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CeiranHarmony
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Date Posted:
10/14/05 6:40am
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Galactic Cartography: Official Discussion (all maps)
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Seeing the new map within the Complete Locations book, I was happy about another new map with placements. But the schock came when I compared it to the other well known maps.
Not only seem many planets misplaced, but also the whole galaxy seems to be bent and changed somehow. It fits with the previous locations book maps, but not with the NJO maps or Insider and Fact Files galmaps.
And I do NOT mean the different perspective on the galaxy. that I already analysed. It has nothing to do with some major errors. Planets are close to planets they should be close to, but not at the right location or distance from them. instead of next to a world they are now above it or the unknown regions seem much smaller and other regions bigger than on the other maps.
some examples, just to name a few:
The locations maps are divided into quadrants. applying the same quadrant shematic to the fact files or njo galmaps (I used navcomps great one based on these for that comparison), the quadrants arn´t quadrants anymore. it insn´t symetric at all. The quadrant boarders near Thule and Quermia f.e. are on other maps closer together. also rishi and kamino seem to be now above geonosis and tatooine instead of at their side.
again a note: it can´t be explained with a different perspective, already checked that.
So... why so many differences? which map is now accurate? is the one in the essential chronology that is upcoming based on the factfiles map, that navcomp used for its design or another design? questions over questions.
and how to solve and explain the differences now? hm.. dunno. What I want and need is a galaxy map, seen from above, with exact quadrants and coordinates. but based on the factfiles maps and others. just with another perspective.
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CeiranHarmony
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Date Posted:
10/14/05 8:43am
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RE: Galactic Cartography: Major Inconsistencies Discussion (complete locations vs. factfiles map)
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here an altered navcomp.com mapindicating the difficulties with the quadrants from the locations map, when transfered into this map. it is only a vague transfer to show the difficulties.
Also it seems the quadrant lines follow most of the major trade routes. Hydia way, corellian run, corellian trade spine and perlemian trade route. so they arn´t quadrants at all it seems. though, used as such in the locations map. weird.
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10/14/05 9:14am
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RE: Galactic Cartography: Major Inconsistencies Discussion (complete locations vs. factfiles map)
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CeiranHarmony posted:
What I want and need is a galaxy map, seen from above, with exact quadrants and coordinates. but based on the factfiles maps and others. just with another perspective.
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Master_Keralys
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10/14/05 9:47am
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RE: Galactic Cartography: Major Inconsistencies Discussion (complete locations vs. factfiles map)
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Am I the only one to whom it still seems absurd that a solid 1/3 + of the galaxy is completely unexplored according to the maps we have?
Ceiran - could you post a scan of what you're referring to so we can see where the differences are?
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CeiranHarmony
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10/14/05 9:49am
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thx alot, great, where is this fanmade gem from? is there more like this?
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CeiranHarmony
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RE: Galactic Cartography: Major Inconsistencies Discussion (complete locations vs. factfiles map)
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Master_Keralys posted:
Am I the only one to whom it still seems absurd that a solid 1/3 + of the galaxy is completely unexplored according to the maps we have?
Ceiran - could you post a scan of what you're referring to so we can see where the differences are?
- Keralys
my scanner isn´t working, but I´ll photograph it for you digitally. hope the quality doesn´t suck then.
here:
Hope it helps and the quality isn´t best, but should suffice.
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Thrawn McEwok
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10/14/05 10:12am
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RE: Galactic Cartography: Major Inconsistencies Discussion (complete locations vs. factfiles map)
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I actually don't mind this. I never liked the shunting of the UR to one side of the map, and would much rather have it round the fringes of the Galaxy (for everyone who brings up the Corporate Sector, I'll point out to you that it's basically the tail of a spiral arm, undeveloped at the time of granting)... potentially with rimward spacelanes serving as rare echelons of explored space...
And from a plot-wise positon, the position of Bespin in Imperial space in T3 suggests that the Imperial presence stretches round behind the Core from Bilbringi...
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CeiranHarmony
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10/14/05 10:18am
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true, some things have to be explained better and could have been made better. nevertheless I like the maps we have. I just want for now to have no contradictions between the maps.
