Author Topic: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines (UPDATED: 20-May-08)
dp4m 
Registered: Nov '01
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Date Posted: 4/25/06 6:57am Subject: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines (UPDATED: 20-May-08) - Date Edited: 6/4 5:06pm (9 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
Originally posted here

As with all cyclical things, there has been a noticable increase in spoilers posted without any appreciable warning given. Since this is both against the rules as well as showing a lack of common courtesy to your fellow posters, this will be reposted and revised.

Summary of the Novel Spoiler Policy
  1. One month prior to release, a spoilers-allowed official discussion thread will be posted and stickied. All pre-release spoilers should stay in this thread, and it should be used for the majority of spoiler discussion after release.

  2. At the day of release, a review thread will be posted (spoilers allowed.)

  3. After the day of release, users may PM a moderator to get permission to start a new spoiler thread.

  4. At two weeks after release, spoilers are allowed outside the official sticky thread in highlight-to-read text only.

  5. At one month after release, the spoiler period ends.



Definition Of A Spoiler
A "spoiler" is considered any information about any unreleased Star Wars property (film, TV, novel, comic, etc.) which has not been specifically mentioned by LFL or one of its designated licensees. So if LFL tells us in an official capacity that Han Solo will be sporting a kick-butt new goatee in the next Star Wars novel, it's not a spoiler, but finding out that information from a non-official source is considered a spoiler.


Acceptible Use of Spoilers in the Literature Forum
Despite what we said above, we don't mind the use of spoilers in the Literature forum but there are very specific conditions for their use.

1) Any thread which does not contain a spoiler warning tag (e.g. "Luke Skywalker pwns! (ROTJ Spoilers)") may not have any visible spoiler posted within it, but may have spoilers posted within the thread as HTR (highlight-to-read) only. Any thread with a tag of "[thread title] (No spoilers!)" or the like may never contain any spoiler within it whatsoever (HTR or otherwise).

2) Any thread which DOES contain a spoiler warning tag may contain spoilers within for the source mentioned and for any source no longer bound by spoiler rules. As a courtesy, you may opt to use HTR by using [color= Black] and [hl= Black] tags if you wish, but it is not required.

3) Thread titles THEMSELVES should not contain spoilers within them, even containing the spoiler warning tag. Thus, "Han Solo Dies in TUF (TUF Spoilers)" would not be acceptable, but "Major Character Death!!! (TUF Spoilers)" would be permissible.

4) If you receive an advance copy of the novel in some official capacity (e.g. reviewer, translator, etc.), the posting of MAJOR spoilers (major character deaths, major secret plot points, etc.) from that source prior to the release date is forbidden. Small spoilers and tantalizing details will be allowed (e.g. "dp4m, give us a spoiler PLEASE!" "What, like the fact that the Imperial Remnant has been hiding an SSD this whole time?"), but the staff will be using their judgment to try and preserve as much of the "surprise" as possible. If you receive your copy via purchasing from a legitimate source (e.g. Amazon, your local bookstore, Half.com, etc.) in prior to the release date, you are free to post spoilers provided they follow the other rules listed in these guidelines.

5) As always, OFFICIAL information released (either via press release, web posting or forum posting by an LFL- or licensee-employee) is not considered a spoiler and may be posted without usage of spoiler tags. However, as a matter of courtesy, you may wish to obfuscate this information in certain threads.

Expiration Date of Spoilers in the Literature Forum
After an EU source has been released for 30-days past its US release date, that source will no longer be considered "spoiler material" and may be posted without the usage of spoiler tags. Again, the use of common courtesy when posting about those sources after their release date is at your discretion.

Punishments for Violation of Spoiler Policy
Much like those people who wished to remain "Spoiler Free for Episode III," trying to not read about spoilers before the reading of an EU source is a personal choice and one we support. As it is much easier to close the barn door before the horses escape, it is far easier to have rules in place to prevent spoilers from being accidentally viewed than it is to deprive our users of coming here for all of the other discussion.

