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FTeik Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 1:59pm Subject: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	As we learn in "Labyrinth of Evil" General Grievous was once a Kalesh warlord. We also learn, that the Kalesh were attacked by the Huk, a war started and the Kalesh were close to winning. Enter the Republic, which - driven by corporate interests - supports the Huk, forces an end to the war and gives the Kalesh the smackdown, causing a huge recession and economic desaster. What exactly was the Jedi's role in that and how did they justify their actions? -----signature----- My first completet story: Pride's Prize: http://boards.theforce.net/message.aspx?topic=22758760 "In the Battle of Coruscant alone, hundreds of millions of battle droids saw action on the ground and in space. " Insider #86 - The story of General Grievous
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:05pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	What exactly was the Jedi's role in that and how did they justify their actions? Don't assume the Kalesh were innocent victims either. They were winning their war when the Jedi intervened and were also taking vengeance by the statements of General Grevious. The Republic may have gained economically but the Jedi were there to bring peace. Peace isn't fair or 'just' Like the yuuzhan vong, the Jedi stopped the war when the Republic/Kalesh were on the verge of victory. It saved Kalesh/Republic lives but a lot have to feel cheated.
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FTeik Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:22pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	I wasn't arguing about the Kalesh being innocent, i was arguing how the Jedi could intervene on behalf of warmongers and enforce a peace, that caused Kalesh-children to die in the streets and not feel bad about it, while the Huk profiterred? -----signature----- My first completet story: Pride's Prize: http://boards.theforce.net/message.aspx?topic=22758760 "In the Battle of Coruscant alone, hundreds of millions of battle droids saw action on the ground and in space. " Insider #86 - The story of General Grievous
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rogue_wookiee Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:24pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh? - Date Edited: 11/13/05 2:25pm (1 edits total) Edited By: rogue_wookiee
	Perhaps Grievous didn't give us the whole story. -----signature----- “You’re probably the biggest taxer in the country, even bigger than the Congress,” - Ron Paul on the Federal Reserve. Be aware of inflation and how it affects our daily life. http://mises.org/story/2914 -What You Should Know About Inflation
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Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:25pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	(The "Kaleesh," y'all mean.) That said, as Charlemagne alluded to, it was the Huk appeal to the Jedi for intervention which further demonstrated how inextricably linked the Order had become to the corrupt, bloated Republic bureaucracy...the Jedi stepped in, followed right on schedule by the Intergalactic Banking Clan gaining luscious "new" entreés into the sector, thanks to their "resolution" of the Republic's trade embargo. Unable to recognize a simple question of moral relativism, they ultimately made matters far worse by blindly, obediently following the Senate's wishes; lockstep, rank-and-file. Very similar to what occurred millennia earlier with the Ubese decimation, and the Jedi taking what ended up being the wrong side in a conflict, all ethics to the contrary be damned. -----signature----- "If there's one thing I hate, it's losing. If there's TWO things I hate, it's losing and getting cancer." - Kenny Powers
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:25pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	I wasn't arguing about the Kalesh being innocent, i was arguing how the Jedi could intervene on behalf of warmongers and enforce a peace, that caused Kalesh-children to die in the streets and not feel bad about it, while the Huk profiterred? Because the Jedi protect life. Neither the Huk or the Kalesh have the right to wage war according to the Jedi and the Jedi did their best no doubt to put an end to the fighting with a minimum of bloodshed as possible. Guilt or innocence matter nothing to the Jedi in the attempt to preserve life. They're sort of like medics that way. Hippocratic oath and all that.
