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danielc56 Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:16pm Subject: Background of Vader's suit
	I had a question about the origin of Vader's suit. Is there any EU info about its design? It just kind of appeared at the end of Episode III. Before the film's release, I thought Grevious would be a more direct progenitor, but his appearance is too far apart from Vader's. Maybe the reconstruction hospital had used such a suit for other patients with similar disfigurements. In that case, are there Vader look-alikes walking around Coruscant? I can think of two types of instances where such a suit would be useful: 1) Clone veterans that sustained massive injuries in battle. 2) Victims of vehicle accidents where survival is otherwise impossible. It would be a combination iron lung & limb protheses; allowing the patient to have some life out in the world. Albeit with many hardships. The other possibility is the suit could be a sith design. It could be based on old sith armor or have other dark side history. I'm hoping there is some EU info that shed's light on its design & origin. I don't like the idea that the medical droids whipped-it-up after the Darths' return from Mustafar. Or maybe he was just re-constructed with prototype TIE fighter parts. I'd appreciate your insight on the matter. danielc56
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Master_Uxi Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:29pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	The mask and chest piece are all that's required... The rest is Sith propaganda/intimdation (I've seen various references indicating it's reminiscent of a Sith warbot design from the Great Hyperspace War). Vaders wounds are pretty specific, though odds are could be semi-common for the survivors from a destroyed capital ship and/or surface bombardment, I'd imagine. -----signature----- Uxi Jedi Master Defender of the Galactic Republic and keeper of the Kor-Xin Holocron "No matter where you go, there you are."
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ThrawnRocks Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:33pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit - Date Edited: 11/13/05 5:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ThrawnRocks
	Master_Uxi posted: The mask and chest piece are all that's required... The rest is Sith propaganda/intimdation (I've seen various references indicating it's reminiscent of a Sith warbot design from the Great Hyperspace War). Vaders wounds are pretty specific, though odds are could be semi-common for the survivors from a destroyed capital ship and/or surface bombardment, I'd imagine. I would venture to say that the legs and arms are pretty important as well -----signature----- My Icons: http://www.powow.com/thrawnrocks/icons.html Roan Fel's badassery knows no bounds. "The next Allston book should be all Syal and Myri, all the time." - Jello
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 11/13/05 5:24pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	Indeed, but those technically aren't part of the suit per se, but rather are themselves covered in the rest of the armor. Course that begs another question, namely - why'd Lucas screw up again in his own internal continuity? Or am I the only who noticed that the arms they put on Vader would have no chance of having the wiring configuration they apparently do in RotJ when Luke cuts off his hand? Way to go, Lucas! - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 11/13/05 5:31pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	So he doesn't eat? -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Sn4tcH Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 11/13/05 5:44pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	Master_Keralys posted: Course that begs another question, namely - why'd Lucas screw up again in his own internal continuity? Or am I the only who noticed that the arms they put on Vader would have no chance of having the wiring configuration they apparently do in RotJ when Luke cuts off his hand? Way to go, Lucas! - Keralys Ah but remember, according to Mara, Vader had pieces cut off and replaced here and there when he failed Palpy. There's a good chance, if that is the case, that it's a completely different hand. -----signature----- http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000183542&tstart=30 The Batmite76 Batman Continuity Project PM me if you want to help!
