Author Topic: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 11:13am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
So... basically, I'm supposed to stay out of your threads? I'm not allowed to give my opinion, or to repost things Traviss herself said? I'm still confused.

 

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razzy1319  1862 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 11:16am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
000 posted:
So... basically, I'm supposed to stay out of your threads? I'm not allowed to give my opinion, or to repost things Traviss herself said? I'm still confused.


You add to the discussion of the topic not repost your opinions. your opinions are welcome too...on the subject of course.

 

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Date Posted: 4/3/06 11:17am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Alright, then we shouldn't have a problem in that case. happy

 

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Quiet_Mandalorian  8380 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 11:35am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
"less-Zealous Fandos" is an oxymoron. And it's strange that you'd be so active in defending a race that's been established as committing genocide yet feel so defensive when called on it.
Still hanging on to that "genocide" thing, eh? raised_brow

Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
Also interesting that the Fandos go on and on and on about hos they value strength and all that "warrior" nonsense yet are the first ones to call foul when their feelings are hurt.
It's interesting that you should automatically attribute the negative reactions your comments always receive to "hurt feelings", but then, I suppose that since that's how you seem to think, you must imagine that we're driven by the same logic (or lack thereof).

To quote C.S. Lewis on a warrior, "hard blows or courteous words should be his only language". Perhaps that will help ease your confusion a mite.

 

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Quiet_Mandalorian  8380 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 11:39am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
And the Talifans demonstrate their total lack of self-control yet again. plain

Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
And be honest, does anyone honetsly think Traviss would change her mind after all this? If anything, I bet we'll just be given some stupid manwanking answer like "3 million was actually referring just to the number or clone troopers who left the army aftet the end pf the clone wars, were given secret age-resisting treatments, and joined Boba Fett's elite bodygaurd that you'll see in LOTF."
Cool. cool tongue

Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
"less-Zealous Fandos" is an oxymoron. And it's strange that you'd be so active in defending a race that's been established as committing genocide yet feel so defensive when called on it.
Still hanging on to that "genocide" thing, eh? raised_brow

Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:
Also interesting that the Fandos go on and on and on about hos they value strength and all that "warrior" nonsense yet are the first ones to call foul when their feelings are hurt.
It's interesting that you should automatically attribute the negative reactions your comments always receive to "hurt feelings", but then, I suppose that since that's how you seem to think, you must imagine that we're driven by the same logic (or lack thereof).

To quote C.S. Lewis on a warrior, "hard blows or courteous words should be his only language". Perhaps that will help ease your confusion a mite.

Thrawn McEwok posted:
Karen will do what Karen will do, and there's nothing any of us can do except *itch about it...

I find that state of affairs pleasantly amusing, actually... happy

Then again, maybe it's a British thing... whistling grin
I'd have to rule against that, on the basis of my being amused by it as well, no more so than when taking part in the controversy. tongue

 

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President_Sharky  1191 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 1:51pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
The only Talifans around here are you Fandolorians, who can't seem to accept that your Messiah Karen Traviss is dead wrong on this issue and should back down. She seems like the kind of author that imposes her ideas over those of all the others, case in point her Mandolorianizaition of the GAR. First it was only the commandos, but then it became the entire army that started believing it was a bunch of raving Mandolorians. The clones are docile and obedient beings. They're living machines except for a few exceptions. They shouldn't give a crap about some culture which the prime clone was part of. They only care about protecting the Republic and serving the Chancellor. What about the clones from other hosts (yes they exist in canon, depsite what KT might want you to believe)? Do they become fanatical Corellians or Caridans because of their host?

 

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Ive_Got_Two_Legs  3647 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 1:56pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Geeze, you're right BM, I'm so hung up on genocide...So silly of me! I'll just let it slide! Aftetr all, it's not like it's that important!

 

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RogueWompRat  4444 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 1:58pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Quiet_Mandalorian posted:
Still hanging on to that "genocide" thing, eh? raised_brow



That "genocide thing"? I love how you trivialize the destruction of an entire species.


As to the 3 mil clones, just have that be the number Palps publicly released, with the real figure being much higher (and not stated). Someone who wasn't so full of themself would also add that many galactic citizens cried foul, leading to many debates and arguments. wink

 

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Matthew Trias  12712 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 6:24pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 6:39pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Matthew Trias
PS posted:
She seems like the kind of author that imposes her ideas


Actually, devloping the GAR further has been left entirely in her hands it seems. Not many authors have developed it past her and those who have agreed with her Mandalorianization (Jango'tat or whatever his name was)

It's not writing over others when others have had little to say about the subject.

