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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 12/5/05 7:52am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Quinnocent-Till-Sith posted: Rogue1-and-a-half posted: And now another Worst Pick: 3. Maybe you should be a Jedi Racer, instead of a Knight – I, Jedi, Michael Stackpole. This will forever be the great memory, the moment when I decided once and for all that the EU and the movies were different universes. I eventually refined that to a personal canon, but this ugly moment still stands. It’s the retconn of all retconns: the pretentious Mary Sue author goes back to fix the cheesy and lazy writer. It was, as I could have predicted, the train wreck to end all train wrecks. It climaxed here when Corran Horn and Luke begin a brawl. The first stupidity comes when you realize that Stackpole actually thinks Corran is a BETTER SABER ARTIST THAN LUKE SKYWALKER! LUKE FREAKING SKYWALKER. THE GUY WHO BESTED VADER! And then the fight turns into a hilarious slapstick effort that put me in stitches. How idiotic. And then, just to end the chapter nicely, Corran decides to lecture Luke about how he doesn’t understand the Force, how to train people or anything and is, as pointed out above, not even qualified to be a Jedi Knight. Again, this is the same Luke Skywalker who trained with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. Being lectured by the Corran Horn who trained himself via a mail order program with his astromech or something. Stackpole: eat a bag of hell. Kthxbye. So Horn isn't allowed to believe he's better at something than Skywalker? You're essentially moaning about a character's thoughts/opinions. Just a line from I, Jedi: "I saw quickly that all the help LUke needed from me was to hold his cloak." -Corran Horn on Luke fighting the Jensaari. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 12/5/05 8:07am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Cull: Points taken. I've never been one of those 'forever dominate your destiny' people anyway. Quinnocent: Yeah, I realize I'm griping about a character's thoughts and opinions. But when the same character sees fit to lecture Luke, Wedge and Han about their life choices, as well as be the one who actually saves Luke from Gantoris and who 'weakens' Exar Kun enough for him to be defeated by the other characters, I think we're getting into a dangerous sort of revisionism. And beyond that, I still say there is no way in hell that Luke would not have just owned Corran's ass in a training duel. Again, this is the guy who took Anakin Skywalker to the ground and a cop is going to best him in a duel? Please. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 12/5/05 8:12am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	I think the point rather effectively just made is that he very easily could have - and by the end of the book, Corran realizes that. Luke is trying to listen to what Corran has to say at that point in the book, because he really is trying not to screw things up and someone like Corran has a good outsider's opinion on things. It's always been my take that Luke intentionally took it easy on Corran in that duel. There's pretty much no one that could take Luke in a saber duel, except maybe Obi-Wan at his peak. And I would doubt that... I think the reason Stackpole did what he did there was simply as part of Corran's journey through and past his arrogance, one of the central struggles and conflicts of the book. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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CooperTFN Title: TF.n EU Staff Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 12/5/05 12:06pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Ditto. -----signature----- Mike Cooper's Star Wars Blog http://blogs.starwars.com/coopertfn "Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" "NAKED TWI'LEK WITH LIGHTSABER = MONEY" - Ris_jSarek "I bid you all Dark Greetings!"
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 12/5/05 12:44pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Well, I've said it before: stupidity on purpose is still stupidity. Doesn't particularly matters to me whether Corran in I, Jedi is written as Stackpole intends or not. What matters is that, either on purpose or on accident, he is the biggest pompous jackass ever to be in an EU novel. And if it was on purpose, I have to say, it's even more irritating. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Commander5052 Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 12/5/05 12:48pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	A friend once told me Corran, not Wedge, was the main character of the X-wing novels dealing with the Rogues. Thoughts? -----signature----- Honored recepient of Thrawn McEwok's Bronze Thranta™ A Liberal and proud of it "Politics is simply the continuation of war by other means." --Mandalore the Ultimate
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Kyptastic Title: Manager Emeritus SWD Co-Commish Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 12/5/05 12:55pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments - Date Edited: 12/5/05 12:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Kyptastic
	Just Stackpoles ones. Corran is the one he develops the most. Edit. Just realised you said rogues. (Unless you count starfighters of Adumar as a 'rogue' book) -----signature----- "It is your choice," Saba said ."This one does not think it will interfere with our peace deal. We have plenty of Moffz. Blast two." Valar Morghulis
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AaronKenobi Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 12/5/05 1:11pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments - Date Edited: 12/5/05 1:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: AaronKenobi