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Thrawn McEwok
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10/14/05 10:28am
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RE: Galactic Cartography: Major Inconsistencies Discussion (complete locations vs. factfiles map)
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CH: agreed; and thanks for the caps...
I've actually seen a version of this map before, I think in AotC-related material - I was looking at it for Plo Koon's homeworld... I think it was at SWTC, but it's not on the Astrophysical Concerns page that I can see...
If you look at the plan map in Behind the Magic, though, you'll see it doesn't add up: Dantooine and Ord Mantell, while spaced differently than in the VP-derived maps, stand approximately on the "quadrant line"...
This remapping could, of course, reflect Curtis Saxton's influence (is he a consultant again?); the usefulness of his discussion can be seen by the shameless gakking of it in this post, but he doesn't seem to like the fact that sentient attitudes and the fictional physics of hyperspace have canonically limited political and economic expansion...   
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CeiranHarmony
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Date Posted:
10/14/05 10:36am
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
CH: agreed; and thanks for the caps...
I've actually seen a version of this map before, I think in AotC-related material - I was looking at it for Plo Koon's homeworld... I think it was at SWTC, but it's not on the Astrophysical Concerns page that I can see...
If you look at the plan map in Behind the Magic, though, you'll see it doesn't add up: Dantooine and Ord Mantell, while spaced differently than in the VP-derived maps, stand approximately on the "quadrant line"...
This remapping could, of course, reflect Curtis Saxton's influence (is he a consultant again?); the usefulness of his discussion can be seen by the shameless gakking of it in this post, but he doesn't seem to like the fact that sentient attitudes and the fictional physics of hyperspace have canonically limited political and economic expansion...
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yeah saxton is listed again as consultant.
and I agree... fiction, fantasy and real world physics don´t belong together always.
I don´t mind remapping and changing. but I think that wasn´t the case here. here we have just another view on the map, perspective. but the perspective was done either wrong, or it was really remapped and we see a completely different map in the upcoming essential chronology, which I hope not, because the one in the Ultimate Guide is still the old one! with the major planets listed as well in its former locations. and books released so close to each other shouldn´t contradict themselves.
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Date Posted:
10/14/05 10:52am
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even if Saxton was not involved in the creation of new content for the CL, he would still be credited because of his role in whichever ITW book he worked on.
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10/14/05 10:53am
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The Locations maps have always had their own flavor. I think all of us geography geeks will like the New Essential Chronology map. At least I hope we all will.
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CeiranHarmony
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10/14/05 10:55am
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my personal solution to the quadrant problem is right now:
if looking at modis great map, and draw the quadrant boarders into it based on some planets in the locations map, it still isn´t quadrant like as it should be.
But if we make the unknown regions smaller, so that the hydian way is pointing north, and what is left of it is still left of it. and the perlemian then is nearly 90° to the hydian way, then half the map seems ok again. the lower half we just have to make the UR smaller again, putting endor farther out, so that the quadrant boarder there is 90° to the corellian run.
that way with a much smaller unknown region, and a bigger "Slice" as the region between hydian and perlemian was called (see early WEG map in guidebook), all makes more sense. that way we keep the map as it is, just pull and push a little here and there. we then have fitting quadrants, smaller unknown regions /1/5 of the galaxy) and a bigger "Slice" wich shall be the most settled and prominent area during early galaxtic exploration according to WEG sourcebooks.
comments on this idea? yeah would change all galmaps quite a bit, but solves many troubles. Just errors like locatng a planet on one map while he is in a different place on another would be left. as I mentioned above in my first post.
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CeiranHarmony
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10/14/05 10:58am
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but it seems easier to just ignore the problems, enjoy starwars and think of the quadrant lines as not accurate. that way the maps stay as they are.
and yub, I WILL love the Essential Guide map.. I am just impatient to get it hehe^^
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10/14/05 11:06am
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Doesn't the NEC come out on the 22nd or so?
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Or it could be that the ITW map is accurate and the NJO maps are rough interpretations, what with their "treasure map" appearance.
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