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Charlemagne19  26817 posts
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6408_Jedi Outcast
Date Posted: 2/7/06 8:41pm Subject: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/7/06 8:47pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
Essentially be given carte blanche to override stuff that's been contradicted and change the context of things that had been written before we had the full knowledge of the EU then what exactly would you do to make sure that your continuity was consistent and clear for new authors? Here's my list of things that bug me but would really help make things more understandable.

* The Emperor's Dark Side Servants were Sith

The Emperor was arrogant above all other Dark Lords and did away with the Rule of Two almost as soon as he came to power, fudging it already with Dooku's Sith Brotherhood and eventually reinstituting the Sith Empire in the Empire we know and love. The Inquisitors, Dark Jedi, and Dark Jedi Masters would be reclassified into being "Sith Knights", the Prophets into "Sith Acolytes", and we'd give Palpatine's group its own name. Perhaps "The Second Sith Empire."

There would be no confusion and the only two Sith Lords are Vader with his master.

* Sate Pestage and Ars Dangor would be merged into a single character

In this case, Ars Dangor possibly being revealed to be a Coruscanti word for the Grand Vizier or other means of address.

* Kinman Doriana would be set up as Palpatine's Left Hand before replacement

Basically with Sate Pestage running all of the affairs of the government, Doriana would play many an important role before he's left out to dry in the Rise of the Sith era. Doriana would be revealed to be just another pawn in Palpatine's scheme and Parck grossly mistake (and Mara knew how grossly mistaken he was).

* Mediumism would triumph

The Maximalists and Minimalists would neither have domination over the Star Wars universe with "realistic" elements like hundreds of trillions of people on Coruscant being explained away while 3 million Clone Troopers would not in fact be the only number of them but a statistical minority. The Seperatists would not have quadrillions of battle droids. Star Destroyers would remain the most powerful ships in the fleet underneath the SSDs.

And so on.

Zhan and Endor would be largely the guiding point for fleet descriptions.

* A Military Guidebook would be published

Listing the official ranks, Terms of Address (including that Super Class and Executor Class are merely differentiation from Republic naming conventions and Imperial ones).

This guidebook would also clear up the weirdness of General Bel Iblis commanding forces and the like.

* The Mandalorians, Sith, and Jedi are established as staples of the galaxy

The Jedi and sith are eternal but while the Mandalorians aren't, they nevertheless are one of the most consistent troublemakers in the universe. Never quite learning that they can't conquer the universe....sort of like Cobra.

* The Dark Side and Light Side eternally battle and are sentient, physical, active entities in the universe but cannot corrupt by themselves

I.e. no more "consumed" by the Dark Side madness, while the Dark Side is an active Devil. You must choose in order to be part of its service and actively pursue it of your own free will from that point on.

 
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Quiet_Mandalorian  8380 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 8:43pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/7/06 8:57pm (5 edits total) Edited By: Quiet_Mandalorian
* The Evolution of Mandalorians from Galactic Conquerors to Jedi Allies Would Be Completed

It would be canonically established that there is some parity between Jedi and Mandalorians at most levels, and the far-reaching effects of Revan's influence on Canderous Ordo, and the subsequent shift in the Mandalorian cultural ethic to a less needlessly destructive one would be greatly expanded upon. Co-operation with Sith or Dar'jettise in general would be anathema to all true Mandos.

 

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BobaMatt  14590 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 8:52pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/7/06 8:53pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
Gotta disagree with you on the "consumed" thing. Once you tap into the dark side, it seems to become a "splinter in your mind" that eggs you on and corrupts and twists you. Anakin choking Padme, for instance. Think of it like a drug: you choose to take them. The choices you make under their influence are your own, but they are under the influence of that drug.

 

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Charlemagne19  26817 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 8:54pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/7/06 9:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
Quiet Mandalorian posted:
It would be canonically established that there is some parity between Jedi and Mandalorians at most levels, and the far-reaching effects of Revan's influence on Canderous Ordo, and the subsequent shift in the Mandalorian cultural ethic to a less needlessly destructive one would be greatly expanded upon. Co-operation with Sith or Dar'jettise in general would be anathema to all true Mandos.


