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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 11/7/05 11:00pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Just rered Dark Tide 1 : Onslaught and Traest Kre'fey's quote to Gavin Darklighter always gives me a laugh. "In my Empire, would you like a world for each of your children, or will they need whole systems to rule?" -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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Rogue_Follower Title: Manager: • Lit Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 11/8/05 10:49am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Rebel Dream and Rebel Stand had some good moments, methinks. I liked the scene where Wedge put his blaster on the table and formed the "Inner Circle." The Artoo prison break was decent, too.
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Mastadge Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 11/8/05 11:33am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	CooperTFN posted: Number eighteen? As people say these days: QFT -----signature----- "This will be our reply to violence: To make music more intensely, More beautifully, More devotedly than ever before." - Leonard Bernstein
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/8/05 11:46am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Mastadge posted: CooperTFN posted: Number eighteen? As people say these days: QFT Yeah, well, it's been done so many times, I just wanted to get it out of the way. I mean, why waste time on buildup when everyone knows it's going to be there? I knew I'd get kind of reamed on it, but there it is. Anyway, considering how many scenes have been in the EU, the top twenty is such a miniscule percentage that they should all really be considered as more or less equal, shouldn't they? Oh, and what does QFT mean? My next pick to come later. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/8/05 2:15pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	17. You’re crazy, Lando. I’ve been meaning to tell you that for years – Tyrant’s Test, Michael P. Kube-McDowell This trilogy was roundly snubbed and bashed by EU fans when it first came out, but I liked it. And in retrospect, it has only grown in my estimation. I feel, perhaps justly, that I need to defend this. This series is one of the few arcs of the EU that I would truly call political drama. It’s also, and this is even more telling, the only truly character based drama of the EU. Some people found the characterizations off. I found them brilliant. McDowell took that usual mindset that the movie characters were static and couldn’t suffer real change and turned it on its head. A Luke who is really interested in finding out about his mother. A Leia who is driven to a nervous breakdown by the responsibilities of her position. A Han who is treated with more brutality than anywhere since Vader had him at Bespin. A Lando who is forced to think, reason, problem solve reactively and proactively, in short, actually be the incredibly intelligent character he ought to be all the time. This was brilliant writing. And the side characters are still some of the best of the EU: Bantam or Del Ray. The melancholic Etahn A’baht. The likeable duo of Skids and Tuke. Pakpekkat who was, for once, an alien who seemed to be more than just a human brain in an alien body, an individual who seemed to really think and reason and react in alien ways. Chewbacca finally gets to be more than just a fuzzy prop. And Sil Sorannen, an Imperial, actually gets to save the day and deal out justice. And Hiram Drayson, one of the top ten EU creations, introduces us to an all new kind of government agent, witty, charming and fascinating. And, oh, that villain. Nil Spaar. For all the brutality the Vong dished out, they never topped this guy for sheer duplicitous malevolence, for pure evil manipulation and brutality. This is groundbreaking stuff. Frankly, this should have raised the bar for the EU. Instead, the fans rejected it and the EU plunged back to the depths that McDowell had tried to leverage it out of. But back to the moment I have chosen: Lando, Artoo, Threepio and Lobot (and, yes, those last three are all finally real functioning characters with purpose and motivation, rather than just props) have been placed aboard a mysterious vagabond ship to find out what it is and where it’s going. Lobot expresses the feeling that they’ll not survive and Lando asks him what he has on him that he’s willing to bet. And then Lobot laughs hysterically before delivering the deathless line quoted above. It’s bizarre enough to see Lobot talking, to see him laughing is like a paradigm shift. You feel like something serious just changed in your chest. It’s a moment that made me laugh out loud when I first hit it and it is still one of the flat out strangest moments of the EU. For sheer bizarre hilarity, you can’t top this thing. And I also choose it because it is indicative of what McDowell did for the EU: he took characters and made them real, live, breathing, reacting characters. Occasionally what they did and said shocked us, but then there is nothing more shocking, especially in the Expanded Universe, than characters who act like real people. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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CooperTFN Title: TF.n EU Staff Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 11/8/05 9:16pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Amen. Black Fleet's another I regretted not including. And QFT is "quoted for truth"; in other words, "I'm pasting in what this person said because I agree with it". -----signature----- Mike Cooper's Star Wars Blog http://blogs.starwars.com/coopertfn "Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" "NAKED TWI'LEK WITH LIGHTSABER = MONEY" - Ris_jSarek "I bid you all Dark Greetings!"
