Author Topic: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #?)
BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18/06 2:34pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
I don't think it was to settle a score, I think it was to keep Luke and his sister from dying at Vader's hands.

 

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Date Posted: 4/18/06 2:38pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
BobaMatt posted:
I don't think it was to settle a score, I think it was to keep Luke and his sister from dying at Vader's hands.


Well, fair enough, but it's not very Jedi of Obi-Wan to start possessing his apprentice, despite the danger he's in. Palpatine trying to take control of Anakin Solo's body was the epitome of evil, so Obi-Wan would be very naughty for trying it. Tut tut, baaad Jedi.

 

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AdmiralWesJanson  4693 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18/06 3:21pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
It's no different from Luke puppeteering Jacen in JAT... It's not like they planned to more than fight and leave. Palpodious planned to set up shop in Anakin Solo, not help him out in a duel.

 

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Date Posted: 4/18/06 4:20pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
AdmiralWesJanson posted:
It's no different from Luke puppeteering Jacen in JAT... It's not like they planned to more than fight and leave. Palpodious planned to set up shop in Anakin Solo, not help him out in a duel.


i was just about to reply along these lines (good thing i kept reading). Luke takes over Jacen when Jacen's too young to fully realize what's happening, and when Luke's not even dead (but pretty close) so if anything this is far worse than truely dead Obi-Wan taking over adult (and presumably consenting, haven't ever read Splinter) Luke. i think short-term use of another's body, to protect that person and others, is a perfectly acceptable action on the part of a Jedi spirit (dead or otherwise), especially when the person in question is unable to defend his/her self against the threat.

once again this shows the difference between Sith/Dark Jedi and good Jedi isn't so much what powers they have or what they do, but how they do it, why and to what extent. like for instance, if Anakin Skywalker had taken Dooku's head off mid-duel, while both were still actively fighting, it would have been fine, even a good thing. killing him in cold blood after defeating him was pretty much a pure Dark Side act. same's true of Force possesion... quickly in the heat of battle to help another, by a generally good jedi, probably ok. permanently for one's own gain, not to save another/the one being possesed, really bad.

 

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BobaMatt  14519 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18/06 4:41pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
Taking off Dooku's head mid-duel would have been frowned upon. In fact, up until chopping off Dooku's head, Anakin was doing a pretty good job as a Jedi.

 

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Date Posted: 4/23/06 3:08pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
danielc56 posted:
Awhile back I started a thread trying to get more info on the origin of Vader's suit. It's appearance out-of-the-blue in Ep. III was a little disappointing. There doesn't seem to be much info tying it in with the rest of the EU. Maybe your Vader's Legacy article would be a place to tie it in a little better with the rest of the Star Wars universe...

...or it would be a great excuse for still another Abel/Joe collaboration praying
For years, I've been a big fan of the lines in the Star Wars Technical Journal stating that Vader had a proto-type version of his suit early on which he modified over the years. I twisted my brain into knots trying to put that somehow into Vader's Legacy, but realized it's best suited for a different project.

000 posted:
Abel, there's a Halagad icon now. Figured I'd give you the heads up...
I saw that. Thanks TZ. I'm a very happy Jedi. happy

Rogue_Follower posted:
Probably cause its an early version of the suit. Vader probably moded it after that little incident. wink
Guess that's the early version the Tech Jounral was talking about. wink

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Let us not forget that Star Wars is a space opera with the trappings of a 1930's movie serial. Some things are high tech, others decidedly not.
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Date Posted: 4/24/06 2:54am Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
Lord_Hydronium posted:
Sweet! I like it when decidedly non-canon stuff gets references, like the Skippy one in Droids and the Force. It's the Star Wars equivalent of a crossover.
Heh heh, I like that. happy

Rogue_Follower posted:
Though he could be related to the Jedi Shon Kon Ray or Han Solo. Also, his whip and hat (and the Ark) are seen in the Space Station Scardia. mischief
Ah yes! Good point.

Nemuro posted:
*dies of excitement*
Rise, my friend.

Rogue_Follower posted:
Any hint on the web enhancement?
Assuming all goes as planned, Vader's Legacy will focus on Vader, and the web enhancement will be more or less Anakin-centric.