I'm not so sure about it given the role that Ulic Qel Droma and Darth Revan played in their lives. I agree about parity though.

BobaMatt posted:
Gotta disagree with you on the "consumed" thing. Once you tap into the dark side, it seems to become a "splinter in your mind" that eggs you on and corrupts and twists you. Anakin choking Padme, for instance. Think of it like a drug: you choose to take them. The choices you make under their influence are your own, but they are under the influence of that drug.


Well the Dark Side is there tempting you but it merely twists perceptions. It doesn't possess you.

 
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Thanos6  1798 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 9:47pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could...
Episodes I-III were all a glitch in the space-time continuum

There is no Naboo. No screw-up, no Gungan called Jar-Jar. No piece of wood in a dress called Padme. No Chosen One, no prophecy. In the Clone Wars, the clones are fighting against the Republic.

 

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Charlemagne19  26817 posts
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6408_Jedi Outcast
Date Posted: 2/7/06 9:49pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could...
Thanos6 posted:
Episodes I-III were all a glitch in the space-time continuum

There is no Naboo. No screw-up, no Gungan called Jar-Jar. No piece of wood in a dress called Padme. No Chosen One, no prophecy. In the Clone Wars, the clones are fighting against the Republic.


Meh, while I pity the otherwise fun Aquatic warrior race of the Gungans for Jar Jar I'll instead gladly trade Jar Jade for the depiction of Palpatine as a political genius plus Anakin Skywalker's Clone Wars comics/cartoons depictions.

And again....

"The Civil War"
"The Great Patriotic War"
"The War of 1812."
"The Crusades."

We don't always call wars about what we're fighting.

 
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BobaMatt  14590 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 9:55pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/7/06 9:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
Charlemagne19 posted:

"The Civil War"
"The Great Patriotic War"
"The War of 1812."
"The Crusades."

We don't always call wars about what we're fighting.

Oh yeah? You tell that to my great great grandfather. He was killed by an 1812.

 

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BobaKareu  554 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 10:00pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could...
And you tell that to my great-great-great-super-great uncle who was...

Yeah, you basically sounded like that. And since that had nothing to do with what Charlemagne was saying, let's get back to the discussion.

And for me, I would have made General Grievous in the movies the same as he was in the comics. Something to quake at, not something to just shrug off, but someone who KILLED MANY JEDI and wounded many more. I guess Conehead forgot his pwnage pretty fast.

 

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Charlemagne19  26817 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 10:02pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could...
BobaMatt posted:

Oh yeah? You tell that to my great great grandfather. He was killed by an 1812.


Not sure how to respond to that. I think it's a joke.

Reminds me of the Penny Arcade comic where Tycho tells his Japanese friend about a kamikaze game.

 
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BobaMatt  14590 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 10:20pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/7/06 10:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
Charlemagne19 posted:
BobaMatt posted:

Oh yeah? You tell that to my great great grandfather. He was killed by an 1812.


Not sure how to respond to that. I think it's a joke.

Nope. 100% serious. An 1812 took him out with a flechette.















tongue

 

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BobaMatt  14590 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 10:45pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could...
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
* The Evolution of Mandalorians from Galactic Conquerors to Jedi Allies Would Be Completed

It would be canonically established that there is some parity between Jedi and Mandalorians at most levels, and the far-reaching effects of Revan's influence on Canderous Ordo, and the subsequent shift in the Mandalorian cultural ethic to a less needlessly destructive one would be greatly expanded upon. Co-operation with Sith or Dar'jettise in general would be anathema to all true Mandos.

Wait...Jango contributed his genes to the Sith, and Boba took bounties to kill Jedi.

Does that mean that Q_M is actually suggesting...

