Author Topic: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
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Date Posted: 11/9/05 6:21pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments

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Date Posted: 11/9/05 6:25pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments - Date Edited: 11/9/05 6:53pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
I saw it for $150 American at my local Borders. I already have all the other books, though. Plus all the Far Sides.

Calvin and Hobbes, how I miss thee. All the little mini-series within the series were wonderful, too. You just don't see something like Spaceman Spiff or Tracer Bullet in today's comics. sad




Oh, and I agree that a giant cockroach is one of the worst villians ever. Bah! Somebody get the Raid.

 

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Thanos6  1798 posts
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Date Posted: 11/9/05 10:31pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
I think POT is slightly better than Children of the Jedi. At least in POT we know what the plot is. I've read COTJ 13 times and I still don't have a bloody clue what happens in that book.

 

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AdmiralWesJanson  4708 posts
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Date Posted: 11/10/05 2:41am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Thanos6 posted:
I think POT is slightly better than Children of the Jedi. At least in POT we know what the plot is. I've read COTJ 13 times and I still don't have a bloody clue what happens in that book.


Listening to some people around here, I get the impression that it is all about Waru in the end.

 

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DamonD  14914 posts
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Date Posted: 11/10/05 4:27am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
I've often thought since that Nil Spaar and the Yevethra were a kind of prototype for quite a bit of the Yuzzhan Vong. It's certainly interesting to re-read Black Fleet after the NJO...and I'm still sad we didn't have a major in-book showdown between the two races. Some major nastiness then no doubt, but it all happens 'off screen'.

 

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Rogue1-and-a-half  22217 posts
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Date Posted: 11/10/05 2:07pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
I'm thrilled about the Complete Calvin and Hobbes. Peanuts is getting a similar release and The Far Side already has. Finally someone is treating these great artworks the way they deserve.

Well, one more and then I'm off for vacation. I will resume posting my picks on Monday. happy

16. I told you. I am not your ally – Crimson Empire, Mike Richardson/Randy Stradley

The character of Kir Kanos is one of the best the comics have given us: a Royal Guardsman who was betrayed, along with his brethren, and is the lone survivor. Driven by a thirst for vengeance against those who betrayed Palpatine and attempted to carry the Empire on without him, he carries out a war of attrition against them.

In the initial series, he was a dark character, with, frankly, no redeeming virtues, just the kind of anti-hero we needed.

Throughout the story, he is helped along by two rebels named Mirith Sinn and Sish Sadeet. He manages to help them out a bit too, but he keeps telling them that just because they are fighting the same people he is, he is not their ally.

And in the final moments of the book, he proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. In the final showdown, he gets the upper hand over Jax, the villain, but instead of capturing him for Sinn and Sadeet, he kills him without mercy. Sadeet is angered by this and, suddenly, without blinking or even thinking about it, Kanos kills him. He kills the character who has been assisting him, the character who has only a few moments previously saved his life, kills him without a second thought.

And then he simply turns to the surviving Rebel and castigates her with a rant about how he had told her again and again that he was not on her side, how he had warned her to stop following him. She hadn’t listened, he said, and now Sadeet’s death was on her, not him.

And, just like that, the book ends. Would that the mythology of Kanos had ended as well. I never cared for the sequels really. They certainly didn’t attain to the original. And this is the perfect ending of Kanos. He has the chance to redeem himself, find an allegiance with friends and even a possible romantic partner in Mirith. And, unlike most of the rogues of the Star Wars galaxy, he rejects it without a second thought.

This is the ultimate in burning your bridges and as he walks off into the sunset, leaving Mirith to mourn her fallen comrade, we can’t help but shake our head in wonder. In a galaxy where the good guys always win, where the tough talking rogues hide a heart of gold, where many a bad person has been redeemed by love, Kir Kanos just shifted the paradigm.

It was a bitter reminder that there are some people who are just irredeemable. And sometimes, when the mean, nasty rogue says, “I’m not in this for your cause, I’m in it for myself,” he means it. Brother, does he mean it.

 

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MercenaryAce  2796 posts
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Date Posted: 11/10/05 3:32pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
True. I hate how Mirith still loves hims after murdering her friend and comrade in cold blood! Who would want a women so lacking in principles as to love a man who murders her friend and comrade in cold blood?

Frankly, while it is nice to have an unredeemed villan, and as much as I like him in general-I would still like to see Kanos die trying to kill Mara Jade or Palleon.

