Author Topic: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Rogue1-and-a-half  22151 posts
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Date Posted: 12/12/05 7:44am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
MercenaryAce posted:
Funney, I thought the Jedi only took children that the parents willingly gave up.


Yeah, but I get the feeling you could give your child away and the next morning, even knowing that it was for your child's best interests, be wishing you had them home again.

5. But it was so artistically done – The Last Command, Timothy Zahn

Yes, it’s a cliché, but rightly so. I don’t need to tell you the context. You know the context. Everyone knows the context.

Some call it anticlimactic. I say that is its brilliance. The perfect twist, the perfect shocker. It’s just the stupid way in which powerful people do die. Not in a blaze of glory, but in the sudden flash of a knife or squeeze of a trigger. Is it fair? Is it an orgasmic climax of suspense and violence? No, it’s very simple. Just like real life.

I should also add that at this point, it’s the perfect twist because for all Thrawn’s talents and genius, it’s the surprise he didn’t see coming. His dying words seem to echo that. I think he’s proud, in a way, of his assassin. Finally, he must be thinking, a worthy opponent. So worthy in fact that no one recognized him as an opponent until too late.

The revisionists try to say that Thrawn would have seen it coming, maybe it was a decoy, etc etc. Just screw the character, why don’t you?

For all his brilliance, this is Thrawn’s one moment of fallibility and, as seems to usually happen to brilliant people, one moment is all it takes to bring everything crashing down.

A masterpiece. Thrawn is dead, killed by someone he trusted. And that is as it should be.

 

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dp4m  36462 posts
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Date Posted: 12/13/05 7:38am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
"And... a group of Noghri?"

//WHAM

Yeah, it was nicely done with a payoff of a full book's worth of buildup.

 

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Rogue1-and-a-half  22151 posts
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Date Posted: 12/13/05 10:11am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
dp4m posted:
"And... a group of Noghri?"

//WHAM




Hahah! Yeah. Great stuff.

And now, the moment you’ve all been waiting for:

THE WORST EU MOMENT OF ALL TIME!

1. Always start, a Jedi must, the task he has finished – The Secret of Tet Ami, Fabien Nicieza

I mentioned previously about the pointless Tales stories about Mace. This is one of the worst, not because it's pointless, but because it’s so damn headache inducing.

This story finds Mace Windu journeying to an ancient temple which is just being unearthed. It’s a temple built some few thousand years before to commemorate a great victory of this alien civilization when a God came down and helped them vanquish their enemies.

Windu journeys there and sneaks in the back way. Shades of Tomb Raider, when people were blasting away at the front door and Jolie managed to actually drive her jeep in a back door. Don’t these people do walkarounds?

He enters the temple and travels back in time to rescue the alien civilization. He is, follow me here, the God that they built the temple to commemorate. So, he saves them, allowing the temple to be built and he replaces an orb in the temple that he took from it some thousands of years before so that it will be there when the archaeologists break in.

In other words, I’m going to puke my guts out.

Time travel is always tricky, but this is just ridiculous. How much vodka was consumed before this sounded even remotely like a good idea? We may never know. Again, for the record, Mace travels to a temple built to commemorate him thousands of years ago, travels back in time to do the act that inspires the temple and replaces an orb given to him by the Jedi Council which was passed down to them by MACE FREAKING WINDU who received it thousands of years before.

Is there a censor on this board? There had better be.

With the sound of a hundred tons of excrement slamming into a wind tunnel turbine at five thousand miles an hour, time travel enters the universe of Star Wars.

I try to remain reasonable, but there is little coherent criticism that can be levelled at this. All you can really say is, “What? Why? Why on earth?”

 

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BobaKareu  554 posts
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Date Posted: 12/13/05 10:38am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
I didn't like a lot of Mace's Tales stories either. I'm not sure about putting that one as the absolute bottom of the barrel, though. But to each his own.

After all, I have "The First - and Last - Kiss of Jolli" in my top 20. And for those that don't know, it's from the Marvel Comics in Volume 1.

 

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TwiLekJedi  69991 posts
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Date Posted: 12/13/05 11:44am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
I love you now, Rogue. I mentioned once to someone that I hate space travel (although there are exceptions), especially in Star Wars - or rather that I was glad that Star Wars didn't have that (and teleporting all the time).
Then this someone mentioned that story. I've never seen it, but I already didn't like it. You described it pretty well, I must say wink

but it's not canon, right?

