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Date Posted: 6/28/06 10:49am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
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Jedi Merkurian  11661 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 10:54am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties - Date Edited: 6/28/06 10:55am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedi Merkurian
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Except for out of my ears as I ponder the ramifications this has for my RPG campaign tongue

 

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Halagad_Ventor  1278 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 12:14pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Sauron_18 posted:
-Lord Garu was the last to have Adas' holocron. Died around the Great Hyperspace War. Freedon Nadd found teh holocron eventually.
Lord Garu appears in the rpg storyline at the end of the 1st edition to WOTC's Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game.

CeiranHarmony posted:
AABEEEEEEEEEEEEL...

how in the 7 hells of Corellia can you be so genius, my friend?

this is the best thing I´ve read in a long time! I WANT MORE
I'm glad you liked it, CH. If you let the Lucasfilm folks know, it's likely you shall have more.

CeiranHarmony posted:
and I want your end notes for this one as well of course wink
This is a good candidate for endnotes. Gotta finish Grievous.

thoughts I had when reading this thing:

CeiranHarmony posted:
2) Always Sith, which seems to be the new EU direction, implies eternal war.. Star Wars.. so will there never be a "happily ever after"? I hope there will be, because eternal war, though realistic compared to our real world and its troubles, sounds pessimistic. Longer periods of peace are needed in between. or only regional conflicts and not galaxy wide ones.
I posted a reply to this idea earlier. I think the films present us with the happily ever after ending, while the EU takes the "realistic" cyclical war route. Keep in mind that, in one form or another, the Sith view war/struggle as inevitable and even the natural state of affairs.

CeiranHarmony posted:
3) Sith always bad? the article implies that sith are the antiheros always, and leaves out the new evidence from EU (Legacy etc.) that Sith arn´t just evil, though most have been. I missed Darth Vectivus, Vergere and such stuff inside but this will follow in upcoming works, I know I know^^ patience.
Not quite, and the recent discussions on Sith philosophy serve to illuminate this point. Again, war is not necessarily an "evil" thing in the Sith paradigm, and as far as the original Sith species goes, evil doesn't even exist. I think that's very much in line with the views of the new Legacy of the Force views of the Sith.

CeiranHarmony posted:
4) can we get dates for the timeline of events you mentioned? battles, pre-repubic stuff, etc.? pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
I think someone else here already had a crack at this. I'll elaborate on that timeline.

Blader5489 posted:
What does the article say about the Mecrosa Order and the Cleansing of the Nine Houses? Also, does it mention what happened to the remnants of the Krath and the Sith Brotherhood after the Great Sith War?
Lots of new info on the Mecrosa and the Cleansing, particularly how the organization came to be infiltrated by Sith and how they were brought down by the Jedi.

As for the Krath, again, I largely avoided the TOTJ era. If I ever do have a go at it, I'd probably like to incorporate elements from the priceless backpages of the initial printings of Dark Empire.

 

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CeiranHarmony  4498 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 12:38pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties

Abel, the concept of the Sith seeing war as necessary as well to learn, evolve etc. is good, but do they have a goal, a final thing they are seeking? I mean not immortality, but something like balance, harmony for the Jedi. what do the sith intend? do they just want to keep the eternal war/peace circles principle, or do they use it to reach a different goal? if so, what might that be?

I like the ying/yang analogy of them being the reforming part while Jedi are the traditionalists that want to keep things like they are. but there are so many ways to interpret and read star wars and all this that it ultimately depends on the reader/viewer on which interpretation is right or the one one prefers.

there is no ultimate answer it seems.. wich thus returns me to the Potentium:

Sith combine so many views and paths.. like Jedi are more than just one path, one philosophy. they are two groups, two orders... but within both, the same philosophies and traditions can be manifested in use for good, evil.. or something else. there are nihilistic jedi, nihilistic sith, etc. just f.e.

 

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Sauron_18  3595 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 1:08pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
I knew that Was Belia! Since I opened the book to look for an Adas (which there wasn't) I saw here and remembered in another of the sourcebooks her hand looking green grin


That's so frikkin awesome!

 

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Darth_Krayt 
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 1:13pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
A quick question:
How come there is no information of Darth Andeddu? Was he a Sith before Revan or after?
We know the first kid who took the name Darth was Zayne(4 years before Revan did) he called himself Darth Sunshine(Did he killed the entire Sith-race with his smile?) Darth Andeddu wore a Golden Age armor, so that could reffer that he lived in the Naga Sadow-period, or he likes to were retro-clothes.

 

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Blithe  2778 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 1:32pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties - Date Edited: 6/28/06 1:34pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Blithe
Ceiran: Interesting... so in a way, you're saying that the Sith may or may not be exclusively Evil, rather, a group that's more akin to the Jedi — or any other Force-using sect, for that matter — but general mistrust from the Jedi, and the galaxy at a large, or continual Dark Side tapping, prevents them from ever attaining their goal?

Or even something that maybe Darth Traya, perhaps, had a little more insight to?

Well, you've got me interested; and I'm listening. grin

By the way, that was a great article, Abel!

 

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Sauron_18  3595 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 1:37pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties - Date Edited: 6/28/06 2:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Sauron_18
Darth_Krayt posted:
A quick question:
How come there is no information of Darth Andeddu? Was he a Sith before Revan or after?
We know the first kid who took the name Darth was Zayne(4 years before Revan did) he called himself Darth Sunshine(Did he killed the entire Sith-race with his smile?) Darth Andeddu wore a Golden Age armor, so that could reffer that he lived in the Naga Sadow-period, or he likes to were retro-clothes.


