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Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:16am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 12:33am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
	Tam_Elgrin posted: I wish more authors followed the Abel G. Pena approach of "never, ever pin down exact numbers or dates unless you really, really, really need to in order to make the piece work". And the corollary to that philosophy, "if you do choose to use exact numbers, don't make yourself out to be a huge hypocrite by turning right around and mocking other people for caring about exact numbers". QuentinGeorge posted: Seriously, how hard would it be to say, "Oops! The number was wrong. Where we wrote "3 million", it should have read "300 billion" LFL apologises for the error." Heck, I think that attitude would do the EU well in general. Not necessarily on big things, but on number issues. I was glad to see them do just that for the SSD; no secondary "Super-class", no "you just have bad eyesight", no "WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT NUMBERS YOU DORK", just a simple "Whoops, guess we made a mistake. Pay those old numbers no mind." -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
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QuentinGeorge Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:16am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	Tam: I agree. If they can't give realistic numbers, don't give one at all. -----signature----- Yar
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:33am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	Sometimes I wish I was here to talk to her during that. Instead, I vanish, and I return, and Karen's gone! sighs Hopefully Sidious did something akin to pretending to fill the army with conscripts, but in fact was inserting clones left, right and centre. Would explain why the loss of Kamino in month 31 didn't murder the Republic. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Teaser of Chapter 9.5 is up! Wes vs Tarfang, Gavin and the Coup, Luke and Jacen, and much more! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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QuentinGeorge Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:41am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	I'd like that explanation, but I don't think I'm going to get it. -----signature----- Yar
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razzy1319 Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 4/3/06 12:51am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	Oh well... that was a nice and short discussion that added to the the subject(sarcasm)... I guess this place has its SFcans too... Mods pls lock... I'll just find the old one and start anew... -----signature----- In Space No One Can Hear Your Scream, Except For The BattleCry Of A Galactic Marine -Fictional BattleCry My Kind Weren't Made To Kneel -Fictional Clone Trooper Worst Admin Ever - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov
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QuentinGeorge Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 4/3/06 1:00am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	Why are you requesting a lock? Aren't we allowed to discuss this issue unless we heap glowing praise on this "brilliant fix"? -----signature----- Yar
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razzy1319 Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 4/3/06 1:22am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	QuentinGeorge posted: Why are you requesting a lock? Aren't we allowed to discuss this issue unless we heap glowing praise on this "brilliant fix"? This issue has been discussed, all youre doing is adding more insult to injury. If you wish to bring up these discussions then go to the TOS and post on a forum where your complaints can be answered by the author. I dont know if youve already done that since your usernames are different over there but If you have, I have seen nothing that convinces them that your issues are supposed to be recognized. Maybe we should ask what other people who have clout with LFL what their opinion is? Ask Stradley, Ask Abel, Ask Rostoroni{sorry), or Chee. If somebody doesnt agree then we should call them smug ass who dont care about the realism of star wars. (Go Pot). We asked for realistic stories, so we get a nerdy teenager or a 20 year old that loves the spartans so much he disregards that they killed thier own freaking babies and we fail to see that. Lock this Thread... cause I'm babbling too much about something that aint supposed to be in here. And you will all probably in a minute or so. -----signature----- In Space No One Can Hear Your Scream, Except For The BattleCry Of A Galactic Marine -Fictional BattleCry My Kind Weren't Made To Kneel -Fictional Clone Trooper Worst Admin Ever - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov
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Matthew Trias Registered: Sep '99	Date Posted: 4/3/06 1:27am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 1:29am (1 edits total) Edited By: Matthew Trias
