QuentinGeorge posted:No, not really. It is the formal name for the second-in-command of a Dark Lord of the Sith. There's a difference. Vader is a Sith apprentice, and Dark Lord of the Sith. While Vader and Sidious lived, Lumiya was intended to be Vader's second-in-command, and hence Shadow Hand. "Sith apprentices" would only be Shadow Hands while there is a sole Dark Lord - as in, Revan's time. In Bane's order, both Sith were Dark Lords, so there was no Shadow Hand. So, in Bane's order, a Shadow Hand can technically be the second-in-command of a second-in-command.
Thrawn McEwok posted:QuentinGeorge posted:No, not really. It is the formal name for the second-in-command of a Dark Lord of the Sith. There's a difference. Vader is a Sith apprentice, and Dark Lord of the Sith. While Vader and Sidious lived, Lumiya was intended to be Vader's second-in-command, and hence Shadow Hand. "Sith apprentices" would only be Shadow Hands while there is a sole Dark Lord - as in, Revan's time. In Bane's order, both Sith were Dark Lords, so there was no Shadow Hand. So, in Bane's order, a Shadow Hand can technically be the second-in-command of a second-in-command. Umm... so how do you explain Darth Millennial, who's a Darth after Ruusan, and described as "Shadow Hand" under a Sith Master called Darth Cognus? Also, some interesting wordplay here: Sith'ari - Overlord of the Sith. Jen'jidai - the name given to the Jedi who discovered the Sith Empire. Jen'ari - Dark Lord Jiaasjen - "integrating the shadow" Saarai - "True Way" Jensaarai - "followers of the True Way" Now it looks as though -'ari means "lord" in the Sith language, and Jen- we would expect to mean "dark", inasmuch as it's used in Jen'ari, and also in Jen'jidai, which presumably means "Dark Jedi". However, Jen- also seems to occur in Jiaasjen, "integrating the shadow", and in Jensaarai, "followers of the Saarai". In Jiaasjen, I'd suggest that Jen means "shadow", while in Jensaarai, it's perhaps idiomatic, implying "followers" in the sense that the Jensaari "stand in the shadow" of the Saarai. Thus, it seems that "dark" and "shadow" can both represent the same Sith word Jen, and the same word is probably used in the Sith terms translated as both "Dark Lord" and "Shadow Hand"; but the differing translation may reflect a difference in idiom: the Shadow Hand (which is actually the older of the two titles) stands in the shadow of his master, as it were... But do I remember a reference somewhere in canon to Vader as Palpatine's "dark hand"? I'm also seeing connections here to the imagery of the Mandalorian battle-songs, which I doubt is entirely deliberate, but which nevertheless seems really cool. On an aside, I suspect that Sith'ari may be the Sith term behind of both "Lord of the Sith" (as opposed to the more generic "Dark Lord of the Sith") and "Sith Master". As a title, it clearly survives at least until the Jedi Exiles show up... So what we seem to have is: Sith'ari: "Lord of the Sith"/"Sith Master" - title borne by earliest Sith leaders, perhaps revived in New Sith Wars? "Shadow Hand" (original unknown) - Sith title for the lieutenant/heir/apprentice of a Sith Master. Jen'ari: "Dark Lord" - generic title for leading Sith, originating with the arrival of the Dark Jedi. Can be borne by both Master and Apprentice. We also have "Dark Lord of the Sith" and "Sith Lord", which I suspect are variations on "Dark Lord". Both are applied to Vader, but I suppose he coudl be considered a Sith'ari... Abel, any chance of a clarification here, or are you just enjoying watching the confusion? And something else that I've not seen mentioned yet: "Empress Ysanne Isard"? - The Imperial Ewok
Kol_Skywalker posted:I found it very interesting in the article where it mentions the ancient Sith race were predominantly left-handed. I wonder if this is a subtle reference to: The Left Hand Path If it is not the intention of the author, it is an amazing cooincidence nontheless, as this real-world philosophy certainly does mesh with the philosophies of the Sith. I suggest everyone check it out, as I would love to have some discussion on this point.
Halagad_Ventor posted: Can this guy be Adas? Maybe. I personally wouldn't link the two since the guy in Tales of the Jedi illo has a lightsaber and I believe the text suggests he's a fallen Jedi, which Adas clearly never was. But then, there's always leeway with illustrations.
DarthMane2 posted:Well I think Abel again deserves his props for another great article. I believe it's time for Abel to take his seat on the throne of continuity.
Oro_Orbis posted:DarthMane2 posted:Well I think Abel again deserves his props for another great article. I believe it's time for Abel to take his seat on the throne of continuity. Seriously, this is nice and everything, but most of the lore-lovers in the community have a grasp of continuity as good.
Halagad_Ventor posted:While the left-handedness of the Sith was a deliberate invokation to all things "not right" associated with it, it wasn't a ref to the Left Hand Path per se. The original Sith species was very specifically set up as anti- or (better yet) pre-dichotomatic. More later. Abel