Author Topic: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
StarKiller_Outrider  263 posts
Registered: May '06
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 4:35pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>Yes, that’s not name calling that’s what he was doing. That and baiting. <<<

Where? Show me, because I must be missing it.

Well for one him accusing me of bashing and flaming him when I wasn’t. Him not replying to any points raised against his per determined conclusion. Him just starting over. Him acting insulted when my opinion was different then his and demanding I respect his opinion because it was his opinion.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>That still doen’t answer why you edited out may taking his concession after he conceded. You could have just edited out the “Troll” part. <<<

Yes, but the entire sentence was rather condescending, so it was removed.

Really lets look at it because I have it saved in my word file. Normally I erase it after posting but because it was my last one of yesterday I just left it in file.

“Concession gladly accepted Troll.” Ok, Edit: “Concession gladly accepted“. I don’t see how the edited sentence is rather condescending. Is it the word “gladly”. If you wanted you could have taken that out also.
Second edit “Concession accepted again good by troll.” Ok, Edit: “Concession accepted again good by“. I am embarrass that I put by and not bye. But I don’t see what wrong with the whole sentence.
Last edit “Yes, LFL NEGD rectons Odds. I know you don’t like that fact so bye troll.” Edit “Yes, LFL NEGD rectons Odds. I know you don’t like that, so bye ”. I edited out Fact and Troll. But besides that its an ok sentence. It appears that only 4 words needed to be removed to avoid implied baiting.

 

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Rogue_Follower  8534 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 4:43pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 7/4/06 4:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
[i]>>>Did I. I didn’t write it in a inflammatory manner. So was your editing out my taking his concession baiting because it was not necessary. >>Ok, it was trolling. Thanks. So my calling him a troll was right just not in the way I implied inflammatory manner, Ok. Thanks for letting me know. >>Him not replying to point raised and just starting over. He wasn’t even really trying to debate. If that not baiting and trolling I don’t know what is. My definition of a troll also includes spamming. Also his accusing everyone of bashing him and flaming him was trollish. Since no one was. Except for my implied baiting at the end. >>“Concession gladly accepted Troll.” Ok, Edit: “Concession gladly accepted“. I don’t see how the edited sentence is rather condescending. Is it the word “gladly”. If you wanted you could have taken that out also.
Second edit “Concession accepted again good by troll.” Ok, Edit: “Concession accepted again good by“. I am embarrass that I put by and not bye. But I don’t see what wrong with the whole sentence.
Last edit “Yes, LFL NEGD rectons Odds. I know you don’t like that fact so bye troll.” Edit “Yes, LFL NEGD rectons Odds. I know you don’t like that, so bye ”. I edited out Fact and Troll. But besides that its an ok sentence. It appears that only 4 words needed to be removed to avoid implied baiting.

 

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StarKiller_Outrider  263 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 4:47pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:

>>>So my supposed baiting was more obvious to his border insulting baiting. Ok got it. Other Mods have told me before that its ok to be border line insulting before and its ok. I’ll try to be more border line baiting in the future. <<<

No.

No to what. “Other Mods have told me before that its ok to be border line insulting before and its ok.” This (it was DP4M by the way) or “So my supposed baiting was more obvious to his border insulting baiting. I’ll try to be more border line baiting in the future“ This. Please be more clear what you mean.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>Its just that his baiting went on for more then one page so I thought it was Oked by the modes. You know endorsement by omission. <<<

Come on. We can't be everywhere at once, no matter what the rumors say.---even mods need sleep or have to go to work.

I understand that. It went on for about two days before you came in and edit my post and gave only me a warning. The other 2 mods did nothing.
Rogue_Follower posted:
If there's something wrong, PM us and we'll take care of it as soon as possible.

I’ll do that in the future. But I was wondering why you didn’t give JediWampa a warning at the time. Not until you told me you did that behind the screen did I find out.

