Quiet_Mandalorian posted:Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:In fact of those, only DoR shows any human crewmembers onboard Republic ships at all, and even then it's a small fraction of the clone crew.That should be "non-clone", to avoid confusion. Clones are still human, after all.
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:In fact of those, only DoR shows any human crewmembers onboard Republic ships at all, and even then it's a small fraction of the clone crew.
AdmiralWesJanson posted:Are they, really?
Ive_Got_Two_Legs posted:RogueWompRat posted:If they're using clones as gunners for Venators, there's going to be wayyy more then 3 million. Not just gunners from ROTS. At least three sources - the show, Obsession, and Dreadnaughts of Rendili - all show clones being used for positions in the Republic Navy that in later times would get taken by human officers. The cartoon also shows that at least one Venator was entirely crewed by clones. In fact of those, only DoR shows any human crewmembers onboard Republic ships at all, and even then it's a small fraction of the clone crew.
RogueWompRat posted:If they're using clones as gunners for Venators, there's going to be wayyy more then 3 million.
AdmiralWesJanson posted: Are they, really?
Thrawn McEwok posted:Sr: I'd look at it a slightly different way, actually: they could advance through territory, but they couldn't bring the Republic to decisive battle... Could you argue that the Republic fought the Clone Wars much like the Rebellion fought the Galactic Civil War? And we see several ships with non-clone command crews outside Dreadnaughts of Rendili, including Pellaeon's ship in Bloodlines and Sagoro Autem's in The Siege of Saleucami... - The Imperial Ewok
LtNOWIS posted:Anyways, there have been 3 major explanations for the clone numbers thing.
Inside the Worlds of AOTC posted:The first batch of clone divisions are ready for deployment; millions more are undergoing intensive performance evaluation.
Lord_Hydronium posted:LtNOWIS posted:Anyways, there have been 3 major explanations for the clone numbers thing. 4. It's just plain wrong. Forget the logistics of fighting a galactic war with a smaller fighting force than the UK in World War I, forget the fact that the Republic is facing 300 million - 1 odds at best, forget the use of logic at all (Traviss has!). 3,000,000 or 6,000,000 or whatever is expressly contradicted in the canon: Inside the Worlds of AOTC posted:The first batch of clone divisions are ready for deployment; millions more are undergoing intensive performance evaluation. That millions refers to "divisions", notice. Millions of divisions is billions of clones. They compiled several more quotes at Stardestroyer.net as well, though I don't have them at the moment; one of them even mentions Republic forces outnumbering the CIS.
LtNOWIS posted:"Clone are people" has been a consistent theme in Clone Wars novels.
Sinrebirth posted:Yes, I would argue that. Excepting the obvious fact the Republic had more strong points defined by Core Founders (Territory from Duro to Coruscant down the Perlemian to Ralltiir were fortress worlds - planetary shields, armadas, etc), Priority Sectors (Sesswenna, Halla (possibly) Rodia?) and various isolated fortress worlds and reinforced staging points (Kamino, New Holstice, later Boz Pity). The only way the CIS could actually hurt the Republic was to lunge at Republic fleets working alongside Republic Priority Scetors or fortress worlds. Attacks that, logically, are needlessly costly because they involve the entirety of a sectors resources, rather than the CIS picking apart each sector planet-by-planet. The only way the CIS could win was to draw the Republic forces into sieges and trounce them, thus the longetivity of the battles like Atraken, Kashyyyk, Mirgoshir, Null, Metalorn, Ando, Drongar, Sluis Van, etc. The problem being, the Republic could decide where to strike.
Lord_Hydronium posted:That millions refers to "divisions", notice. Millions of divisions is billions of clones. They compiled several more quotes at Stardestroyer.net as well, though I don't have them at the moment; one of them even mentions Republic forces outnumbering the CIS.
Thrawn McEwok posted:Language is a wonderfully flexible thing - you're horribly over-imposing your preferred meaning to insist that "millions" refers to divisions, rather than clones...
Thrawn McEwok posted: Sinrebirth posted:Yes, I would argue that. Excepting the obvious fact the Republic had more strong points defined by Core Founders (Territory from Duro to Coruscant down the Perlemian to Ralltiir were fortress worlds - planetary shields, armadas, etc), Priority Sectors (Sesswenna, Halla (possibly) Rodia?) and various isolated fortress worlds and reinforced staging points (Kamino, New Holstice, later Boz Pity). The only way the CIS could actually hurt the Republic was to lunge at Republic fleets working alongside Republic Priority Scetors or fortress worlds. Attacks that, logically, are needlessly costly because they involve the entirety of a sectors resources, rather than the CIS picking apart each sector planet-by-planet. The only way the CIS could win was to draw the Republic forces into sieges and trounce them, thus the longetivity of the battles like Atraken, Kashyyyk, Mirgoshir, Null, Metalorn, Ando, Drongar, Sluis Van, etc. The problem being, the Republic could decide where to strike. Is the term "priority sector" used so early? But you're right - the Republic has more to defend than the Rebellion; although I wonder if that's a distraction from the inherrent strength shared by the Republic and Alliance, namely their ability to withdraw and lead on their attackers... - The Imperial Ewok
Lord_Hydronium posted:Wrong. "More" requires a noun phrase as an antecedent; the only one is "clone divisions". "Clone" can not be the antecedent, as it is an adjective in this sentence. Language is flexible. That doesn't mean you can redefine English grammar to suit your whim.
Lord_Hydronium posted:But according to ITW, Kaminoan clones alone numbered at least in the billions.
Sinrebirth posted:By Month 24, Priority Sectors are mentioned, actually. So probably somewhat beforehand.