So, that being said, we take the posting of spoilers without warning in the Literature Forum very seriously. While you may inadvertantly post minor details which may only receive an edit and/or a warning, if you post some major spoiler without any warning please expect to be banned from the forums for a decent period of time.

As the moderators are not completely omniscient yet, if anyone sees something that they believe to be a spoiler please let one of us know about it and we will take care of it (if necessary). As always, your own definition of "spoiler" may differ from each other but we will be following the above rules as a "lowest common denominator."


Basically, we're trying to make this a place where everyone -- spoiler junkie or no -- can come and discuss all aspects of Star Wars EU Literature and to generally respect that some people want to be surprised by the new stuff and some people don't.

If you have any suggestions or comments on this policy, feel free to come to us with them, and we will consider them.

The Literature Mods (Havac, The2ndQuest, Rogue_Follower, Master_Keralys)


[LAST UPDATED: 20-May-2008, by Rogue_Follower]

 

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Zebra3 
Registered: Aug '04
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Date Posted: 4/25/06 7:05am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
Spoiler Guidelines! applause

 

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Havac 
Title: Lit Mod of Awayness
Registered: Sep '05
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Date Posted: 4/25/06 8:57am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
dp4m posted:
As the moderators are not completely omniscient yet


But you are working on it, right? wink

 

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dp4m 
Registered: Nov '01
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Date Posted: 4/25/06 9:19am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
Havac posted:
dp4m posted:
As the moderators are not completely omniscient yet


But you are working on it, right? wink


Or we may be lulling people into a false sense of security...

 

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Havac 
Title: Lit Mod of Awayness
Registered: Sep '05
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Date Posted: 4/29/06 12:04am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
Curses!! I'll have to watch what I think!

*Walks off loudly singing "DP! What a man, DP!"*

 

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dp4m 
Registered: Nov '01
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Date Posted: 5/1/06 8:17am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
Havac posted:
Curses!! I'll have to watch what I think!

*Walks off loudly singing "DP! What a man, DP!"*


Han Solo, I ain't.
Yet.

 

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Date Posted: 5/1/06 11:03am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
dp4m posted:
As the moderators are not completely omniscient (yet)...


Fixed.

 

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Date Posted: 5/3/06 3:34am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines

They taught us in reproduction science many many solar cycles ago the best defence is a zipped pants. I've see more experienced Literature forumers exude than newcomers. A presidential leave of absence until I can read the latest Legacies is my best DEFCON 4. tongue

 

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Rohniss 
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 5/17/06 11:30am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
So my blow by blow of Triple Zero wasnt well recieved by the moderation team? *innocent look* devil

 

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Jedi Ben 
Registered: Jul '99
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Date Posted: 5/18/06 10:59am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
What happens if a Dark Lord-situation arises in the future with this new policy?

The UK release of Dark Lord was a month ahead of the US, if a similar case was to happen in the future which release date do people go by?

If it is to always be the US, you could have a situation where fans have bought copies of the book officially, thus benefitting both LFL and the author(s) concerned, yet be prevented from saying much about the book online.

JB

 

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dp4m 
Registered: Nov '01
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Date Posted: 5/18/06 11:03am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
Jedi Ben posted:
What happens if a Dark Lord-situation arises in the future with this new policy?

The UK release of Dark Lord was a month ahead of the US, if a similar case was to happen in the future which release date do people go by?

If it is to always be the US, you could have a situation where fans have bought copies of the book officially, thus benefitting both LFL and the author(s) concerned, yet be prevented from saying much about the book online.

JB


We'd have to revisit at that point obviously, but I'm not certain of the likelihood of such a thing occurring again.

 

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Dingo 
Registered: Apr '01
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Date Posted: 5/19/06 8:45am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
It is something that I wouldn't mind having clarified. There are enough times that I am able to legitimately obtain retail copies of some books before the US release date (due to the specifics of importing versus secondary distributers versus local printing books internationally). Given how quickly I read and the thirst for any advanced knowledge of SW books it means I'll have info to share with forum members in specific spoiler threads but have to keep quiet under the current policy.