Rogue_Follower posted:
'Cause there are some pretty interesting obscure sources dealing with him that need references. Particuarly him fighting Luke over a Sith Amulet in Yoda Stories (which could possibly be connected to his indestructable Mandalorian crushgaunt... a legacy of his, right? mischief batting ) Also, various boss beasts first appearing to be him in the Namco Star Wars game, and his legendary ("Vader... with a Gun!?!") gun from Empire Strikes Back for NES, Boba Fett: Enemy of the Empire, and the old Kenner toy line.
These will have to be passed over in silence. For now.

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Halagad_Ventor posted:
The psychadelic retreat Luke uses in Before the Storm. Again, just because it's not in the Insider piece, don't count it out.

Sounds neat. Darn it, I have enough to do; don't go giving me more of an interest to want to read the BFC! tongue
That trilogy had a flavor all its own. It was the first Bantam trilogy not to have have "trilogy" in the title, for one! Goodness. Very cool books, though Shield of Lies was a bit difficult to get through.

Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
Is the article going to cover how in Dark Lord, Palpatine says that there's only one true Sith holocron and that the rest are fakes made to fool the Jedi?
Indirectly, yes.

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Date Posted: 4/24/06 3:28am Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)

That's true. Black Fleet doesn't have trilogy in its title. I used to think that front cover frigate was a Star Cruiser, back in the innocent days when I puzzled over why they made a big deal of little Corellian Corvettes in every book.

 

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Date Posted: 4/24/06 4:38am Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
The Ep 5 novel actually calls the Nebulons Star Cruisers. happy

 

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AdmiralWesJanson  4693 posts
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Date Posted: 4/24/06 10:52am Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
Is the thrawn Trilogy ever officially referred to as such? My copies are not labeled as a trilogy that I can recall. I would have to look to confirm this, though.

 

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Date Posted: 4/24/06 11:56am Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
[i]>>>These will have to be passed over in silence. For now.

 

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Date Posted: 4/24/06 12:05pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
AdmiralWesJanson posted:
Is the thrawn Trilogy ever officially referred to as such? My copies are not labeled as a trilogy that I can recall. I would have to look to confirm this, though.
Nope, never. At least, not by Bantam. It was always referred to as a "three-book cycle"... which is actually kinda cool. The name Thrawn Trilogy was officialy imposed by West End Games when they released their three dedicated sourcebooks as a single volume.

 

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Date Posted: 4/24/06 12:17pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
>For years, I've been a big fan of the lines in the Star Wars Technical Journal stating that Vader had a proto-type version of his suit early on which he modified over the years. I twisted my brain into knots trying to put that somehow into Vader's Legacy, but realized it's best suited for a different project.<

Oooh, the Technical Journal. I love that book--all the pictures and blueprints and information...though most of it seems to come from the novelizations and WEG, there are some interesting tidbits of lore that appear to have been unique to the Technical Journal...Vader's suit is one, but there are several other lines that jive with the prequels better, among them the statement that Anakin/Vader suffered serious injuries in his youth, including the loss of one limb, and the rumor that stormtroopers are really clones (not the first appearance of the idea to be sure, but still interesting...) Also the suggestion that the Millennium Falcon was once used secretly by the Jedi Knights (!) which is, as far as I know, the only official information regarding the Falcon's history pre-Calrissian, and could always tie-in with the Falcon's appearance in ROTS.

>Guess that's the early version the Tech Jounral was talking about.<

That would seem to be the ideal fix. IIRC, though the ROTS suit was modeled closely after the ANH version, there are slight cosmetic differences, and the ROTS version was, appropriately, made to look brand-new. Dark Lord also hints that Vader tinkered with his suit in order to give him increased range of motion and comfort, so the Technical Journal isn't far off.

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Date Posted: 4/28/06 10:28pm Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
Also looking forward to learning more about Halagad Ventor in this article happy I'm sure Abel has found room for him somewhere wink

 

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Date Posted: 5/1/06 5:02am Subject: RE: "Vader's Legacy": by Abel & Joe (SWI #88)
Abel>>will your article Vader's Legacy explain Lumiya's true lies with Vader and the Sith ?
As your non-official article "The State of the Galactic Civil War" (on Star Fanboy Association website) underlines the fact she would be (with Flint) heir from the Sith Order, I'm expected if this idea will be official one day ^^"

So Vader's Legacy may answer this question... or not ^^" lol

 

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