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CeiranHarmony Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 6/17/06 10:08am Subject: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	NO JACEN SOLO IS A SITH THEORIES IN HERE PLEASE, stay on topic if possible, humor allowed of course I recently reread some Quinlan Vos comics and his psychometric ability to read the past from objects and places sounds and looks very similiar to Jacen Solos flowwalking. Only difference is, Quinlan never changed or set in stone something, he just watched what happened without any interactivity. Can this be the same Force Power, and Jacen just took it to a new level including the possibility of altering the past or future? Or are these different abilities? Also I noticed, Sith Ghosts, long dead, bodies destroyed, often return from the grave to give future sith lords their darth titles (see TOTJ comics for that f.e.). They are interactive, like holocrons, but seem not to be tied to certain places (only sometimes they are! not always). Is this past sith using the flowwalking in the past to interact with the future? or is this some phenomen in the force, that is not tied to Sith using a certain power. Because dead sith should, according to canon, be doomed to eternal madness in the grave. Can we connect all these phenomens and abilities or not? what do you think? -----signature----- www.njoe.com (Govsec Author) "Less is more!" Union In Love with the Star Wars Atlas Dark Horse: Star Wars: Invasion (best idea ever!!!) My life is an Idiots Array, PURE SABBACC
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Darth_Angle Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 6/17/06 10:56am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	Well I know Jacen changed the future but he didn't physically influence it. Raynar saw him an it spurred him on to get himself, Welk and Lomi Plo out of the crash. Quin's power is possibly related to Flowwalking. As for the Dark Lords if we are discounting the "Force Ghost" principal then I suppose this is the only reasonable option left. With the Aing-Tii veiw of the Force it is quite feasible that the Aing-Tii would have had no objection to teaching a Sith or a Jedi. -----signature----- Long Live Anakin Solo !!! Saltergate End of an Era. Dave Allen's Blue and White Army. Rico Out.
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 6/17/06 5:55pm Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	CeiranHarmony posted: NO JACEN SOLO IS A SITH THEORIES IN HERE PLEASE You're gonna have to take that one up with Aaron Allston. Anyway, Quin's power doesn't appear to me to be all that much different from when a Jedi walks into a room or interacts with an object and suddenly gets flashes, through the Force, of a sort of "memory," just that Quin's psychometry is A) native to the Kiffar, and only strengthened by his Force power and B) much more controlled and precise. Flow walking is odd because it's not just vision, it's a sort of Force projection akin to Lumiya's illusions in Betrayal: Jacen isn't really in the ruins of the Tachyon Flier, but Raynar saw him, and Jacen burned his hands and chokes on the smoke. Also, as controlled as Quin's power is, it's still incidental: he touches something, and he sees what he sees. Jacen touches something and exercises his ability to cause his vision/projection to happen. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Darth_Angle Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 6/18/06 3:13am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	I completly forgot about him burning his hand. So possibly he can interact with the period he flow walks to. Also the ability to lock the future in place is quite concerning. Could it be used to set a trap? Flow-walking to a point in time and and locking the subject of the trap to that place and time. -----signature----- Long Live Anakin Solo !!! Saltergate End of an Era. Dave Allen's Blue and White Army. Rico Out.
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 6/18/06 3:20am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	Carrie and Irek, in Children of the Jedi, phased a specially made block into anither dimension by power of the Force. I won't deride that. This is what sci fi is all about. But if it spiderwebs with Jackson's Moonwalking or Sith spiriting, so much the better. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 6/18/06 3:28am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING - Date Edited: 6/18/06 3:31am (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	CeiranHarmony posted: Also I noticed, Sith Ghosts, long dead, bodies destroyed, often return from the grave to give future sith lords their darth titles (see TOTJ comics for that f.e.). They are interactive, like holocrons, but seem not to be tied to certain places (only sometimes they are! not always). Is this past sith using the flowwalking in the past to interact with the future? or is this some phenomen in the force, that is not tied to Sith using a certain power. Because dead sith should, according to canon, be doomed to eternal madness in the grave. I noticed that a while ago too. I've come to quite like the idea that Marka Ragnos flow-walked into the future to declare Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma as Sith Lords. It fits quite nicely with what he says actually; "In my time, even as the Galactic Republic battles us to extinction, we now secure the future, when the Sith will take their revenge." The way he words that "In my time" seems to imply he is actually speaking to Exar and Ulic from the past, not just as a ghost or some recorded prophesised message. Of course, it could still be a message, and he just worded it strangely, as is the whole speech filled with inconsistencies for as far as we know Marka Ragnos never battled the Republic, it was Naga Sadow who did that, but I've still come to think of it as rather neat that the ancient Sith might have known how to flow-walk.