Besides which, Mandalorian influence on the Sith has been well established even in Pre prequal EU. In Mandalorian Armor, Palpatine says Vader knows something of the Mandalorians while he knows even more. The armor underneath the robes of the Royal Guard is based on that of the Mandalorian Death Watch.

As for the clonetroopers embracing a Mandalorian culture being a mistake because they are meant to be like machines.... well they can't be too much like machinmes or else they'd be like droids. Even in the movies we see individualism in the clone troopers. The stark, sterile stormtroopers of the Empire don't exist yet.

I suggest theat perhaps you don't like the Mandalorianization of the clone troopers because we've been flooded with Mandalorian lore in the last three years. That may cause a gag reflex in any person.

As for clones of different hosts, yes they may be fanatical Caridans if their hosts were allowed to put much of their culture in the daily training routines as Jango was able to(not that he trained all clones, but he certainly made sure that the Kaminoans includeded plenty of mandalorian culture, right down to the armor which has is said to be influenced by Mandalorian armor. After the Republic, the clones are obviously taught nothing else other than to serve the Empire. The clone troopers in the Clone Wars are not exactly the sdtormtroopers we see in ANH.

And President Sharky, Karen should know about the other clone hosts because she wrote about them. She detailed how they were discovered and also created the new cloning company the Empire uses, ArkanianMicro, which can create new clones in a year( the cylinders they grow in are suspiciously reminiscent of Spaarti cylinders). Her first story about these two new hosts appeared in Vader: The Ultimate Guide. The sequal to that story appeared in an an issue of Star Wars Insider a couple of monthys back.


 

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Excellence  24488 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 6:43pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 6:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Excellence

There's more important things to think about, like how characters go to the bathroom on the Falcon.

DarthBoba's right. The Ebon Hawk had no galley or toilet. I was busting all game long. sad

Look, clones are not the end-all of the Republic. They just comprised a significant armed force. Of course the Republic had a navy and army, albeit smaller. How else could they patrol the sectors? The Judicials had armed Consular Cruisers and Lancet starfighters as we've seen.

Clone Intelligence doesn't have to mean literaly Jango-faced agents. They could just be helping to staff the exisiting branch. There was already a Republic Intelligence. Remember Shalla "dimple cheeks" Nelprin's father, of Solo Command? wink

 

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DarthBoba  32897 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 6:57pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound) - Date Edited: 4/3/06 6:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthBoba
Excellence posted:

There's more important things to think about, like how characters go to the bathroom on the Falcon.

DarthBoba's right. The Ebon Hawk had no galley or toilet. I was busting all game long. sad

Look, clones are not the end-all of the Republic. They just comprised a significant armed force. Of course the Republic had a navy and army, albeit smaller. How else could they patrol the sectors? The Judicials had armed Consular Cruisers and Lancet starfighters as we've seen.

Clone Intelligence doesn't have to mean literaly Jango-faced agents. They could just be helping to staff the exisiting branch. There was already a Republic Intelligence. Remember Shalla "dimple cheeks" Nelprin's father, of Solo Command? wink


EX! You rule man.

Got any IMs?

 

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Excellence  24488 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/06 7:33pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)

What's IM?

 

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Date Posted: 4/3/06 7:37pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
Infectious mononucleosis, also known as mono.

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But he probably meant something dealing with instant messaging, most likely AOL, MSN, or Yahoo.

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Date Posted: 4/3/06 8:02pm Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)

Ah. No, I don't have instant messaging. I lack the time to finish Shadows of Amm as it is. I'm up to the drow undercity.

 

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Fist_of_Mandalore  2926 posts
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Date Posted: 4/4/06 4:14am Subject: RE: ODDS in Insider 87 (Controversial Issues Abound)
President_Sharky posted:
The only Talifans around here are you Fandolorians, who can't seem to accept that your Messiah Karen Traviss is dead wrong on this issue and should back down. She seems like the kind of author that imposes her ideas over those of all the others, case in point her Mandolorianizaition of the GAR. First it was only the commandos, but then it became the entire army that started believing it was a bunch of raving Mandolorians. The clones are docile and obedient beings. They're living machines except for a few exceptions. They shouldn't give a crap about some culture which the prime clone was part of. They only care about protecting the Republic and serving the Chancellor. What about the clones from other hosts (yes they exist in canon, depsite what KT might want you to believe)? Do they become fanatical Corellians or Caridans because of their host?

Personally, I think you are both acting like children. And its giving me a damn headache. So, do stop guvnahs.

 

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