	sorry, decided to do a top five instead. 5. Luke and Kyle take on a ship of Imps and reborn by themselves. Two Jedi. One the greatest hero of the era, the epitome of the Jedi and his wise cracking, ex imp, killing machine apprentice take on a ship full of stormies and reborn. 4. None shall pass- Greatest line in the EU ever. Ganner's short arc in the NJO was way more interesting and resonating then any other characters(including the twins and Anakin) he went from a arrogant jerk at the begining, then became understanding and more likeable jedi under the instruction of Corran. acted as a decoy leader to keep the Vong attention off Anakin in Star by Star, and finally to save a comrade. 3. Fett Club, one of the Funnier Tales stories. Yareel Proof and a Ewok dressed in Mandolorain armor, nuff said. 2.Luke, Jaina, and Jacen vs Shimrra, Omini and the Slayers. The three most powerful jedi in the order finally get their chance to shine in melee combat in the NJO. Luke fighting with two sabers was great. Jacen melting Omini was a terrifying display of power and the sign of things to come. 1. Wedge Antilles flys a Tie while masquarading as Lt. Keetch and genetically altered Ewok. Allston is the best star wars writer if you want some comedy and this bit which started as a running joke with class clown Wes Janson responding to Wedge with "Yub, Yub, commander." then goes futher with members of the Wraiths hiding an Ewok Doll in Wedges cockpit and changing his comm unit to make him sound like an ewok, finally climaxes with Wedge flying a tie in combat with the ewok doll strapped to his chest and he has to have a conversation with a fake Baron Fel pretending to be an ewok. -----signature----- "He who saves the life of one man saves the world entire"-the Talmud Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter
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BobaKareu Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 12/7/05 8:24pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	So maybe if I bump this, we'll get another response? -----signature----- If you play video games, you owe it to yourself to check out CandiedSkull http://www.candiedskull.com/forum/index.php
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 12/8/05 8:45am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Yeah, my e-mail hasn't been working so I haven't been able to access my document. Sorry. Here's another worst moment. 2. A Jedi must choose his own path – Dark Lords of the Sith – Kevin J. Anderson I don’t know if this really works as a terrible moment or not. It’s spread over a couple of books, but I know its one of the most idiotic and grating segments of the EU. So I bring it up here. This philosophy first rears its ugly head when Exar Kun shows up on Onderon to look at some Sith artifacts. He presents false credentials and is exposed. Which, you’d think, would lead to his being turned away. Nope. Despite the fact that the guy just lied about his identity and his reason for being there and, in fact, HAS no reason for being there, the Jedi let him into stroke the Sith artifacts to his hearts content. Why? Because, as Master Arca says, A Jedi must follow his own path. And then when Ulic, his master slain by agents the evil cousins, decides to go into the Sith enclave and begin studying with them, the Jedi Council tells him not to go but then when he states to their face that he’s going anyway, they let him. Again, a Jedi must follow his own path. Forgive me asking then, but if all you’re going to do is make suggestions, what’s the point of the council? And then comes the zenith of this stupidity. The Jedi launch a mission to rescue Ulic. And then, after blasting through the screen of fighters and battling their way into the inner sanctum of the Sith, Nomi tells Ulic that she’s come to tell him that they aren’t taking him back with them. THE FREAKING HELL??!!? Of course, this leads directly to the Sith war and thousands of innocent deaths. Wonder if they’re okay with the lassez-faire Jedi theories. I have to say probably not. Again, what exactly are the Jedi for, if not to lay down, um, well, rules and stuff? Lassez faire might work when you’re moderating a message board. But training people in how to wield the greatest power the galaxy has ever known? I’d hope there are some checks and balances in place. But apparently not. Please. And the millions killed by Ulic and Exar Kun, well, what a shame. But a Jedi must choose his own path. -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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Cull_Tremayne Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 12/8/05 9:02pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	That is an awesome point, I can't believe I'd missed that in re-readings. However, I thought the whole thing was an effort to keep Star Wars from defining right and wrong. And it is consistant with other SW literature isn't it? I mean, what exactly was the council going to do to Ulic? Execute him? I highly doubt it. I mean, sure they can give orders, but if a Jedi decides not to follow those orders (and also in the PT era) what exactly is the council supposed to do about it? I can't really come up with an example of Jedi imprisoning other Jedi for differing in opinion. Heck look even at the end, Ulic is responsible for countless deaths, but what do they do? Let him roam free. Insane. Even more so insane when we think that that policy hasn't changed in the "modern" age with Kyp annihilating an entire system with billions of people and isn't even turned over to the authorities. Also, did they let Exar look at the artifacts? I thought that they didn't let him. Yeah, he went to Iziz and got those Naddists to take him to Nadd's tomb, but did they really let him look at the artifacts? I mean, yeah they revealed that he was a dirty liar, but what proof did they have that he was a fledgling Dark Jedi? But still, awesome point about the Jedi in general I think. -----signature----- Remember when you were making that building out of popsicle sticks, but then a breath of fresh air came in and destroyed everything? Man I hate when that happens. Watch out for the...something.