 

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Rogue_Follower  8534 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 4:56pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 7/4/06 4:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
[i]>>>No to what. “Other Mods have told me before that its ok to be border line insulting before and its ok.” This (it was DP4M by the way) or “So my supposed baiting was more obvious to his border insulting baiting. I’ll try to be more border line baiting in the future“ This. Please be more clear what you mean. >>I understand that. It went on for about two days before you came in and edit my post and gave only me a warning. The other 2 mods did nothing.
>>I’ll do that in the future. But I was wondering why you didn’t give JediWampa a warning at the time. Not until you told me you did that behind the screen did I find out.

 

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StarKiller_Outrider  263 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 5:00pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:

>>>Did I. I didn’t write it in a inflammatory manner. So was your editing out my taking his concession baiting because it was not necessary. <<<

I don't know you're intent, but it looked inflamatory. Drop it.

Ok, I did cover this in more depth in another post. So I will obey you order.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>Ok, it was trolling. Thanks. So my calling him a troll was right just not in the way I implied inflammatory manner, Ok. Thanks for letting me know. <<<

Barely trolling, and the only reason I say that is because of a few unnecessary comments. You're doing more trolling right now than he was.

How, I’m answering your questions and your answering mine. JediWampa was not. I always reply to post addressed to me. Its being polite.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>Him not replying to point raised and just starting over. He wasn’t even really trying to debate. If that not baiting and trolling I don’t know what is. My definition of a troll also includes spamming. Also his accusing everyone of bashing him and flaming him was trollish. Since no one was. Except for my implied baiting at the end. <<<

He was making his point,

Which was he liked the 3 million number. Then I would try to debate him and give counter evidence. Then he would state he liked the 3 million number. Again and again. But he did add he had secret info that he wont talk about. At the end.
Rogue_Follower posted:
maybe not very well, but it wasn't trolling.

He just started over. He could have saved us all a lot of time if he did one post and left. It would have been the same results. Since he did not debate.
Rogue_Follower posted:
Saying that he's being bashed may approach a persecution-complex sort of trolling, but its not anything major and from the way you guys jump on newcomers, I understand it.

So he was persecution-complex sort of trolling. Ok. We didn’t jump on him. He stated his opinion. I said mine and evidence. Then he acted offended and started over. It also appears he didn’t read any of the before debates.

 

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StarKiller_Outrider  263 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 5:14pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>No to what. “Other Mods have told me before that its ok to be border line insulting before and its ok.” This (it was DP4M by the way) or “So my supposed baiting was more obvious to his border insulting baiting. I’ll try to be more border line baiting in the future“ This. Please be more clear what you mean. <<<

I appologize for my lack of clarity. I meant no to the "I’ll try to be more border line baiting in the future." Stay away from the bashing border please.

Is baiting bashing. Baiting is trying to get someone to insult you so they are banned. Bashing is personally insulting someone which will get them banned. I didn’t know that. I have been baited before and noted it in my past posted. No mods have ever made any note of it in the past.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>I understand that. It went on for about two days before you came in and edit my post and gave only me a warning. The other 2 mods did nothing.
<<<

I could have banned you, since you've been given other warnings before, but I decided to give you a chance.

Thanks, I hope I have explained what happened well. By the way. How do you keep track of warnings. Is it in a file some were or do you just remember.
Rogue_Follower posted:
Reasoning for the editing? I got some complaints (from multiple posters, so don't go blaming one person) on your postings, and that post was the most obvious and most recent which looked insulting. I can't say anything for the other two mods; if they come by and say that I was wrong, I will admit my error.

Thank you for talking to me about this. It appears to be your style of just erasing everything and saying “No”. Which can be very confusing if you don’t remember what you wrote. No I think you were right to edit 4 words out of my post. Its just you took everything out.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>I’ll do that in the future. But I was wondering why you didn’t give JediWampa a warning at the time. Not until you told me you did that behind the screen did I find out. <<<

I PMed him about it when I edited your post. Maybe I should have told him publicly, but I figured that that's why I put that bold, reddish post right after yours

Yes, but by you just publicly giving me a warning. It looked like you endorsed JediWampa. Which it appears you are not. You could have just put a “and you two JediWampa” next to my warning and I would have been fine it.