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 6/18/06 3:38am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING - Date Edited: 6/18/06 3:43am (1 edits total) Edited By: Excellence
	Good catch, Falleen. Ragnos did indeed holocomm a millenium in the future. But he was phantomised by the time of Sadow's ill-fated strike. Therefore, he had to have been watching spiritly, and not physically. Case in point, as a spirit in the spirit realm, Nadd could block and counterattack Siosk-Bass's reaching out to Kun easier. Still, when your subjects are still around, it's easy to remain active when spirit-dead. But when you worlds grow desolate, you fade away and slumber. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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Charlii Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/18/06 4:30am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	I would prefer a retcon saying that a Sith spirit needs to "feed" on the life energy of others in order to stay awake. That would explain most of the current controversies about them. /Charlii
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CeiranHarmony Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 6/18/06 10:11am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	Charlii posted: I would prefer a retcon saying that a Sith spirit needs to "feed" on the life energy of others in order to stay awake. That would explain most of the current controversies about them. /Charlii very good point. but, aside from sith spirits, what else can we compare to flowwalking, I am sure there is more^^ maybe in the NJO the Vergere ghost was her past self flowwalking and not her dead spirit ? maybe she can´t forceghost but made it look like she could -----signature----- www.njoe.com (Govsec Author) "Less is more!" Union In Love with the Star Wars Atlas Dark Horse: Star Wars: Invasion (best idea ever!!!) My life is an Idiots Array, PURE SABBACC
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jfostrander Title: Writer: -Leg acy -Republi c/Jedi/Purge Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 6/18/06 10:58am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	Just a point to add about Quin Quin's ability to read objects is one that comes primarily from his being a Kiffar. It was established in his backstory that his people have it although he had it to a higher degree. Possibly because of his Force ability (and I'm not saying that other Jedi can't do it either). -- John -----signature----- writer on SW Legacy among other things Jan Duursema's badassery knows no bounds. I'm making this up as I go.
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Sand_Hill Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 6/18/06 11:58am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	Considering there is no non-Force based magic in SW (AFAIK), the Kiffars must be Force sensitive on some level. So I don't see why a Jedi can't develop the telemetric abilities if they worked on it. -----signature----- "Some things you can't control, if you fear them, then those things will control you" Where are the Dagobah Three?
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 6/18/06 12:04pm Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING - Date Edited: 6/18/06 12:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
	Sounds similar to the idea that all Miralukans have basic Force sight abilities to overcome their blindness, essentially some kind of inherent Force-based skill.
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 6/18/06 5:30pm Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	Sand_Hill posted: Considering there is no non-Force based magic in SW (AFAIK), the Kiffars must be Force sensitive on some level. So I don't see why a Jedi can't develop the telemetric abilities if they worked on it. Exactly. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, Jedi do seem to be able to do this sometimes, it's just not often we see a Jedi do it on purpose. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 6/19/06 1:24am Subject: RE: The Jacen Solo - Quinlan Vos connection: FLOWWALKING
	Why does the Force need to justify psychic readings? You don't need it for telepathy, remember. Kiffar is just a specie's ability. -----signature----- Rock-a-by baby, on the treetop, Beaming with pride, the filth they hold, But when the wind blows, my temper implodes, High above a pit, filled with sharkticons, Down will come hardcover addicts, beaming no more. ©
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