 

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Havac  14309 posts
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Date Posted: 11/10/05 5:20pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Ohh, I miss K-Mac. For all the authors they had in the NJO, they ought to have let him play there too. And the Clone Wars. He could do some good things with that.

 

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Date Posted: 11/10/05 5:51pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Mirith Sinn

Ah, yes, the bustier Mara Jade. This book came in in '97/'98 when I was 14, and let me tell you I spent a lot of time drooling over the scenes in which she's been tortured. (Not at the torture, you pervs, at the poses!) Anyway, someone's stolen my CE TPBs so I haven't read them in a good long time, but I was always distressed by the way he shot the TIE pilot through the canopy with a hand blaster.

 

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Date Posted: 11/10/05 6:37pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments

The Jedi wannabe Jedi slays in Empire Betrayal was also "boobed up" for you, Mastadge. Looks absurd, all covered up, but with the obligatory buldging breasts; and I accede that Martin has a vile insistence on that area, but I lust for the day I can look a comic woman and see normaility, not blind beauty.

 

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Rogue1-and-a-half  22217 posts
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Date Posted: 11/14/05 2:19pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
15. What makes you think we were ever after Valorum? – Cloak of Deception, James Luceno

Hmm, maybe I subconsciously placed this here, in the exact same place Cooper put it. How bizarre. Oh, well.

This book had much to offer: a Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan relationship that was actually interesting (Jude Watson, take note!), a fantastic large battle sequence that utilized several Jedi, a great group of doomed smugglers, making one last run.

But the killer was that fantastic sequence leading up to the assassination. Cohl and his Rodian compatriot, the Jedi, the Trade Federation and the villainous Havac all bounce around in a closed in space, each trying to reach their goal. The pages leading up to the shocking execution of most of the Trade Federation are among the most suspenseful of the entire EU. Cohl’s vendetta, Qui-Gon’s flight through the rafters, the standoff with Havac, the red herring of Nute Gunray . . . it all leads up to that stunning moment when it all goes to hell and the Trade Federation gets blown to pieces.

This is incredible writing and while the suspenseful ‘assassination attempt’ plot has fueled a lot of great art, Cloak of Deception managed to hold its own with a nail biting climax.

Will I ever forget the image of Qui-Gon dropping into a cross legged sitting position in the aftermath of the assassination, aware that they have all, the Jedi, the Trade Federation, the Senate, all of them, just been played for massive fools? For all the rep Palpatine has as a schemer and manipulator, this is one of the few EU stories to really show him at the top of his game. A brilliant plot twist, unbearable suspense . . . wow.

 

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Charlemagne19  26816 posts
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Date Posted: 11/14/05 2:29pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
why did Kir Kanos kill the Tradoshan in Crimson Empire 6#?

To clarify one of the biggest misconceptions in the EU....that was an accident. Kir Kanos turned around and the man ran square into his vibrostaff. The look of surprise on Kir Kanos' face is a major clue to this affect.

 

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Date Posted: 11/14/05 2:38pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments - Date Edited: 11/14/05 2:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Havac
Villainous Havac? I'm not villainous! I only attacked the Trade Federation! They were evil exploitative tools of the Sith! angel

 

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Date Posted: 11/14/05 2:51pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
Charlemagne19 posted:
why did Kir Kanos kill the Tradoshan in Crimson Empire 6#?

To clarify one of the biggest misconceptions in the EU....that was an accident. Kir Kanos turned around and the man ran square into his vibrostaff. The look of surprise on Kir Kanos' face is a major clue to this affect.


Well, gee, of course . . . the only way the EU can actually have deep characters is by accident. I should have known.

If this is true, then just change my listing above to the Crimson Empire radio drama, which, since it excises the 'look of surprise' (which I don't recall . . . been a long time), being a radio drama.

 

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Date Posted: 11/14/05 4:23pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
I don't have the time (or the patience) to list twenty, but I will give #1.

So many people have listed Ganner's Last Stand, but none mention Jacen Solo's battle with (slaughter of?) the Yuuzhan Vong on the worldship destined to reshape Coruscant. The mature amphistaffs curl around his body, preparing to shield him from nearly any blow. Another telescpes out between the palms of his hands. And then, looking calmly at the Vong before him, he says

"Let me introduce you to some friends of mine."

This is Jacen's second finest hour, after his destruction of Onimi at the end of the NJO. And it's really, really cool.

I, how I long for the days when the thoughts were centered on the "here and now" rather than the repercussions. Well, maybe not; if it were so, everyone would be on the Dark Side by now.

 

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