Author Topic: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Oro_Orbis  158 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 7:15am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Halagad_Ventor posted:
Oro_Orbis posted:
Yeh, I watch all the major ones, inc Stargate - ascension is how the force is right now, what we seem to be talking about is making that 'higher plain' visitable through astral projection - something which Stargate didnt do, and which the force is not currently - that is what I dont like the idea of given that it is such a sci-fi cliche that the GFFA dosent really require.

Frankly it would fundametantally alter Star Wars, turning it into so many other franchises that have higher plains, higher dimentions, afterlife-like mythology, etc. Im not afraid of experimentation, but that requires originality, instead Star Wars would be conforming itself to a more Dungeons and Dragons (et al) type mythos.
Any forseeable "visit" to Chaos on my part would be a highly subjective interpretation, not objective: what Chaos is and if it even "truly" objectively exists is another unanswerable question.

If you've read Traitor, think the meeting between Jacen and the "ghost" of Anakin Solo.


Thats good to know happy But I do still think some things are best left to mystery and speculation happy

On another topic - do you think that there will ever be a novel that deals with a 'Jedi historian', 'Jedi explorer' or 'Jedi archeologist', exploring the ruins, uncharted systems and long forgotton planets of the GFFA? It would certainly be a series that would provide fuel to the continuity lovers - and could be set in a wide variety of eras, such as post-Revan era, post-Kaan era, or post-Palpatine era - at which point the Jedi order would have needed to recover lost secrets. Also, are all the Sith novels like Path of Destruction likely to be set in the 'rule of two' era?

 

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TalonCard  7502 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 9:13am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
>Case in point. Luke had this vision in a dream, didn't he? <

Yes, but the end of the comic also shows two dead characters in the netherworld with Yoda.

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Halagad_Ventor  1278 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 12:33pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties - Date Edited: 7/3/06 12:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Halagad_Ventor
Ulicus posted:
Oh sweet mother of God...

What's worse is that "Darth Ulicus" actually *is* my username on the OS. My only defence is that I was young and stupid and gave into the "Darth" temptation. cry I've been meaning to change it...
laugh

I'm almost afraid to ask, but is Ulicus a made up name?

Oro_Orbis posted:
On another topic - do you think that there will ever be a novel that deals with a 'Jedi historian', 'Jedi explorer' or 'Jedi archeologist', exploring the ruins, uncharted systems and long forgotton planets of the GFFA?
Indiana Jones in space? A novel I'd say is a long shot. Jocasta Nu was a Jedi explorer, though.

Oro_Orbis posted:
Also, are all the Sith novels like Path of Destruction likely to be set in the 'rule of two' era?
I hope not, though technically Path of Destruction is right before, I believe.

TalonCard posted:
Yes, but the end of the comic also shows two dead characters in the netherworld with Yoda.
That's right, heh heh. Become one with the morass of non-identity already you simpletons!

Marvel #92 implied some strange things about the Force. This is the same issue that has a bunch of (presumably) non-Force-strong recurring characters trying to get Jedi training from Luke.

 

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Oro_Orbis  158 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 1:00pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Halagad_Ventor posted:
Oro_Orbis posted:
On another topic - do you think that there will ever be a novel that deals with a 'Jedi historian', 'Jedi explorer' or 'Jedi archeologist', exploring the ruins, uncharted systems and long forgotton planets of the GFFA?
Indiana Jones in space? A novel I'd say is a long shot. Jocasta Nu was a Jedi explorer, though.

Oro_Orbis posted:
Also, are all the Sith novels like Path of Destruction likely to be set in the 'rule of two' era?
I hope not, though technically Path of Destruction is right before, I believe.


I think the Jedi archeologist type thing could be pulled off pretty well, so thats a pity. It would be quite easy to conjure up the sence of awe that one gets when watching some historical docu on a good subject, or 'Raiders of the Lost Arc', with a good dose of mystery creation and continuity exploitation. Add typical Star Wars charecterisation, and voila - a series that isnt life and death galaxy wide crisis, but explores one of the most interesting facets of the Jedi in peacetime. Since you have written continuity orientated articles that capitalised on history well, you would probably be good for the job.

Although Path of Destruction is in Kaan's time, those were the waning days of the multiple Sith - I was thinking something along the lines of KOTOR era - so far only the games and comics have gone that far back.

 

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DarthRotten  956 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 1:03pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Abel,
Love the new article. They should really collect all your articles into a paperback and sell it. I know I would buy it. All that continuity in one easy to page through volume...

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 2:19pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties - Date Edited: 7/3/06 2:20pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ulicus
Halagad_Ventor posted:
laugh

I'm almost afraid to ask, but is Ulicus a made up name?


Well, I "made it up" insofar as I stuck an "us" on the end of "Ulic". I was such a creative ten year old... heh.

But, hey, if you want to create a "Darth Ulicus", don't let me stop you... whistling maybe it was Aleema's pet name for ol' Qel-Droma? Who knows :P

It seems most made up names borrow from other places though - I'm assuming you took "Galahad" and messed about with it? Though from what I've read, Halagad would hardly be the sort to survive Siege Perilous...

