Author Topic: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
razzy1319  1862 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 10:14pm Subject: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 7/5/06 6:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: dp4m
The story is called ODDS and it's set a few months after the end of Triple Zero. It features Atin from Omega Squad and Null ARC Lieutenants Mereel and Prudii. Between them, they discover that the first casualty of war, as we all know only too well these days, is a precious and fragile thing called the truth.

Mods, couldnt find the two original threads using Yahoo's Advanced Search Function and the Thread Index so please lock if you find it.

Anyways, Traviss has been hinting at the TOS that the short story might explain further(Fandos) or retcon(Saxtos) the so called numbers... Anyone want to take a guess at what it might be?

 

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Kudzu  6437 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 10:19pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
It better be a good fix.

I won't bother starting the argument again to explain why.

 

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000  4729 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 10:26pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
It'd better be good, the way she's been smugly hinting at it in her various online writings.

It is, however, almost certain to be a lame "Palpatine the chessmaster" 'fix.'

(As a side note, "Saxtonites" aren't really the big detractors of the number. Most people dislike it, myself included, and I'm no "Saxtonite".)

 

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cyris8400  477 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 10:44pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Kudzu and 000 have the same icon and posted consecutively. It's almost like going to school and finding out someone else is wearing the same outfit!

*valley girl* Like, oh, my gosh.

 

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Excellence  24488 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 10:57pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)

What was the issue again?

 

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razzy1319  1862 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 11:14pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
000: It is lame but simple, fact and logical, judging by her recent blogs logical is the way she usually goes... heres to that and something more that we might have already discussed in the old thread. grin

Ex: Less controversial(than the SSD length debate) published number of clones fighting that us fans argue about. nerd

 

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QuentinGeorge  4759 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 11:34pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
If it's anything other than "3 million was incorrect", it's going to be lame.

 

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QuentinGeorge  4759 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 11:50pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
To clarify, the only logical "fix" will be to disavow the ridiculous number altogether.

I'm not holding my breath, however.

And for the record, I'm not even close to a Saxtonite. I don't give a crap about the SSD's length or name...this clone number is a far bigger error than either of those two, and I can't understand why the EU consists in perpetuating it.

 

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Excellence  24488 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/06 11:53pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)

Oh, the 3 million thing.

 

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000  4729 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:00am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Here's Traviss's full thoughts on the matter:

Karen Traviss posted:
Let's not [debate the clone number again]. I have nothing to hide, but I deplore ideological battles of orthodoxy and I've said so from day one.

So I'll answer it here, because there will be an end to this, period.

I've never gone public on this. I will in the next few weeks. A number of folks - including Abel Pena and others -have seen my solution, which has been around for a fair old time, and said; "Oh! Never thought of that..." It's actually surprised some people, although I'm not sure why.

The answer is very, very obvious. To me, anyway. I'm not being a smart-a$$ - but I genuinely don't understand why nobody saw this. I hinted and hinted and hinted, but nobody got it. I didn't spell it out at the time even though it might have stopped the garbage that Ryan and I were getting, because it could have killed a story. Merc as that sounds, I have to eat. Names will never hurt me, but starving will. wink I even gave a huge hint in my recent SW blog, but...nothing.

The answer is there in the title of the blog entry.

And it's has been on our TVs and in our newspapers for three years solid, and probably will be for years to come, alas. And still nobody is making the connection. I think this is because I have such a different professional background to most folk, and so such a different take on life, that I see things that others don't. (Just as others see things that are obvious to them and not me. That's life.) I've spelled out every single piece of evidence about this except one - the screamingly obvious one as far as I'm concerned; it was my first thought and apparently everyone else's last. I accept that might be because I'm weird. But there were even hints in the GAR article: one of my writer buddies reminded me of that. Ryan and I did lay the ground...


But remember two things: what I do know very intimately is politics and military, and that the mindset I used for this was Palpatine's.

Read Odds when it comes out in Insider #87. I know some will prefer never to accept it, and that's their choice. But to me, and now others, it made perfect sense in a much wider strategy aimed at creating a totalitarian empire.

One thing I'll say: Palpatine was a very, very shrewd player with a very long game plan. Getting in his head - not for the POV, for the research - was educational. Respect, Palps, And that's praise indeed coming from an old spin doc. We're still seeing the aftermath of what you did.

I won't be getting into long debates about this until April 1, because I'm way behind on a book that has to be with my other publishers by the end of the month at the latest. So if discussion takes place, you'll have to wait for me to show up at the party .... wink

 

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Lord_Hydronium  6272 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:02am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 12:02am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
QuentinGeorge posted:
And for the record, I'm not even close to a Saxtonite. I don't give a crap about the SSD's length or name...this clone number is a far bigger error than either of those two, and I can't understand why the EU consists in perpetuating it.

To LFL's credit, I think it's just Traviss that insists on perpetuating it. The several direct contradictions of the three million number in the canon should be in the Holocron, and I haven't seen any non-Traviss statements since the GGAR article on it.

 

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QuentinGeorge  4759 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:03am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
So I guess she's going with some lame, overly complicated "fix" then.

rolling_eyes

 

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Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:05am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 12:11am (1 edits total) Edited By: 000
Well, y'see, Quent, you're just too dense to understand it. We all are. Karen Traviss simply operates on a higher level of intellect than us.

 

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QuentinGeorge  4759 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:06am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Seriously, how hard would it be to say, "Oops! The number was wrong. Where we wrote "3 million", it should have read "300 billion" LFL apologises for the error."

See? All over and done with, and it doesn't require any LOL!AWEZOME!! fix that apparently I'm an ignoramous if I don't immediately declare to be brilliant and logical.

 

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Tam_Elgrin  4205 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:10am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
I wish more authors followed the Abel G. Pena approach of "never, ever pin down exact numbers or dates unless you really, really, really need to in order to make the piece work".

 

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Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:13am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Quentin: I don't get it either. They did it with the SSD length, and that number's been around a helluva lot longer than this one.

Tam: I don't mind concrete numbers, I'd just like them to make sense.

 

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