 

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dp4m 
Registered: Nov '01
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Date Posted: 5/19/06 9:45am Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
Dingo posted:
It is something that I wouldn't mind having clarified. There are enough times that I am able to legitimately obtain retail copies of some books before the US release date (due to the specifics of importing versus secondary distributers versus local printing books internationally). Given how quickly I read and the thirst for any advanced knowledge of SW books it means I'll have info to share with forum members in specific spoiler threads but have to keep quiet under the current policy.


If the Official release date is US-first and you get it early, it would be treated as no different than any other advance copy under the Spoiler Guidelines. The only time we'd have to come up with something different is if the official date is somewhere other than the US in the first place.

 

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jedimasterED 
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Registered: Oct '99
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Date Posted: 5/20/06 3:27pm Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
As I first read this new spoiler policy, I tried to figure out the "why" bhind it. At first I thought it might be based, at least in part, on the notion that providing a venue for a public and voluntary discussion of Lucasfilm titles including specific content information (a.k.a.: spoilers) obtained prior to public release in some way placed TF.N in competetition with Lucasfilm or allowing the posting of spoilers prior to US release in some way cut into the sales and profits of Lucasfilm. I find that idea laughable. It would be enlightening to conduct a formal survey of participating members in this community to ascertain what influence spoiler discussions play on buyer behavior. My assumption would be that posting spoilers actually increases liklihood to purchase by creating interest in the product. My informal review of postings by members seems to indicate that each spoilerific post increases intent to and anticipation of purchase. As I see it, TF.N is actually providing a form of advertising for Lucasfilm procucts, not hindering them.

Then, I supposed another reason for this spoiler policy could be the advertising placements on TF.N pages. One could argue that TF.N is profiting from a form of distribution of copyrighted material without Lucasfilm's consent. However, TF.N has done remarkable job of policing and eliminating direct distribution of copyrighted material on its pages. Furthermore, a discussion of copyrighted material, when properly done, is hardly "distribution," so I wouldn't agree with that tack, either.

As I worked my way through my thoughts on this spoiler policy, I think I stumbled upon the real reason for the spoiler policy: TF.N is in direct competition with Lucasfilm... but not in the print media marketplace. No. TF.N is competing with the forums over at starwars.com. And since Lucasfilm can't exert direct content control (by banning users or editing posts) over here at TF.N, they have, instead, used a different ploy.

It seems to me that the key issue behind the spoiler policy is maintaining a relationship with Lucasfilm, specifically by trying to avoid displeasing the editors and authors of their print media titles. By that, I mean TF.N doesn't want to piss off Lucasfilm. While I have personally benefitted in the past from the relationship between TF.N and Lucasfilm editors, authors, and artists as facilitated through participation in this online community and though I whole-heartedly agree that we fans should conduct ourselves with respect and propriety towards Lucasfilm "VIPs," I can't decide if I find the current spoiler poilcy particularly "lapdogish" or just plain chicken. I guess the answer boils to to whether this policy was created of TF.N's own volition or if it was requested by Lucasfilm. Either way, I find it pathetic.

In the end, what we have in this spoiler policy, is either an impotent attempt to appease or a ridiculous cower of fear. And I respect neither.

 

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killfire 
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Date Posted: 5/20/06 4:25pm Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines

jedimasterED posted:
In the end, what we have in this spoiler policy, is either an impotent attempt to appease or a ridiculous cower of fear. And I respect neither.


Amen to that.

I'm seriously considering leaving.

 

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Date Posted: 5/20/06 8:52pm Subject: RE: Literature Forum Spoiler Guidelines
If anyone is as disappointed in the direction the Jedi Council's policies have taken of late and is willing to do something in response to it, feel free to send me a PM.

 

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