Speaking of which, when ARE you going to introduce us to Darth Siege and Darth Perilous? raised_brow

 

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Date Posted: 7/3/06 4:45pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties - Date Edited: 7/3/06 4:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogue_Follower
Actually, Halagad Ventor comes from the old RPG adventure "Domain of Evil." A Jedi from the old Order who was broken and forced to betray his brethren, Halagad wallowed in his despair until he was found on the boggish planet Trinta by a band of nameless heroes. Abel has since taken up his mantle... wink

You're correct that his name is a mishmash of Galahad. (And Ventor is derived from the Latin word for hunter, IIRC.)

 

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Master_Uxi  580 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 6:08pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Halagad_Ventor posted:

Sauron_18 posted:
EDIT: Abel, is the Holocron Odan Urr held in GAOTS Adas' holocron?? (The one which he holds in the "beginning", which is revealed he found in a ship near the end)
No, it's a different one. Adas' was found by the Jedi around the time of the Freedon Nadd Uprising 1000 years later.



Besides which, Exar Kun destroyed the holocron he took from Odan-Urr (which possessed the apprentices who Kun would later turn against their Masters).



Halagad_Ventor posted:

Oro_Orbis posted:
Although the majority of Sith we have encountered in the trilogies and books have as you say, adopted the Dark Side as a means to an end, developing insular tunnel vision akin to a nationalist, or having bad experiences that led to them becoming typical 'control freak' dictators or 'revolutionary' conquerers, is it possible that some of them believed the very execution of the Sith system to be an end itself?
I don't think there's any question, though I think it'd be rare. This is a very intellectual position, and while I think it makes for an interesting Sith character or even Sith sect, I don't think Sith would ever come under this umbrella as a whole. Per the "evil can never die" quote in the article, I think most Sith have the "eternal struggle" motif as their ready fall back position (i.e. a ready justification for themselves and others whenever cornered about the havoc they cause), but I think the position would have honestly motivated only the barest of fractions of Sith. And that's optimistic.




Well I was always fascinated by the ruminations of the TotJ Companion that there may have been "circles" of the ancient (pre-Dark Jedi) Sith along with an implication that some would not have been necessarily of the Dark Side (though IIRC it's explicit that that the Dark Side circles had gained dominance). I know I ran with those ideas in my TotJ RPG campaign in which the players were exploring a shadowy conspiracy/coverup over the Sith Genocide during and following the Great Hyperspace War...

 

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Sauron_18  3595 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 7:22pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Master_Uxi posted:
Besides which, Exar Kun destroyed the holocron he took from Odan-Urr (which possessed the apprentices who Kun would later turn against their Masters).



Right....I forgot that:p

Is the holocron actually seen in "The Freedon Nadd Uprising"?

 

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Halagad_Ventor  1278 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 8:32pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Oro_Orbis posted:
I think the Jedi archeologist type thing could be pulled off pretty well, so thats a pity.
Well, my opinion isn't gospel, just my perception of how the publishing market works. We did get two novels about Jedi medics, though. I agree that it could be a highly entertaining story. A Da Vinci Codesque Star Wars novel, anyone? thinking

Oro_Orbis posted:
Although Path of Destruction is in Kaan's time, those were the waning days of the multiple Sith - I was thinking something along the lines of KOTOR era - so far only the games and comics have gone that far back.
I'd love to see the early Republic cracked wide open.

DarthRotten posted:
Abel,
Love the new article. They should really collect all your articles into a paperback and sell it. I know I would buy it. All that continuity in one easy to page through volume...
Hell, I would buy it. wink

Thanks for the kind words, DarthRotten!

Ulicus posted:
Well, I "made it up" insofar as I stuck an "us" on the end of "Ulic". I was such a creative ten year old... heh.
"You lick us"? doh!

Ulicus posted:
Speaking of which, when ARE you going to introduce us to Darth Siege and Darth Perilous? raised_brow
Right after Darth Rotten.

 

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Sauron_18  3595 posts
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Date Posted: 7/3/06 9:08pm Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
I wonder if we'll ever see a Sith who's name is Just "Darth", no anything afterwards.....

It's possible, I mean, there was a "Carth", maybe the Sith initiated the tradition with his own name...

 

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Halagad_Ventor  1278 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 1:46am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Rogue_Follower posted:
(And Ventor is derived from the Latin word for hunter, IIRC.)
Hmm, I suppose that is possible.

Sauron_18 posted:
Is the holocron actually seen in "The Freedon Nadd Uprising"?
I don't think so, though if it is, I think it'd be in the possession of the character Novar, who has it in the TOTJ Companion.

 

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Date Posted: 7/4/06 3:59am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Halagad_Ventor posted:
Marvel #92 implied some strange things about the Force. This is the same issue that has a bunch of (presumably) non-Force-strong recurring characters trying to get Jedi training from Luke.


Had they come up with the idea of "Force-sensitives" by then? I was pretty sure that until Bantam, it was implied that ANYONE could be a Jedi; some people, like Luke, just had a head start thanks to genes.

(IIRC, Obi-Wan even says something like that to Han on the Falcon in ANH)

 

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Oro_Orbis  158 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 4:07am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
That is how I will always see it.

Mace afterall had hardly any natural force ability but expanded it through skill.

 

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Sauron_18  3595 posts
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Date Posted: 7/4/06 8:26am Subject: RE: Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties
Oro_Orbis posted:
Mace afterall had hardly any natural force ability but expanded it through skill.

All Korunnai are force sensitive.

 

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