 

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Rogue_Follower  8534 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 5:22pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 7/4/06 5:22pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
[i]>>>How, I’m answering your questions and your answering mine. JediWampa was not.>>I always reply to post addressed to me. Its being polite. >>So he was persecution-complex sort of trolling. Ok. We didn’t jump on him. He stated his opinion. I said mine and evidence. Then he acted offended and started over. It also appears he didn’t read any of the before debates. >>Is baiting bashing. Baiting is trying to get someone to insult you so they are banned. Bashing is personally insulting someone which will get them banned. I didn’t know that. I have been baited before and noted it in my past posted. No mods have ever made any note of it in the past. >>Thanks, I hope I have explained what happened well. By the way. How do you keep track of warnings. Is it in a file some were or do you just remember. >>Thank you for talking to me about this. It appears to be your style of just erasing everything and saying “No”. Which can be very confusing if you don’t remember what you wrote. No I think you were right to edit 4 words out of my post. Its just you took everything out. >>Yes, but by you just publicly giving me a warning. It looked like you endorsed JediWampa. Which it appears you are not. You could have just put a “and you two JediWampa” next to my warning and I would have been fine it.

 

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StarKiller_Outrider  263 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 5:26pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>“Concession gladly accepted Troll.” Ok, Edit: “Concession gladly accepted“. I don’t see how the edited sentence is rather condescending. Is it the word “gladly”. If you wanted you could have taken that out also.
Second edit “Concession accepted again good by troll.” Ok, Edit: “Concession accepted again good by“. I am embarrass that I put by and not bye. But I don’t see what wrong with the whole sentence.
Last edit “Yes, LFL NEGD rectons Odds. I know you don’t like that fact so bye troll.” Edit “Yes, LFL NEGD rectons Odds. I know you don’t like that, so bye ”. I edited out Fact and Troll. But besides that its an ok sentence. It appears that only 4 words needed to be removed to avoid implied baiting. <<<

"good by" can also be taken as insulting.

Really, I thought saying good bye when someone just said that they were leaving was just being polite. Oh, my gosh. I’ve been insulting people all my life. Thanks for letting me know. What would be a good replacement to “good bye” maybe “See yea”. I don’t think that’s insulting. Now looking at what I just wrote could be taken as sarcasm. Which I don’t intend to do and wrote state.
Rogue_Follower posted:
Its a public forum, nobody has to leave.

I don’t make him leave. I didn’t even ask him to leave. I only said “See yea” after he said he was leaving.
Rogue_Follower posted:
Also, if he's giving a concession, you don't need to accept it

Really, I do it out of politeness. To let them know they conceded and to let them correct it if it was an accident. Also it makes it easer to know what topics are being resolved and dropped.
Rogue_Follower posted:
---that sounds like unnecessary gloating. We allow it, but its on the edge.

That’s weird. I’ve never been on a board were asking or taking a Concision was “on the edge” of getting banned.

 

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Date Posted: 7/4/06 5:28pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
>>Its just that his baiting went on for more then one page so I thought it was Oked by the modes. You know endorsement by omission. >It went on for about two days before you came in and edit my post and gave only me a warning. The other 2 mods did nothing.

 

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Rogue_Follower  8534 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 5:36pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
[i]>>>Really, I thought saying good bye when someone just said that they were leaving was just being polite. Oh, my gosh. I’ve been insulting people all my life. Thanks for letting me know. What would be a good replacement to “good bye” maybe “See yea”. I don’t think that’s insulting. Now looking at what I just wrote could be taken as sarcasm. Which I don’t intend to do and wrote state. >>I don’t make him leave. I didn’t even ask him to leave. I only said “See yea” after he said he was leaving. >>Really, I do it out of politeness. To let them know they conceded and to let them correct it if it was an accident. Also it makes it easer to know what topics are being resolved and dropped. >>That’s weird. I’ve never been on a board were asking or taking a Concision was “on the edge” of getting banned.