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ThrawnRocks Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/13/05 5:47pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	Sn4tcH posted: Master_Keralys posted: Course that begs another question, namely - why'd Lucas screw up again in his own internal continuity? Or am I the only who noticed that the arms they put on Vader would have no chance of having the wiring configuration they apparently do in RotJ when Luke cuts off his hand? Way to go, Lucas! - Keralys Ah but remember, according to Mara, Vader had pieces cut off and replaced here and there when he failed Palpy. There's a good chance, if that is the case, that it's a completely different hand. I noticed this as well, but I think it has an even more simple explination then the Mara thing. Technology improves over 20+ years. We see even between AOTC and ROTS Anakin's arm gets more advanced. Vader and Palps aren't just gonna let him have old tech. They're gonna keep his suit up to date, which means replacing arms and legs. -----signature----- My Icons: http://www.powow.com/thrawnrocks/icons.html Roan Fel's badassery knows no bounds. "The next Allston book should be all Syal and Myri, all the time." - Jello
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Sn4tcH Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 11/13/05 5:52pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	ThrawnRocks posted: I noticed this as well, but I think it has an even more simple explination then the Mara thing. Technology improves over 20+ years. We see even between AOTC and ROTS Anakin's arm gets more advanced. Vader and Palps aren't just gonna let him have old tech. They're gonna keep his suit up to date, which means replacing arms and legs. Yup, that makes even more sense. 3 years later and his arm is improved. 20+ years later, I'm sure his arm is improved. Heck, look at his armor in ANH and then in ESB. There's an improvement... (And then look at his armor in ROTS and then in ANH and then in ESB... and be confused) -----signature----- http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000183542&tstart=30 The Batmite76 Batman Continuity Project PM me if you want to help!
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Master_Uxi Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 11/13/05 6:08pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	ThrawnRocks posted: I would venture to say that the legs and arms are pretty important as well Not in as much as it's part of his "suit." Any amputee would presumably have prosthetics available... they could put anything from relatively normal looking pants on or just walking around looking like a half droid... I would imagine Vader still eats. When he's chillin in an oxygenated chamber like what he had on Executor. Or maybe he just "eats" intravenously... -----signature----- Uxi Jedi Master Defender of the Galactic Republic and keeper of the Kor-Xin Holocron "No matter where you go, there you are."
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MercenaryAce Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 11/13/05 6:47pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	I wanna know why there just happend to be a Vader suit just lying around? That could deal with his specific injuries? Maybe the Emporer forsaw what would happen. Or thuoght: SInce I'm sending him to Mustafar, so I better have a life support suit just in case he falls in. He is rather stupid. -----signature----- "I am no man...I am a space station!" Another star wars ships, droids and troops site: http://armiesofstarwars.com/ It does have info found nowhere Move all sig, for great justice
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ThrawnRocks Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 11/13/05 6:51pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	MercenaryAce posted: He is rather stupid. QFT -----signature----- My Icons: http://www.powow.com/thrawnrocks/icons.html Roan Fel's badassery knows no bounds. "The next Allston book should be all Syal and Myri, all the time." - Jello
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skatalite Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 11/13/05 6:59pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	From what I've heard, Grevious's body was the first-step to creating a suit for Vader. The constructors needed to know what worked, what didn't and how to sustain life to a human body that's either half there or lacks all but two organs and some eyes. As for the exact origin, I'm not sure. The point of the suit was to keep him alive, and the design helped at making Vader intimidating. It's black, sleek, slick and the 45 degree angles on the mask/helmet strike fear into people. I don't see Palpy saying, "OK, let's make the suit baby blue... No wait, yellow... By the stars, no, let's try dark green..." Then an Imperial technician steps on, "Sir, how about black?" Palpatine tosses him a look, grins, the technician falls to the floor. "Yes," Palpy says, "black is what I've come up with." What I want to know is how does Vader feel pain when he get's his hand cut off in Return of the Jedi? Also, same could be said for Luke when he get's shot in the hand in the same film. I know Luke has skin over his (or so I think), but what about Vader?
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RogueWompRat Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 11/13/05 7:04pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	I'll bet Vader's suit is a modification of a standard one designed to sustain a human body after severe injuries, though usually they come in pastels and have a smiley face mask rather then a evil, Sith-esque helmet. -----signature----- "the Force is between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere..."
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 7:04pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	He loses the same arm (yet again ) in SOTME, IIRC. So no, it's not the same arm in ROTJ. AS for how he feels pain..Obi-Wan mentions pain sensors. If they're capable of hyperdrive, I reckon an electronic device for pain is within the boundaries :P -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Reebs Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 11/13/05 7:07pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	The really important question is: Why exactly are the droids at this "reconstruction hospital" giving out capes?
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 11/13/05 7:35pm Subject: RE: Background of Vader's suit
	Because capes are the in thing. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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