We have no idea when Andeddu could have lived. His clothes might give us context if we hadn't seen him in a holocron, but Sith have been known to use "hereditary" clothing for formal occasions (declaration of empire).

And I don't think Zayne took the title as much as used it to "insult" tha Arkanian girl



EDIT: Abel, is the Holocron Odan Urr held in GAOTS Adas' holocron?? (The one which he holds in the "beginning", which is revealed he found in a ship near the end)

 

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CeiranHarmony  4498 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 2:09pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Blithe posted:
Ceiran: Interesting... so in a way, you're saying that the Sith may or may not be exclusively Evil, rather, a group that's more akin to the Jedi — or any other Force-using sect, for that matter — but general mistrust from the Jedi, and the galaxy at a large, or continual Dark Side tapping, prevents them from ever attaining their goal?

Or even something that maybe Darth Traya, perhaps, had a little more insight to?

Well, you've got me interested; and I'm listening. grin

By the way, that was a great article, Abel!


yub you got it right happy

ROTS showed that as well, "Only Sith deal in absolutes" vs. "Only Jedi deal in absolutes"... well sometimes both do, sometimes both do not^^ they are quite alike, and still different at the same time. But they evilize the other.. which leads to war, instead of talks. Jedi mediate and seek a middle path in conflicts of others they help to solve. why can´t they do it with their own problems as well and try to accept and talk with the sith? see mace windu, killing sith is only thing he thought about. why can´t the sith, who are willing to talk, often trying to talk to jedi and to make them see things different, convince them, why can´t these sith listen to the Jedi and use treachery so that one does not believe them even if they speak the truth often?

while Jedi and Sith fight each other... other force cultures develop new areas of force use, like the Whills discovered the ghostthing^^

If they´d work together they´d find immortality, eternal life and protecting loved ones, they´d be able to keep balance and order and reach the goals of both orders. but the shism will not end.. until the Legacy of Anakin Skywalker truly will be revealed. He was both, Jedi and Sith. and he destroyed both orders, and gave rebirth to both of them through his offspring.

With the possibility of people leaving the dark path and returning to the light, and with the hope of not having to kill the "enemy", the galaxy has again hope to end the conflicts. Luke choose not to kill the sith in ROTJ. Vader choose not to kill the Jedi in ROTJ. This was the beginning of understanding. but only 2 individuals learned the lesson.. and it still has to spread, which explains the ongoing warfare post Endor.

Jedi now do not kill the enemy unless it is necessary but listen, talk and try to seduce them back to the light.
Sith do not kill the Jedi but do listen, spy on them and learn from them as well, the potentiumish sith are different from the old ones. likewise the new jedi order is different from the old one.

both are not at the end of the journey.. but they DO advance slowly.

Legacy comics even show us where it will lead to. still it is not finished, but close... Krayts sith are quite special and different, as are the Jedi and neural Imperial Knights, along others...

more later^^

 

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Sauron_18  3595 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 2:13pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
The Sith have at least a set of unique teachings which is what makes them different from any Dark Jedi. Adas' was the one who originally researched all this info, it was his holocron that truly changed the Exiled Dark Jedi into Sith Lords.

 

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Halagad_Ventor  1278 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 2:43pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Kwenn posted:
Was the Sith'ari ever the Chosen One? I think that's fans trying to stretch one prophecy to cover another. Same deal with the Son of the Suns. Neither appear to refer to Anakin. And the Sith'ari, if the prophecy is ever fulfilled, could easily be Revan or Palpatine over Anakin.
Well said, Kwenn.

CeiranHarmony posted:
you should love Vendetta.. it´s beautiful, it´s perfect, it´s true art, metaphoric and naked truth at the same time.
I'm a big fan of V and Alan Moore.

Thanos6 posted:
I'm just trying to figure out what would make a Zeltron go Sith...
Jedi requirements of abstinence?

Rogue_Follower posted:
Breaking stereotypes can be very interesting when its done right. thinking
And there are lots of stereotypes to break in Star Wars.

The2ndQuest posted:
>>Darth Millennial was a three-eyed mutant<<

Ah, so he was perfect. wink
That goes without saying. alien_2

Thanos6 posted:
And maybe it's just me, but Lumiya is quickly vaulting into the ranks of "greatest Sith of all time," say, top ten or so.
No argument. I've always had a scarns-on for Lumiya.

Sauron_18 posted:
Who doesn't like a Lady with a Whip? tongue
A completely reasonable question.

Take care,
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AdmiralWesJanson  4715 posts
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 6:08pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Why is it that a good number of the female villians carry whips? Ghitany, Lumiya, and Tyber Zann's Lieutenant. Tavira had a quirt as well...

 

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Date Posted: 6/28/06 7:35pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
It's said the sci-fi and SMBD communities have a considerable overlap.

 

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Blader5489 
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Date Posted: 6/28/06 8:00pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Halagad_Ventor posted:

As for the Krath, again, I largely avoided the TOTJ era. If I ever do have a go at it, I'd probably like to incorporate elements from the priceless backpages of the initial printings of Dark Empire.


Well I'm certainly not stopping you. peace

 

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Date Posted: 6/28/06 8:58pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Don't forget about Ona Nobis...

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