::head explodes::

 

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Charlemagne19  26817 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 10:56pm Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could...
The problem essentially for Quiet_Mandalorian is really that he reasonably wants the Mandalorians to be portrayed as an honorable group of soldiers fighting for what they believe in and with reasonable justification, provide the EU with some ubber-badasses that aren't force sensetive know it alls. Not an unreasonable justification. Canderous Ordo's honor and valor make him an instantly likeable character.

The only problem really is that Jango Fett, despite being a far more honorable man than his son, is one whom has a respect for the Jedi's that's nevertheless tinged with hatred for the loss of his men. The ex-Mandalore furthermore sired a son whom hunted Jedi Knights and still hates them as further as the NJO era.....and is indeed probably Darth Vader's favorite agent.

While Jaster Mereel might have been a good a man as Jango Fett, he's unfortunately spawned two generations of anger. Fenn Shysha is the only Mandalore in recent memory whom helped the Jedi and was a "hero" and unfortunately even he fought the Jedi in the Clone Wars.

 
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Date Posted: 2/8/06 12:32am Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/8/06 12:33am (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Starwalker
The Dark Side is very real
I think the Potentium stuff undermines much of the movies and violates G-Level canon so I'd love to see this done away with.

Sidious is the most powerful Sith of all time
I think that this was a good choice by the NEC and I'd want it maintained.

The Jedi Robes were what was worn by the Jedi since the AJO
I find it odd that clothing that's so mideval in it's nature would be adopted in a later time period.

Luke's the most powerful Jedi
I think that as the son of the Chosen One, as he will be what Anakin was supposed to be.

The Empire is an evil totalitarian regime
I not too shockingly prefer the Empire as a pure evil tool of the Sith, though I think that having occasional people such as Paelleon who aren't evil to be good.

The Rebellion/New Republic is a pure good government.
As I like for my heroes to be heroes, I'd prefer for the New Republic to have been set up as a pure good regime even if there were groups within that weren't they wouldn't ever get power and certainly not Chief of State.

No Vong/Ysilmari
The Force shouldn't be able to be cancelled out IMO and I think that if you're going to it should be explained like the Vong were.

The Sith would stay dead
I still think that the return of the Sith will undermine the Prophecy if it's not handled correctly.

Leia trained as Jedi earlier
Leia should have had consistant and early Jedi training because given Leia's potential she should be Luke's equal or not all that far below him.

The Mandalorians return
The Mandos come back but they are all either mercenaries or a third party that has it's own interests.

 

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Date Posted: 2/8/06 3:25am Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could...

All this Mandologue won't schutta me for long. Once I subconsciously learn it, the way I somehow did all of Martin's myriad cast by name, I'll be able to Autobot the italics into english.

 

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BobaMatt  14590 posts
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Date Posted: 2/8/06 6:22am Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/8/06 6:29am (2 edits total) Edited By: BobaMatt
BobaKareu posted:
And you tell that to my great-great-great-super-great uncle who was...

Yeah, you basically sounded like that. And since that had nothing to do with what Charlemagne was saying, let's get back to the discussion.

plain plain





doh! Where do we get these people?

Master_Starwalker: On robes: I think the explanation is that, once the SIth were finally defeated, the Jedi began taking up more conservative measures to prevent the Sith from reemerging. Attachment was forbidden. Robes were adopted as official Jedi wear because of people like Lord Farfalla.

Ysalmiri: I think their Force Bubble technique was explained as an evolutionary adaptation to keep from being preyed upon by vornskyrs. A lot of the predators on Myrkyr hunt by sensing things through the Force.

Anyway, I thought this thread was about what retcons we would make, not how we would rewrite continuity. confused

 

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Date Posted: 2/8/06 6:31am Subject: RE: If you were in charge of continuity at Lucasfilm and could... - Date Edited: 2/8/06 6:32am (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
Release the Holocron
-Well, not exactly Leland's version, but one like an interactive multimedia encyclopedia.
-Users can get updates over the internet
-Has "Gatekeepers" that talk to you (think of the little things units say in real-time strategy games, only better)
-Includes just about everything.
-Interactive galaxy map...

 
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