GrandAdmiralJello posted: Everyone's aware of that. Unfortunately, some individuals do not believe they have anything to apologize for. Therein lies the problem.
Master_Keralys posted:I'm going to ask an easy-to-answer question to the hardcore Saxtonites who refuse to sign this: Do you, or do you not, want Karen back on these boards, regardless of her stance on the three million clones issue? If you don't, then shut up and leave the rest of us to enjoy their company. Just stay out their way yourselves, and there's no problems. - Keralys
rhonderoo posted:If she just "shuts up"? You'd all "make your attacks" and get on to your next phase?
Kudzu posted:So are there Saxtonite entry exams and Saxtonite surveys? Wonder if their acceptance rate is like Harvard's...
Kudzu posted:"Us intelligent beings known as Saxtonites, though, we're not stupid enough to be fooled by these fallacious lies. We are a more intelligent breed, and all ye who disagree with us are primitive idiots."
Kudzu posted:So if you actually do consider somebody to be a total idiot, they're fair game for flaming? Read the ToS lately?
Kudzu posted:"Yes! The mighty warrior Borleias has forced Master_Keralys to his knees in the glorious Battle of Fictional Numbers!"
Kudzu posted:"And the Saxtonite fans are more intelligent than those foolish people at LFL and can override whatever they say by sheer weight of logic in a fictional universe!" Were they forced to surrender to you as well?
Master_of_Ossus posted:GrandAdmiralJello posted: Everyone's aware of that. Unfortunately, some individuals do not believe they have anything to apologize for. Therein lies the problem. By all means, then, quote something I said that I should apologize for but have not. If you want people to apologize, then you can at least have the decency to post what it is that they should apologize for.
Havac posted:It's not so much looking for an apology as a promise not to do anything requiring an apology in the future. Which, one would hope, shouldn't be too much to ask for.
GrandAdmiralJello posted:Master_of_Ossus posted:GrandAdmiralJello posted: Everyone's aware of that. Unfortunately, some individuals do not believe they have anything to apologize for. Therein lies the problem. By all means, then, quote something I said that I should apologize for but have not. If you want people to apologize, then you can at least have the decency to post what it is that they should apologize for. I was unaware that I named you specifically. Fortunately, I've quoted a quotation of myself and we can see that this is plainly not the case.
GrandAdmiralJello posted:We can also see, in fact, plenty of folks displaying comments that suggest that apologies--whatever the issue--are unimportant. This is perhaps, I think, more important than the specific issue at hand. It has to do with the health of the board in general.
Borleias posted:Kudzu posted:So are there Saxtonite entry exams and Saxtonite surveys? Wonder if their acceptance rate is like Harvard's... It is not written, but I would have thought every board has an informal one, including SDN. When I first posted here, I also acted like I was passing an informal entry exam. I don't know Harvard's acceptance rate (it could be low because of the competitors, but then maybe it is not so low because only the best would try into Harvard), so I can't make a comparison.
Borleias posted:Kudzu posted:"Us intelligent beings known as Saxtonites, though, we're not stupid enough to be fooled by these fallacious lies. We are a more intelligent breed, and all ye who disagree with us are primitive idiots." Actually, I merely make an observation that only the most obvious flames seem to be counted in a TFNers scanner.
Borleias posted:Kudzu posted:So if you actually do consider somebody to be a total idiot, they're fair game for flaming? Read the ToS lately? Since this is a moral discussion, yes. I generally do not flame people, and when I do I flame them quite lightly. However, I consider that my style, and not because a flame necessarily obfuscates the message or whatever like some TFNers seem to think. My style also has the advantage it bumps up with the ToS less often, but honestly my style is not altered b/w boards.
Borleias posted:[quote=Kudzu]"Yes! The mighty warrior Borleias has forced Master_Keralys to his knees in the glorious Battle of Fictional Numbers!"
Borleias posted:[quote=Kudzu]"And the Saxtonite fans are more intelligent than those foolish people at LFL and can override whatever they say by sheer weight of logic in a fictional universe!" Were they forced to surrender to you as well?
Master_of_Ossus posted:GrandAdmiralJello posted:[quote=Master_of_Ossus][quote=GrandAdmiralJello] [quote=GrandAdmiralJello]We can also see, in fact, plenty of folks displaying comments that suggest that apologies--whatever the issue--are unimportant. This is perhaps, I think, more important than the specific issue at hand. It has to do with the health of the board in general. That's fair enough, but if you have a problem with particular members then do you not feel the need to name names? This is actually a fairly good demonstration of what Borleias was talking about earlier: in your effort to maintain civility by not singling out the people you have issues with, you also implicated others that you apparently did not wish to lump with them.
GrandAdmiralJello posted:[quote=Master_of_Ossus][quote=GrandAdmiralJello] [quote=GrandAdmiralJello]We can also see, in fact, plenty of folks displaying comments that suggest that apologies--whatever the issue--are unimportant. This is perhaps, I think, more important than the specific issue at hand. It has to do with the health of the board in general.
Master_of_Ossus posted:[quote=GrandAdmiralJello] Here, your desire to maintain as civil a tone as possible also hampered the effective communication of ideas. I would suggest that some sort of balance could be reached and not, "Do X and Y but never, ever Z." Hopefully, the "compromise" (if you will) will allow for people to communicate what they actually think but simultaneously not destroy the boards in repetitive flame-fests. If you truly did not have me in mind when you posted your statement, earlier, then you actually made the environment in this thread less civil for me by not citing individuals, because I assumed that you were attacking me. This is a common problem in boards (and, for that matter, social groups) that maintain saccharine standards.