Havac posted:Yeah, because the ARCs would tell the Jedi if their soldiers were loyal to a warrior race that had attacked their civilization in the past. Such inescapable logic.
LtNOWIS posted:What Jango wants isn't really relevant to the situation of the Null ARCs and Skirata's RCs. They idolize Kal more than anyone else, certainly more than Jango. And they're the only ones with real loyalty to any Mandalorian.
Havac posted:The Mandalorians hadn't even been reformed by Spar yet. So having them allied with the Seppies doesn't make much sense.
Havac posted:Plus, Jango's a mercenary and a businessman, not a fanatic. He's training an army for a client and raised them to be loyal to the client.
Havac posted:Because of his culture, he also happens to raise his charges with his culture.
Havac posted:It's a culture, not a rival nation.
Havac posted:So you're suggesting that the troopers disobey Jango's orders to serve the Republic so they can kill a couple Jedi and take down the entire Order 66 strategy with them? Congratulations. Palpatine is now short a clone army, a Clone Wars, the ability to kill all the Jedi by surprise, and has his plans exposed to a galaxy full of 10,000 Jedi.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted: Fortunately, Null Arcs and whatever else uber-Sueage Traviss spews out is irrelevant to the fact that we have a source stating Jango ordered that clones be loyal to the Republic on pain of death.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:Havac posted:The Mandalorians hadn't even been reformed by Spar yet. So having them allied with the Seppies doesn't make much sense. No doubt you're forgetting that the Mandalorian force built by Spar was loyal only to the Mandalorian government, which had joined the CIS. The very fact that Spar's Mandalorians fought with the CIS is evidence enough that Mandalore Sector had already joined up prior to his reformation.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:Havac posted:Plus, Jango's a mercenary and a businessman, not a fanatic. He's training an army for a client and raised them to be loyal to the client. Try reading Open Seasons again. He is not a businessman, he is a fanatic, and he is not into it to make satisfied clients. He is in it so make a war that will result in Jedi deaths.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:Havac posted:Because of his culture, he also happens to raise his charges with his culture. Ah, so Jango trained all 3.2 million clone units on his own? Busy man. I'm sure the computerized education seen in AOTC and in the novel was all misinformation then?
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:[quote=Havac]It's a culture, not a rival nation.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:[quote=Havac]So you're suggesting that the troopers disobey Jango's orders to serve the Republic so they can kill a couple Jedi and take down the entire Order 66 strategy with them? Congratulations. Palpatine is now short a clone army, a Clone Wars, the ability to kill all the Jedi by surprise, and has his plans exposed to a galaxy full of 10,000 Jedi.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:Let's try thinking this through for you. 1. There are only two or three Jedi working with the ARC squad. 2. The Separatists have an overwhelming strategic and numerical advantage in the battle. According to Lama Su, the ARCs are the last line of defense. 3. There are only two or three Jedi with the ARC squad. 4. From that, they would have easily been able to tip the scale of the battle had they joined. Then this: 1. The Mandalorian were allied with the Separatists. 2. The Mandalorians hate the Jedi. 3. Jango personally hates Jedi. 4. Despite that, and the chance to raise the millions of clones as new Mandalorians, the ARCs continue to serve the Republic and insist on killing any clones that don't.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted: Havac posted:Plus, Jango's a mercenary and a businessman, not a fanatic. He's training an army for a client and raised them to be loyal to the client. Try reading Open Seasons again. He is not a businessman, he is a fanatic, and he is not into it to make satisfied clients. He is in it so make a war that will result in Jedi deaths.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted: Havac posted:Because of his culture, he also happens to raise his charges with his culture. Ah, so Jango trained all 3.2 million clone units on his own? Busy man. I'm sure the computerized education seen in AOTC and in the novel was all misinformation then?
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted: Havac posted:It's a culture, not a rival nation. Oh yeah, Mandalorians and the Republic are perfectly synonymous. This is ridiculous to the point of not even needing a rebuttal.
LtNOWIS posted:The clone troopers didn't know the democratic, freedomific ideals of the Republic. They weren't fighting for freedom. They were fighting because that's what they were ordered to do, and they were raised to obey orders. That's why they were generally ok with serving the Empire. The Mando ideals of survival, family, and wearing armor don't clash with their soldier-oriented lives.