 

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StarKiller_Outrider  263 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 5:42pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:

>>>How, I’m answering your questions and your answering mine. JediWampa was not.<<<

What you're (well, we're) doing getting this thread off topic, and is unnecessary to the debate. No, you're not truly trolling, but then again Jedi Wampa wasn't either.

Oh, sorry. You could have just said that we were going off topic.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>I always reply to post addressed to me. Its being polite. <<<

This could go on for a very long time then. Lets try to wrap this up in the next few posts, before we drag this thread way off topic, ok?

Ok, that’s true. You editing old post and me replying to them though me off also. You have a strange style of posting if you don’t mind me saying.
Rogue_Follower posted:
StarKiller posted:
>>>So he was persecution-complex sort of trolling. Ok. We didn’t jump on him. He stated his opinion. I said mine and evidence. Then he acted offended and started over. It also appears he didn’t read any of the before debates. <<<

There are over two thousand posts on this thread---over half of which are quote marathons. Yes, he could have benefited from reading through some of the thread, but we shouldn't fault him for it.

Are you saying we should have told him we have been over this and read all of the thread. I think I mentioned it to him once. But he never replied. So I don’t know if he did it on prepuce.
Rogue_Follower posted:
[quote=StarKiller]>>>Is baiting bashing. Baiting is trying to get someone to insult you so they are banned. Bashing is personally insulting someone which will get them banned. I didn’t know that. I have been baited before and noted it in my past posted. No mods have ever made any note of it in the past. <<<

Dangit! I meant baiting! Sorry, typo. [/quote]
Its ok. I do it all the time.
Rogue_Follower posted:
[quote=StarKiller]>>>Thanks, I hope I have explained what happened well. By the way. How do you keep track of warnings. Is it in a file some were or do you just remember. <<<

Each user has a written record of their warnings, bannings, etc. [/quote]
Oh, ok. I had no idea.
Rogue_Follower posted:
[quote=StarKiller]>>>Thank you for talking to me about this. It appears to be your style of just erasing everything and saying “No”. Which can be very confusing if you don’t remember what you wrote. No I think you were right to edit 4 words out of my post. Its just you took everything out. <<<

Yes, and I appologize for any confusion I have caused. In the future I'll try to be more "surgical" in my edits. I hold nothing against you for your questions; feedback is appreciated. [/quote]
I appreciate you replying to me. Thanks for explaining I feel a lot better about it.
[quote=Rogue_Follower][quote=StarKiller]>>>Yes, but by you just publicly giving me a warning. It looked like you endorsed JediWampa. Which it appears you are not. You could have just put a “and you two JediWampa” next to my warning and I would have been fine it. <<< [/quote]
Right, I should have named names. Next time I'll be more direct. [/quote]
True, or since you were editing my reply to JedIWampa just said you two nock it off. That way we both would have known what you meant.
[quote=Rogue_Follower]OK, here's the final standing, in my estimation: you (StarKiller_Outrider) were mildly baiting JediWampa by calling him a troll and telling him goodbye. He (JediWampa) was mildly trolling by not replying to specific posts aimed at him, and may or may not have had a "persecution-complex." (Personally, I think he's just not used to how strongly you guys argue your point in this thread; TF.N is usually more laid-back.) Both of you have been warned to behave. I've edited one of you're posts, and in the future I'll try to be more vigilant, and to watch what I edit out of the post. Also, I will try to be more clear and direct when a problem appears.
Are we fine with this? [/quote]
I’m cool with that. Thanks for your time. You don’t have to reply to this if you don’t want to.

 

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