	Three billion wouldn't be enough. Couldn't we just accept that the number applies only to the Kaminoan clones? After all the NEC says that many of the clones at the end of the Clone Wars were not Kaminoan made but Spaarti brand. The GAR at the beginning of the Clone Wars had the 3 million clone troopers plus how many ever Republican Guard and nationalized Security Force troopers. Even an entire planet full of clones wouldn't be enough to support the entire war. You're talking about galactic war. Yes, a few billion clones might make us feel better but the brunt of the operations would fall on non clone troops. A few billion clones could be wiped out in the attempted conquering of a few CIS fortress worlds. It's hard to do away with the 3 million figure when you've had entire books shaped around the premise that there were only 1 million clone troopers early in the war. Shatterpoint showed us a slightly hotter than cold cold war as both sides drew lines in the sand and assessed each other's tactical and strategic abilities with probing strikes. The book showing the locations of AotCs uses a 200 thousand figure concerning the number of clone troopers that were present on Geonosis which coincidentally matches up with the 200 thousand units line, implying that a unit really does refer to one trooper.(200 thousand units were sent to Geonosis according to AotCs) Considering how Kamino was marginalized during the Clone Wars(see the SW databank entry on the missions of the 501st) you caan easily say that the amount of Clone troopers they supplied to the war effort was only 3 million by war's end. The Spaarti tech could have supplied billions as factories around the galaxy churned the cylinders out. The 3 million figure could only refer to the Kaminoan clones which also happen to be what Ms. Traviss's novels exclusively focus on. However, I haven't been following this debate. If it's being insisted that the GAR was made up of only 3 million troopers for the war's entire duration... well that's not merely silly, but impossible. Not remotely possible. The CIS prosecution of the war would be so incompetent as to be unbelievable. People would know that something was up. Nor could you claim they were so successful because they faught against droids. The CIS field many an organic army in the comics, even deploying its own clone army on Saleucami at the end of the war. Judging from the descriptions of the Saleucami seige in the comics, 3 million troopers could have easily perished in that incident alone. As long as the figure only refers to what the Kaminoans supplied the war effort, things are fine. Try and say that the GAR had 3 million and only 3 million for the entire war....well, all logic within the story breaks down. Other than the 3 million trooper figure , are there any other complaints about Ms. Traviss' work? Story? plot? Characterization? -----signature----- Bushator vs Kerryien Whoever wins, we lose. Buy Exo Squad on DVD! You Won't Be Disappointed
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/3/06 1:36am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	Well, the NEC did note that planetary militias became 'unsung heroes' as well as conscription. A squadron of Clone troopers could recruit on a planet and cause a massive uprisings on Malastare, Giju, etc. The Clone Army, yes, 3 Million. I accept that fine. The entire Republic army? No. But, they aren't the entire Republic army. We have naval officers, after all. And the aforementioned planetary militias, conscripts. Then Palpy, taking controlling of the planetary navies and militias, had several million ships and billion troopers appearing. Works fine waves hand in dismissal And yes, quintillions of droids would overwhelm the Republic, but not the entire galaxy. Which the CIS were aiming for. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Teaser of Chapter 9.5 is up! Wes vs Tarfang, Gavin and the Coup, Luke and Jacen, and much more! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 4/3/06 2:39am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 2:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: Excellence
	By the porking pigs of Gamorr, I finally understand what the fuss is about! I wasn't paying much attention last year. It's the Erikson books, they demand full concentration if you hope to understand what the smurf is going on by midpoint of those thousand pagers. I hope it's not too late, can I propose my equally valid and totally carefree speculation? Why is 3m insufficient? People are assuming because it's a galaxywide conflict, there must be hundreds of bushfires everywhere. Think of it as America. She or he's got an approx 3m army, according to my New Age-class '80s encyclopedia (what a funny name, "encyclopdeia"!), but so does Vietnam for that matter. Does the baseballers need to fight a world war all over the globe? If the ginger-addicted Lizards are concentrating on specific regions, you don't need to mobilise more of that 6 billion natives, do you? Ah, fester it all. I can't be bothered. The Clone War was presented so superficially, so artificially, I just can't artifact too much interest. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Jon_Bidinger Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 4/3/06 3:10am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	Yes Ex, and those ginger-addicted Lizards conquered Australia among other places -----signature----- Ke nu jurkad sha Mando'ade, burc'ya! Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur. Proud Winner of a Golden Ewok™.
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 4/3/06 3:21am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	The outrage. I noticed that! But hey, they wanted a desert, that's what they got. Had they stayed until 2000, out GST would have crippled their economy. I know you're shouldn't laugh at your own jokes . . . but there are times I just have to. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/3/06 4:46am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	So what's the solution anyone think?
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Cynical Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 4/3/06 5:13am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	I don't particulary care, and to get back on topic, I think this will be an entertaining read no matter the retcons that get included. (now if I could just get Insider in my part of the world...oh well, let's hope for it in the next RC novel.)
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AdmiralWesJanson Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/3/06 5:20am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
	References to Odds, solution to manpower problems in a war, likely not more clones... Silicates! -----signature----- Duke of Corellia Join the Corellian Browncoats in their fight against the evil Alliance! Fix the K-Wing! No more XJs! Make the next X-Wing a T-65K!
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