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CooperTFN Title: TF.n EU Staff Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 12/8/05 9:33pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Again, what exactly are the Jedi for, if not to lay down, um, well, rules and stuff? posted: Yeah, like no romantic attachments. That one's always worked out great for them. -----signature----- Mike Cooper's Star Wars Blog http://blogs.starwars.com/coopertfn "Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" "NAKED TWI'LEK WITH LIGHTSABER = MONEY" - Ris_jSarek "I bid you all Dark Greetings!"
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Rogue1-and-a-half Title: Manager: Amphitheatre Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 12/9/05 7:57am Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	CooperTFN posted: Again, what exactly are the Jedi for, if not to lay down, um, well, rules and stuff? posted: Yeah, like no romantic attachments. That one's always worked out great for them. Well, surely, there's a middle ground between just letting everyone do exactly what they want, even to murdering millions of innocents, and being so restrictive that it foments rebellion. We really need to see how the Order progresses, I think, to get it . . . but the overly restrictive baby-stealing, no love mindset was probably an overreaction against the overly lassez faire mindset previously. It's fascinating actually. As usual, its the middle ground that everyone misses. 6. Or maybe you do understand after all – Children of the Force, Jason Hall If there was one great transgression of the Star Wars Tales series, it was that most of the stories were so damn pointless. They just opened up and something happened and they ended, no real insight into the characters. And one of the characters that this happened to a whole lot was Mace Windu. It literally seemed that you couldn’t open an issue of the comic without finding some stupid story about him doing something that you really couldn’t care less about. But somehow this one beat the odds. It touches, with more logic and interest, at the dark heart of the Jedi, the fact that they take children from their parents to raise as a Jedi. When the story starts, Mace and Depa have just returned from a mission to get a Jedi candidate and Depa expresses regret that the baby must be separated from its parents. Mace argues that it is the only way. Depa leaves him alone in the nursery and Mace studies his datapad when a bounty hunter enters and Mace finds himself in a fight, an exceptionally well drawn one, by the way. The bounty hunter reveals that she has been sent by the parents of a child taken by the Jedi. They want to see their baby again, she says. Of course you wouldn’t understand that, she snaps and then she grabs for her blaster but ends up, through the scuffle, clutching Mace’s datapad. Or, she amends, maybe you would. And then we cut, abruptly, to the parents holding their baby. A short distance away, watchful, Mace Windu stands in the gathering twilight. He’s granted the parents what they wanted. And then we see why. “We know it is forbidden, but we would like to see our son,” Mace’s datapad reads. The signature is a simple, but a shattering one: “Your parents.” And then Mace stares wordlessly off into the distance as the parents and the child reunite behind him. His finger finds the delete button and the final image of the story is of the message from his parents blinking into nothingness. What’s this? Real emotional resonance? Real character insight? Real tough issues raised? Yes and all in less than ten pages of comic book. To this I point all the people who say the Tales stories don’t need to be great, just entertaining. Maybe so, but they can be great. In ten pages of pictures, this story manages to tell a heartbreaking story (two, actually), cut to the heart of the most controversial issue about the Jedi, and give us a depth of insight into Mace Windu that is unprecedented. Damn. Do that every time, why don’t you? And, for all you action junkies, it also features one of the best action sequences from the Tales comics. If Tales occasionally pointed out everything that could go wrong with Star Wars comics, it also occasionally pointed out everything that could be right with them as well. This story stands as a pinnacle of achievement. Shattering and beautiful. And I freely admit, I shed a tear or two. How could you not? -----signature----- Don't be a fool, don't be blind Heart of mine If you can't do the time, don't do the crime Heart of mine
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 12/9/05 2:10pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	Funney, I thought the Jedi only took children that the parents willingly gave up. -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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CooperTFN Title: TF.n EU Staff Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 12/9/05 2:18pm Subject: RE: Mike's 20 Most Memorable EU Moments
	They do. But people make rash decisions sometimes. -----signature----- Mike Cooper's Star Wars Blog http://blogs.starwars.com/coopertfn "Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" "NAKED TWI'LEK WITH LIGHTSABER = MONEY" - Ris_jSarek "I bid you all Dark Greetings!"
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