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 11/9/05 3:09am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Skywalker's entire Shield of Lies entry aside, Black Fleet is vastly underrated. And in light of Vader as we now know him, that Fortress retreat with the morphing room he made looks more interesting . . . -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Thanos6 Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 11/9/05 3:16am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Can't forget Plat Mallar, either. -----signature----- New Spoiler Policy--TFN's All Time 2nd Dumbest Rule Jag/Zekk shipper...yes, seriously Anakin Skywalker-- not redeemed In my canon, EU trumps the prequels... And GL has no control over SW anymore
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AdmiralWesJanson Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 11/9/05 3:29am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Nor Nykkerkerla. However he is spelled. -----signature----- Duke of Corellia Join the Corellian Browncoats in their fight against the evil Alliance! Fix the K-Wing! No more XJs! Make the next X-Wing a T-65K!
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 11/9/05 4:32am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Star Wars mourns the loss of McDowell's absence. When I reminisce how snappy that Pakkpekatt conference-chase scene was with Tobay's fighters in pursuit, I weep for a Squib's reassuring cuddle that the glory days of old can return some night. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Thanos6 Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 11/9/05 5:17am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	AdmiralWesJanson posted: Nor Nykkerkerla. However he is spelled. Ayddar Nylykerka. So good to see his cameos in NJO, like being a semi-sort-of-member of the High Council. -----signature----- New Spoiler Policy--TFN's All Time 2nd Dumbest Rule Jag/Zekk shipper...yes, seriously Anakin Skywalker-- not redeemed In my canon, EU trumps the prequels... And GL has no control over SW anymore
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/9/05 2:36pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Huh. I'm surprised. I guess the pendeleum is swinging the other direction now. Or maybe the intelligent EU fan always liked Black Fleet. I'm not sure if this fits here any more now that there's a 20 worst moments thread, but I started my bottom five list in this thread and I'll finish it in this thread! After four entries on the Best of List, I'll post a Worst of entry. This is the second on my Worst EU Moments list: 4. It’s certainly a lesson to us all, though about what I’m not sure – Planet of Twilight, Barbara Hambly It’s an icon and, for my money, the single worst EU book ever written, though there are many contestants for that honor. Much of what made it ludicrous was the sheer boredom that pervaded it. But it had its moments. Many people choose the last page revelation that Daala has been reunited with a long lost love. Others talk about the Hutt Jedi. For me, it’s Dzym and his ugly origin. Dzym is the villain of the piece, a bizarre figure who seems able to steal energy from people. Luke finally gets his history from Liegius at about the two thirds point of the book. It seems that Beldorian the Hutt was interested in new food stuffs. His Kubaz chef decided to mutate a droch, a cockroach like insect, by keeping it in the dark and injecting it with weird stuff. Then, Liegius says, before anyone realized it was happening, the droch achieved intelligence, shot up about six feet in height, learned Basic and developed the ability to leach energy off of other people in what Liegius calls “double vampirism.” Yes, the villain of this book is a giant, walking, talking, chi stealing cockroach. Words, at this point, generally begin to fail me. I mean, come on! Double vampirism? How the hell does that work again? And, how does a cockroach achieve intelligence without anyone noticing? About the time it stood on its hind legs and said, “Hello,” I’d squash it. And if we’re supposed to be mutating this thing so that Beldorian can, in Liegius’ own words, “chase it around a plate,” then why the hell would you let the thing reach FIVE FREAKING FEET IN HEIGHT?! This is truly the most ill conceived villain of the entire EU. Yes, I’m including Waru and the clone Palpatine in that. This guy owns them all. What a disaster! The hilarious line that starts this pick reminds me of the classic Calvin and Hobbes: “We need a moral of some kind: Monster Killer Snow Goons are bad news.” Hobbes expresses dissatisfaction with the moral. “I strive to learn a lesson that will never be applicable in any other situation,” Calvin says. Yeah, great lesson here: don’t mutate a cockroach, let him grow to your size, give him the power of energy leaching, teach him Basic and turn him loose. Who knew that could cause a problem? -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 11/9/05 2:39pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Calvin and Hobbes' newspaper comic strip are fun. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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AdmiralWesJanson Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 11/9/05 2:53pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	They released a Calvin and Hobbes compendium like they did for Far Side, but I already have the individual books. And I want to buy Far Side. As for BFC, I always enjoyed it, so long as I skipped past the Luke elements of the story. I guess 2 out of 3... -----signature----- Duke of Corellia Join the Corellian Browncoats in their fight against the evil Alliance! Fix the K-Wing! No more XJs! Make the next X-Wing a T-65K!
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Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 11/9/05 3:47pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments - Date Edited: 11/9/05 4:02pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Leto II
	That Calvin and Hobbes ultimate collection is simply wonderful, having bought it for my wife's birthday at Pages For All Ages (as opposed to ordering it online...it takes nearly two whole people to heft the bloody thing, and the freight charges would've bankrupted El Salvador). -----signature----- "If there's one thing I hate, it's losing. If there's TWO things I hate, it's losing and getting cancer." - Kenny Powers
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