 

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Date Posted: 12/13/05 2:38pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Time travel. wink happy

Nope, its not canon. However, the Droids time travel story is still on the loose, and then there's the whacked out story in the Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina comic. Can't forget about Jacen's time-bending Force powers from TJK, either. hypnotized

 

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Kudzu  6437 posts
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Date Posted: 12/13/05 3:04pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Rogue_Follower posted:
Time travel. wink happy

Nope, its not canon. However, the Droids time travel story is still on the loose, and then there's the whacked out story in the Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina comic. Can't forget about Jacen's time-bending Force powers from TJK, either. hypnotized


I'm about this far from trying to pretend that just never happened.

 

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DamonD  14914 posts
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Date Posted: 12/14/05 8:25am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Ahhh...with that information about the Mace story, I now see why some were so jittery about Jacen's power in TJK. At least you can try to explain that one away as a vision of the past brought to Jacen by his connection to the ship or some kind of mumbo-jumbo like that...seems like the Mace story can't even have that excuse.

 

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Rogue1-and-a-half  22151 posts
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Date Posted: 12/15/05 7:45am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
4. You can’t just tell me to go, not this time. I love you. I’m not going to walk away – Starfighters of Adumar, Aaron Allston.

If SoA was, as Excellence puts it, a celebration of immaturity, then this is the exceptional scene. True, the humor is thicker here and there’s substantially less drama than in the other X-Wing Books by Allston.

But Allston still manages to give me one of my favorite romance scenes. Wedge Antilles, recently separated from Qwi (and, by the way, this is how you do a retconn . . . Stackpole, Zahn, take note), journeys to Adumar and finds himself thrown together with his old friend, Iella.

The two share a couple of chilly moments and then Wedge visits her in her apartment, ostensibly to get information. The two end up fighting and deciding that they are no longer friends. “I think you’d better go,” Iella says and Wedge agrees.

But before he reaches the door, fear strikes him, a new kind of fear . . . Go through that door, his heart tells him, and your life is over.

“Do you think I’m stupid?” he asks and then drops the above line to Iella’s startled silence. It’s a moment of high drama, a moment we’ve been waiting to see ever since Wedge knocked on Iella’s door back in Krytos and entered to find her husband there. The moment when the two finally realize the truth: they’re meant for each other.

Sometimes this kind of stuff neuters a character and both Wedge and Iella are strong characters. It’s dicey, pulling something so, well, so mushy and then trying to go on. Beatrice and Benedick in a galaxy far, far away, we might say, too wise to woo. But it works, the scene plays beautifully. The banter is smart enough not to seem stupid, but real enough to sound fun.

And, if you ask me, neither character loses anything. This is a rarity, really, two established characters getting together and the stories and the characters not suffering from it. So, it’s a great retcon, it’s a great example of how to put two strong characters together without crippling either of them and it’s just a great romantic scene.

And if Wedge balancing on the curb on the way back to his own room in the morning doesn’t make you grin, maybe you’ve never been in love. Pure joy, distilled into ink on the page.

 

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dp4m  36462 posts
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Date Posted: 12/15/05 7:58am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
"The sun; it offends me..."

Brilliance. happy

 

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Date Posted: 12/15/05 8:21am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
There is also the supreme irony of the response from Wes
"You're acting like a child. It's embarassing me."

 

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Havet_Storm  957 posts
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Date Posted: 12/15/05 11:46am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Hey thanks for bringing back those memories. The second X-Wing novel I read and definitely the funniest of Alston's contributions. It almost made me want a cloak with a video screen on it...

 

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MercenaryAce  2766 posts
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Date Posted: 12/15/05 2:04pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
What did happen to Islla's first husband.

 

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dp4m  36462 posts
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Date Posted: 12/15/05 2:42pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
MercenaryAce posted:
What did happen to Islla's first husband.


Imperial double-agent via implant whom she had to kill, IIRC.

 

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Date Posted: 12/16/05 6:56am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
I don't know that it was an implant...Diric was brainwashed in the Lusankya and tried to kill Kirtan Loor when Iella was guarding him so she had to put him down.

 

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