mirx
Task Force Quickfire: First deployment of K-wings
Fourth Fleet (Fourth Battle Group): Sent some ships to blockade Nanta-ri
Task Force Apex: Commodore Farley Carson on Yakez
Task Force Summer: also Commodore Carson
Fifth Fleet (Fifth Battle Group): General Etahn A'baht. 106 ships, (normally 5-21 ship task forces + flagship)
Task Force Aster: Commodore Brand. Understrength: 18 ships.
Task Force Blackvine: Commodore Tolsk. Understrength: 20 ships.
Unknown:
Task Force Copperleaf: Commodore Mirx, because paired with Gemstone
Task Force Keyhole: Grouped with Blackvine and Apex for some operations
Imperial Skirmishes (17-18 ABY)
Newly captured Guardian added to Third Fleet. Third and Fifth fleet sent to engage Empire in Mid and Outer Rim.
Fourth Fleet, under General Bel Iblis, engaged Deep Core Empire. Fleet included at least 2 CC-7700 interdictors. Bel iblis still commands from the Perigrine at this point.
NJO assault on Coruscant in TUF (30 ABY)
First Fleet: Admiral Traest Kre'fey on Ralroost. Included Rebel Dream and Yald
Second Fleet: General Bel Iblis on Harbinger.
Third Fleet: General Wedge Antilles on Mon Mothma. Included Mon Adapyne and Eglos A'Kla.
Fourth Fleet: Grand Admiral Gilad Pellaeon on [iRight to Rule[/i]. Included Dauntless and several MC-80b
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IIRC, Pellaeon's Fourth also included two Star Destroyers (probably Impstardeuces) and a number of Strike and Carrack cruisers.
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The NR only had five fleets?
Fleets as in areas of operation. The USN has 7 fleets in that sense, but when you start talking CSGs they have 12.
And I thought bel Iblis had the 3rd?
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At what time?
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Daniel-K posted:
Fleets as in areas of operation. The USN has 7 fleets in that sense
But the US doesn't have to patrol several million cubic lightyears while fighting a decade-long war against another superpower.
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First Fleet Admiral Ackbar c. 0 ABY-?; Traest Kre'fey c. 25-Present
Second Fleet General Garm bel Iblis c. 25-30
Third Fleet General Wedge Antilles 11-19 c. 25-30
Fourth Fleet General Garm bel Iblis 9-19
Fifth Fleet General Etahn A'baht 16-?; Admiral Nek Bwua'tu c. 35-Present
Unplaced: General Han Solo c. 4-8
Possible candidates: Admiral Sien Sovv, General Lando Calrissian, General Luke Skywalker, Admiral Hiram Drayson, ?Admiral? Brand, Etahn A'baht's friend's son (mentioned somewhere in NJO)
How's this look? I'm asssuming Wege and Garm commanded the same fleets they used to when they resumed command in the NJO to make things easier, so unless anyone has any contrary evidence I think they can stay there.
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A couple points...
1. Admiral Ackbar never commanded a "fleet" persay, but commanded the entire New Republic Navy. At Endor he was considered the Commander in Chief of all Rebel space forces. Once the New Republic came into being, he promoted to become the Supreme Commander of the New Republic military. Yet, as was shown in several books (X-Wing series, several KJA books), Ackbar still retained the title of commander in chief of the fleet. Techincally a Supreme Commander like Ackbar would not be a front line leader anymore, but he retained his personal command of the fleet throughout his entire career.
2. General Bel Iblis commanded the Fourth Fleet at the end of the war against the Empire. He used it to fend off Daala in the Deep Core shortly before the Corellian crisis.
3. Daniel-K hit it dead on. The five "fleets" of the New Republic were large strategic forces that patroled entire regions of the galaxy. There were other New Republic space forces as well, but those were sector fleets (see Thrawn Trilogy). Sector forces remained in their sector (unless in case of extreme need or emergency) while the five strategic fleets roamed large areas at patrolled hot spots.
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Yeah, with Ackbar I was trying to get at the fact that the Rebel Alliance only had one fleet, which Ackbar commanded. It was the "First and Only Fleet." What year precisely did ne retire fro mdirect command?
I'll switch bel Iblis to fourth then.
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Wedge commanded Lusankya, which was the core of a specialized task force. Lusankya, unlike Guardian, has not been mentioned as being assigned to any of the 5 fleets. She seems to be her own little group, like Death Squadron.
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I'm pretty sure that the First Fleet was born from an earlier "Home Fleet", led by Home One...
And the NR retains its "five fleet" structure through the NJO, though at least some fleets are expanded to what are called "fleet groups" during SbS. However, the old Fleet designations remain throughout.
The three fleets that fought at Coruscant give place to three groups under the three senior commanders who withdraw, and these in turn are given explicit Fleet designations in TFP and TUF - Traest has the First, Garm has the Second, Wedge has the Third (his old command, IIRC), with Pellaeon in now charge of the Fourth...
The Fifth was at Bothawui as of BP, and seems to have stayed there for most of the war - or was Tenel Ka in charge in TUF?
Cracken's Threat Dossier (p. 64) says the NRDF (after the BFC) is smaller than the Imperial fleet was by "a factor of about 5,000 ships"; it compares a Fleet to an augmented Sector Group, and gives a post-BFC OoB for the Fifth of five battlegroups, each of five taskforces, each of about 20 ships... some of the other Fleets are apparently larger, but with more older ships, and less consistently organized. The total number of ships is said to be "in the thousands", but most are suppressing piracy and smuggling, patrolling, or in "portside rotations": "the actual force available for quick response ranges from several dozen to several hundred".
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