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FTeik Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:38pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	Bantha-poodo. The Jedi only started to intervene once the Huk were losing and as far as i remember LoE the war lasted for some time. And as already said, they did a good job at "preserving lifes", if the children of the originally attacked party are dying in the streets. -----signature----- My first completet story: Pride's Prize: http://boards.theforce.net/message.aspx?topic=22758760 "In the Battle of Coruscant alone, hundreds of millions of battle droids saw action on the ground and in space. " Insider #86 - The story of General Grievous
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Jedi_Matt Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:42pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	doesn't dooku/sidious also go on about how they twisted the general's mind to suit them? kinda like Qwi Xux but twisting it instead to meet their needs. Therefore if it was taken from Grievous' mind/mouth, it's probably convoluted -----signature----- Excellence - "'Cause some American-accent informed me Kun is Koon and Yun is Yoon doesn't mean I'm going to Megazord myself into robotic obediance."
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Barriss_Coffee Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:46pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	the Jedi taking what ended up being the wrong side in a conflict Exactly. Well, maybe not necesarily the wrong side, but what side is "right" in war? Dooku made it out as if neither side had any right to win over the other -- like most wars, the Huk Wars were so messy both sides were equally right and wrong. The Jedi were forced to abide by what the Republic said was the "right" choice of action and join with the Huks, since it was the Huk system that had more resources the Republic could use. It always comes down to resources... gotta keep the ol' economy going. My question is why did the Banking Clan help the Kaleesh if they were spurned by the Republic and had no resources? -----signature----- SAN HILL LIVES!
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FTeik Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:54pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	To get Grievous as an inkasso-agent? Interesting thought, Jedi_Matt. But how can we know, what really happened? -----signature----- My first completet story: Pride's Prize: http://boards.theforce.net/message.aspx?topic=22758760 "In the Battle of Coruscant alone, hundreds of millions of battle droids saw action on the ground and in space. " Insider #86 - The story of General Grievous
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 2:57pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	The Jedi can't right all wrongs in the universe. No offense, had they stayed away, the Huk might have been destroyed utterly. Had they supported the Kalesh...maybe the Huk would be starving.
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CooperTFN Title: TF.n EU Staff Emeritus Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 11/13/05 3:28pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	Yeah, but then there'd be a crazy Huk general tearing a path through the galaxy. What's the dating on the Huk war, exactly? For some reason I feel like Vergere might have been one of the Jedi involved. -----signature----- Mike Cooper's Star Wars Blog http://blogs.starwars.com/coopertfn "Your tongues can't repel flavor of that magnitude!" "NAKED TWI'LEK WITH LIGHTSABER = MONEY" - Ris_jSarek "I bid you all Dark Greetings!"
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:01pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	You're all missing the point. What kind of name is Huk? -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Leto II Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:13pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh? - Date Edited: 11/13/05 4:46pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Leto II
	Huhk: "Huk"...couldn't tell ya. CooperTFN posted: Yeah, but then there'd be a crazy Huk general tearing a path through the galaxy. What's the dating on the Huk war, exactly? For some reason I feel like Vergere might have been one of the Jedi involved. Better than a crazed Huhk, all things considered. As for the dating, it couldn't have been more than a decade prior to the Clone Wars, if even that long -- it was a CIS bomb aboard his ship that did him in, with one of Grievous's first actions not long after his 'borgification being the Jedi-and-clone-slaughter in the Geonosis catacombs. He'd been working as an IGBC enforcer for a brief period after the Kaleesh defeat, with his Separatist-induced "accident" occurring a very short time later. Figure the roundabout of ten years, perhaps. -----signature----- "If there's one thing I hate, it's losing. If there's TWO things I hate, it's losing and getting cancer." - Kenny Powers
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:16pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	HUK SMASH
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 11/13/05 6:28pm Subject: RE: How did the Jedi justify the treatment of the Kalesh?
	There's several instances of the Republic/Jedi being very much on the wrong side in a conflict, or just being ineffectual. There were very legitimate grievances with the Old Republic. Offhand, the newest Republic comic issue has one, Jabiim, Galidraan(Dooku apparently tried to stop Fett being sold into slavery after the battle there and was overruled), Tibrin, and just look at how broken the Senate is in TPM with the Naboo snafu.
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